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    M17x r3 485m gpu

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by KillerBunny, Mar 4, 2011.

  1. KillerBunny

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    Has anyone asked thewiz? I will, even though im a complete noob with this stuff if nobody has yet

    EDIT:Nvm
     
  2. DARCODER

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    As soon as you have time LVNeptune, can you upload an tutorial or what we need to mod on the heatsink for replacing the gtx460m by the 485?? It will be very helpful for me ( and maybe others) because i will receive the gtx485m in these days coming^^.
     
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    Is RJTECH the cheapest? Getting ready to buy one just want to make sure :)
     
  4. MrButterBiscuits

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    RJtech is pretty much one of the only resellers right now, I'd wait for dell to do it though, that way bios are gauranteed and it will be cheaper. prob around 500 or so
     
  5. LVNeptune

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    No but will do that now :)
     
  6. LVNeptune

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    This is BULL! Big BULL!

    http://blog.bagearon.com/?p=38

    Tried that on account of Mythlogic's recommendation. When I installed that INF and rebooted I got a NEW PROMPT THAT SAYS:

    [​IMG]

    Select 3D setup... "This laptop's panel is not compatible" =/
     
  7. dioxcyde

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    Have you or anyone else tried to contact an engineer at NVidia for some insight? mby its a long shot but just an idea. I may give them a call myself in the morning just to see if they have any added information to offer.
     
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    This inf file may work if the author is contacted and given a description of the problem, nvidia need to scrap this checking feature and leave it to the user to decide although there may be licence restrictions either now or in the future which could be why they are taking this approach
     
  10. dioxcyde

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    /FACEPALM LOL....well there goes a bit of respect I had for Nvidia

    I almost couldn't believe I just read that
     
  11. dioxcyde

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    I'm going to go on the forums now and bump it with a post, I would love to get a 485 working with 3D in my system when it arrives.

    LVNeptune what kind of modifications did you have to do on the Heatsink to get the card to fit properly in your system?
     
  12. LVNeptune

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    It was pretty basic just was difficult at the time. The GPU retention bracket must be removed carefull and switched over from the 460M to 485M so the screws will fit. Also recommend using the thermal pads the new heatsink came with but that's on you, I didn't. Make sure you download HWINFO32 to manually set the fan speed because the system can't set the fan speed properly itself, it seems.

    Also you will need to remove the black coating on the heatsink, it's a plastic that comes off to expose more copper, fits over the 485M perfect.
     
  13. Geoffxx

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    on the blog you will see a reply from a Nvidia Manager

    quote Hi Brad

    I am the product manager for 3DTV Play at NVIDIA.

    Rather than have you need to do this EDID override tool, you can contact me and send me your EDID and I will ensure we properly recognize your EDID. I put in my email address on the blog posting comments, so please send me an email.

    Thanks.

    I'm going to add that to my Nvidia forum thread to see if the forum numpty can waken up a bit.
     
  14. LVNeptune

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    No need...That is the same guy in the forum thread...It's AndrewF :)
     
  15. dioxcyde

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    Read your comment on the Nvidia forums and I would just say that I wouldn't be too hard on them just yet over on the Nvidia forums. They probably didn't realize the issue existed or that people would be so eager to spend almost $1000 extra to upgrade. So lets give them a chance to resolve this for us but in the meantime I don't think its a terrible Idea to get people in there requesting it, the more that jump in and support us the more likely we are to see results quicker, if at all.
     
  16. Geoffxx

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    ooops lol, sent him a pm


    I don't want to here comments like hacking etc, this thread may be exposed to some high level Nvidia people soon, may I recommend you remove the hacking comment for your own integrety

    can you provide the contact details of the Nvidia Manager in charge of the 3DTV division

    thanks
     
  17. Geoffxx

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    the hacking comment sort of pissed me off.

    yeh and just as we are getting results Dell will release the card as an upgrade with custom bios lol
     
  18. dioxcyde

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    lol you may be right about the results, but yeah I understand. It would be some major crap if we started getting blamed for "hacking" when all we are trying to do is support Nvidia and use the best product they offer for our systems.
     
  19. katalin_2003

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    Don't worry guys, it's not the first time and not the last that we're trying to get a card to work in a system that wasn't released with.
    Probably he misunderstood the situation, i suggest somebody take his time to properly explain him.
     
  20. LVNeptune

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    Which one? And that would mean we need to snip these comments as well :)

    Also OT but EXTREMELY COOL! Convert 2D TV into 3D tv, may be a work around for people who have 2D 1080p TV's that output 60hz: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=197126 it's kinda related since it will allow 3D on your laptop, again, to some extent :)
     
  21. Geoffxx

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    What is the EDID or exact model number and identity of the R3 LCD Panel

    you should be able to get the info from Device manager - monitors - properties - details and use the drop down menu for all the info stored for this device.




    Also that guy Brad on the blog seems to be well tuned into this stuff, perhaps he can shed some light on this
     
  22. katalin_2003

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    Use HwInfo32 and look under monitor.
     
  23. dioxcyde

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    that link just goes to our 485m discussion on the Nvidia forums
     
  24. LVNeptune

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    Whoops, fixed.

    Also display doesn't show EDID in device management or HWINFO32.
     
  25. katalin_2003

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  26. Geoffxx

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    make and model ??
     
  27. LVNeptune

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    Monitor Name: LG Philips [Unknown Model: LGD02C5)
     
  28. LVNeptune

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    Actually, I am making a new thread for that product, it relates 100% to the M17x as it converts 60/120hz screens into 3D-Capable screens...What's that? We have HDMI-In? We now have 3D over HDMI-In. MUAHAHAH! Epic, new topic starting on that now!
     
  29. Geoffxx

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    you mean 3D works on the 485 when you connect something to hdmi in ?
     
  30. LVNeptune

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    No, unrelated, device will allow the *SCREEN* to output a 3D image from the source. Made a separate topic that should clarify.

    If anyone else has any ideas for this specific issue here let me know, else we wait for Dell & NVIDIA to respond. Mythlogic tried his best but is stumped as well.
     
  31. vads24

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    Hey man stop hacking into Nvidia cards will ya!!! Its bad for business and your health ;) ;) ;)
     
  32. vads24

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    This is truly hillarious......he gobsmacked me when I spoke of the vbios .....Here he is now....asking the same and I hop you friend in that thread enlightened you......

    Peace....Mr. Egoistic.

    PS. LV Neptune...there never been a moment where I picked on someone without that person being brash to me 1st. I don't like to argue for argument's sake, contrarily, I make a stand for logical deduction with a good amount or rationalisation and a hint of pragmatism.

    A person who is knowledgeable or has the capacity to analyse and deduct would focus on the matter at hand. If you do have the time, read my posts since you started this thread. I am just a regular user who likes to learn new stuff. I dont boast about what my experience is etc.

    I know Geoffxx always seemed to be in the know how, and I know his knowledge may be full of IT or tech stuff. But you know what? for a person who has come to the same conclusion after 50 plus threads , he does indeed bleep a lot.

    When I sounded " I told you so earlier" It was never meant for anybody else but him. Because he is not a person who takes views that may be to his disadvantage well.

    As for you project, when Nvidia means panel they mean proper panels like 3DTv etc.. That is why it works on a display or HDMI to external 3D display. You cannot compare an external 3DTv or panel display to a small time 3D panel manufacture specially for Dell. If at all it has to be either intimated to Nvidia by Dell or by LG the manufacturer.

    If you get Nvidia to do it, power to you. But I doubt Nvidia would do something to put Dell warranties at risk. Thats clashing with Dell's interest. So hang on tight to your sweet GPU, and when the GPU hits R3 from Dell you can dump the Vbios from that card. Otherwise you simply have to decided which way you would like to go.

    The only reason you were able to use the card and light up the display is because Dell had inserted only simple differentiation method between Nvidia with 120hz and without. If you had Nvidia you had green light for 120Hz panel or 60Hz . If Ati its a no go for 120Hz and green for 60Hz. So you were lucky there.

    However now you dealing with whats within the GPU and how its vbios interacts with the system bios or the emitter or the 120 Hz panel. Unless you can have a person who knows their way around bios coding, I doubt you would get anywher to 3d with the inbuilt screen.

    However you just never know ur luck..some Nvidia dude might help you individually...but I can assure it wont happen at an official Nvidia level as your friend Geoffxx is hoping for.

    I dont suppose for all his talk, he has bought a 485m card himself right? .....Well buddy that says alot doesnt it? Blaming everyone but his choices..



    ..BUT I do agree at times its best to ignore....I keep that in mind.
     
  33. Cloudfire

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    Geofxx, what were you hoping to get in return with this comment at Nvidia forum:

    "I'm a bit pissed at Nvidia right now, I have been a loyal fan for years and have spent huge amounts of money on Nvidia product and always advised others to do likewise, right now that loyalty is coming under question"

    Seriously, Andrew from Nvidia said he would look in to it. No need to spew out comments like this. And i completely understand what he was saying:
    "Hi
    I will investigate but we engineer 3D to work with the exact HW the OEM has selected. I know its possible that you can add in a new GPU, but all of work to make it work with 460m likely doesnt work. "
     
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    Seems like I should a wait a little longer before investing into 3D. :(
     
  35. Geoffxx

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    This is truly hillarious......he gobsmacked me when I spoke of the vbios .....Here he is now....asking the same and I hop you friend in that thread enlightened you......

    you made a bland one liner (told you so type comment)

    I am looking to other members experiences with this in order to gauge whether or not it is even an issue here, if you have technical reasons to support that it has then produce them or be quiet while we continue to pursue the answers, you are not helping this thread with your personal level exchanges.
     
  36. Geoffxx

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    that is exactly how I feel as do many others, way too much red tape around this 3D, "all of the work to make it work" speaks loads to me, you have people spending large amounts of money on 3D enabled TV's etc only to find they are not supported by Nvidia ??? and having individuals writting workaround inf files to get around it, hardly a well implemented program on Nvidias side.
     
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    I guess what i am saying is that you can`t expect Nvidia to make support for additionally GPUs than what the system was meant for. I bet there is a whole lot of work to implement and optimize 3D support for 4-5 cards instead of 460M. Shure it would be great if they made such a system, but i guess there are probably reason why they have not.

    Bottom line, if you want to buy a GPU that is not supported by OEMs or Nvidia for that certain laptop, you are on your own. You cannot expect them to make new drivers etc just because you decided to go your own way. Hence why i think that comment to Nvidia is wrong..
    You can make discussions on their forums, but i don`t think threatening them does any good to your case.

    That first comment from Nvidia dude was funny as hell though. "You hacked in a new GPU" lol lol :D
     
  38. KillerBunny

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    Please stop the troll/spam war. Not really necessary.
     
  39. Geoffxx

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    I am not threatening anyone, I am telling Nvidia as a customer for many years how i feel, as for why the lcd panel does not work in 3D with the 485 GPU - well the solution could be as simple as adding the device info to an inf or Dll file, at this point nobody has any clue why it doesn't work, we have taken this as far as we can go without someone either at Dell or Nvidia at least providing us with that answer, whether they feel in a position to actually fix it is another story, I'd be happy enough at this point just understanding why the internal 3D capable 120hz lcd panel is not working and why it says not supported. I admit this is a very early technology as far as 3D laptops go and as more and more become mainstream these issues will most likely be addressed with future native drivers, not sure of exact dates etc but I believe laptops with 3D capable internal lcds have only been around a few months hence why yhe 485m works in 3D on external devices, I don't think we are doing any harm drawing Nvidias attention to the matter, perhaps the next driver they release will have support for the 485m and laptop lcd 120hz panels......who knows
     
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    If R3 had 485M to begin with, support for 3D would have been made. That is my whole point.
     
  41. Geoffxx

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    I believe the reason the 485m was not an option was simply because it's not long on the market, remember when R3 first came out there was no option for the 6970, it stands to reason that the 485m will indeed be next, then we will have 2x Nvidia cards and 2x ATI cards with similar upgrade factors


    I would dearly love to get this resolved for LVNetune and the few others that have spent considerable $$$$ on these cards.
     
  42. chewietobbacca

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    I feel for all the early adopters hoping to slide in the 485M... hopefully things are resolved, but this isn't the first time I've seen Nvidia burn people in the notebook sector

    That doesn't make any logical sense. You say the 485M was not an option because it simply wasn't long on the market, then say the 6970 wasn't an option for the R3 at release, but now you say the 485M is next?

    The 6970M wasn't on the market on ANY notebook at R3's release - the 485M already was. Fast forward 2 months, and the 485M still isn't on the R3 but the 6970M is on the R3 and is now on Sagers/Clevos.... but still no 485M. Why do you think the sudden change?

    For all we know, Nvidia is trying to push as many 460M's out the door as they can, and make a profit off the additional costs for 3D, and has no interest in bringing the expensive-to-produce 485M
     
  43. katalin_2003

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    Sadly this is just not the way things work. The m17x R1 had 2 nVidia options and only one ATi option. The R2 had 2 Ati options (one of them GDDR5) and only one nVidia option (still with GDDR3).

    This is also false, it's up to Dell to build a vBIOS for it and fit it in the R3 in the first place if they ever planned on doing so, nVidia didn't build your R3.
     
  44. chewietobbacca

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    No I meant they'd rather push out the plentiful 460M for those who want to adopt 3D than push out the 485M which probably wasn't in big supply anyways, and isn't a product Dell sees sticking around for a long time (hence it's not worth the additional time and $$ to support additional GPUs for 3D)
     
  45. katalin_2003

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    I'll have to agree on that,sadly.
     
  46. Geoffxx

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    my understanding is that the 485m is Nvidia's flagship 3D laptop GPU, I really don't understand where either of you are coming from, the R3 comes in 2 distinct formats, 3D and none 3D, currently the 2x ATI cards are none 3D the 6970 being ATI's flagship high performer, currently there is only one Nvidia offering and as yet no flagship 485m for the 3D configuration, maybe it's just me but I see a huge gap there waiting to be filled.

    and why don't you see the 485m sticking around ??? if anything it will be around a lot longer than the 460m, as for making money, the price difference for offering 3D is probably mostly in the extra cost for the LCD 120hz panel, the other bits would be supplied by Nvidia no matter which card Dell installed
     
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    You still dont get it do you....for God's sake open your eyes! will ya.....Why would Nvidia put device info or R3's info into all their drivers...when R3 is the only one using this particular panel and its CURRENTLY meant for 460m.

    R3 is not not some premium 3D Plasma TV for Nvidia to do that. R3's 3D screen is just a specific screen for R3, manufactured for R3 and was never meant to work with every GPU that can output 3D content.

    LOOK AROUND, other laptop manufacturers who are using 485m meant it for external 3DTV...

    Nvidia is doing their job right. There is nothing wrong with Nvidia. You are the one who bought a system which is currently supported for one particular GPU. Its your problem, and if at all it bugs you, its your mistake. Dont go blaming Dell or Alienware or Nvidia.

    If they do eventually support ...eat your heart out ...otherwise live with what you bought knowingly. No one gave you a false information on 485m and its compatibility. ITS COMMON SENSE MAN and are You are smart enough to have plenty of that. I respect your over arching zest to make things exciting, but its obvious this is more of a personal crusade for you....

    Print this in your mind....R3's 3D panel ain't some Samsung or Sony 3D TV...its just a panel from LG with 120Hz to make 3D content viewable. Nothing more , nothing else.

    And Nvidia aint gonna hack its drivers to make all 3D GPUs compatible with R3...just so that you can " Hack any Nvidia GPU " into your R3.

    Nobody in this forum is having a smile just because 485m is still incompatible with R3's panel. If it works, hurray!, if not boooooo hoooo! Thank God LV Neptune has deep pockets for experimentation....Kudos to him.
     
  48. katalin_2003

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    It's only past experience, there were these "gaps" before with previous revisions that they were not filled officially ever.
    I also didn't say it will not or will be available, personally i would love to but for now it's speculation so no need to go there.
     
  49. dioxcyde

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    Nvidia is trying to work with us to get a solution, so lets just give them a bit and see what they say.

    check for updates here

    Alienware R3 3D laptop - NVIDIA Forums
     
  50. DARCODER

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    Thats great :) Thank you Nvidia for taking some of your time for us :)
     
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