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    *OFFICIAL* Alienware 17 and M17x Benchmark Thread - Part 4

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by BatBoy, Mar 11, 2011.

  1. long2905

    long2905 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Are we really going to do this again? At the time it is agreed that AMD scores should be submitted with tesselation off in order to get close to what nvidia cards can achieve.
     
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    You guys are not doing this any more, are you?
     
  4. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    u really agreed on that? sounds like cheating if u ask me :rolleyes:

    Sent from my GT-I9001 using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    That's why I asked, LOL. Allowing AMD owners to turn off tessellation would be cheating as far as benchmark competition is concerned. It makes it appear the GPU is able to perform better than it is actually capable of performing, and the benchmark results would be useless as far as comparing them to NVIDIA is concerned. They would only be useful for comparing against other AMD GPUs being run with tessellation disabled.
     
  6. bigtonyman

    bigtonyman Desktop Powa!!!

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    I've always run with tess on just cause I'm to lazy to change it. :p
     
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    nah it was during the last top end generation. It won't make a difference now since the GTX 680M is in an entirely different world of its own.
     
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    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    where can i get the 12.7 drivers at? and anyone give me a guide to install?
     
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    Decided to share some 7970M OC session with yoo, guys. I managed to bump the clocks to 1000/1500 on stock voltage 24/7 STABLE. THE MAX GPU TEMP was 68C so far, simply amazing job by AW. Sry, some games (used the one with build in benchmarks) are in Russan but i guess everything is understandable:

    3DMark 11

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    3DMark Vantage

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    Unigine Heaven 3.0

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    Dirt Showdown in game settings: Ultra, FullHD, 4xMSAA, Vsync OFF

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    Batman Arkham City

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    Metro 2033

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    Sleeping Dogs

    Overclocked: GPU 980/1450

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  17. Kingpinzero

    Kingpinzero ROUND ONE,FIGHT! You Win!

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    Impressive, but u have to explain me something.

    could you check if in Dirt shodown u have global illumination and advanced illumination turned both on?

    Because when u have both on, fps takes a huge hit. Its the same on desktop 7970. So unless you're running the game not patched (v1.0, since v1.1 on steam implemented both features) something is wrong.
     
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    the game has the latest version with patch 1 installed. advanced illumination is on (as i understand it's the 2nd setting from the bottom) and global illumination is off. hope that helped)

    yeah, i've heard it severely shaved the results before the patch, but now everything runs fine
     
  20. Kingpinzero

    Kingpinzero ROUND ONE,FIGHT! You Win!

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    Ok thanks :)
    That's what I was expecting, I have my card OCed at 920/1500 due to some hardware problem (hopefully ill get the replacement on Monday) and I get 6 fps less than you.
    I was worried I had some problems but it's fine seems.
    I can score 114fps in batman bench with same settings as yours, too bad in game the lag is unbearable unless you switch to dx9.
    Thanks again :)
     
  21. lastshady

    lastshady Notebook Consultant

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    hi guys :rolleyes:
    when i look at this gpu score i see that the 7970m scores with 3920xm
    +4k more in GPU SCORE than a 7970m with just a 3610qm.

    my r2 has the 920xm@3,2ghz and i wanted to go 7970 xfire but im a bit worried about 920xm getting a bottleneck.
    What do you think?
     
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    your cpu is for sure the bottleneck....
     
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    didnt slick mention somewhere that even tho the 12.5 beta lets u OC higher, the 12.7 beta are actually better in the end cuz the GPU utilization is higher and gives u better overall fps in games?
     
  24. GeoCake

    GeoCake http://ted.ph

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    The XM CPU seems to grant the extra 4k. I know of another user with a similar score: AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M17xR4 score: P27782 3DMarks

    Furthermore, Vantage does not utilize tessellation, so it cannot be that (the CCC tess option will not make any difference).

    AMD Catalyst 12.x (8.982.0.0 RC1 July 19) Unofficial BETA - Guru3D.com Forums

    These new leaked drivers (future August release) are now the best for gaming.
     
  25. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    I'm on to something regarding the GTX 680m. I had A05 which allowed overclocking etc but it also overutilised GPU boost in a bad way ie throttling when OC'd. I flashed back to A02 (not A04) and I still have overclocking using a custom vbios plus I've managed to turn GPU boost off completely and can run constant clocks without throttling etc. That's right The Beaver is back! Stay tuned.
     
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    Hello

    how much is your metro 2033 Benchmark Average fps result (with gtx680m and 7970m) ?

    (with latest driver and 1920x1080 DirectX 11 / very high AAA 4xAF (disable Physics and enable Tessellation enable depth of field) Setting , also without OC and with OC )

    Thank you
     
  28. robininni

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    Okay, just got my m17x today with 680m. I haven't done anything to it. Just downloaded some futuremark programs. Here's my first run on 3dmark 2011.

    3dMark11

    6287. That's really good, right?

    Here's the 3dMark06 score: 3dMark06

    24757 on that one.
     
  29. sadegh1993

    sadegh1993 Notebook Guru

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    could anybody help ?

    Thank you
     
  30. robininni

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    Okay so here's the tally of all the benchmarks I have run so far, all without changing anything in the benchmarks (all free versions) and all without changing anything to my recently received m17xR4:

    3dMarkVantage: P22126
    3dMarkVantage (overclocked): P25162
    3dMark11: P6287
    3dMark11 (overclocked): P6738
    3dMark06: 24757
    3dMark05: 31411
    3dMark03: 74208
     
  31. robininni

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    Please post your score and your overclocks if any. Please ONLY post 3dmark11.

    My best is P6817

    That's with +135 GPU overclock and +500 memory overclock
     
  32. GeoCake

    GeoCake http://ted.ph

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    It's a shame that the 7970M overvolt only grants 20-30Mhz extra?

    Whereas 680M goes way higher.. Top scores will be in the 9k area
     
  33. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    The GTX 680m has problems with OC unfortunately. Might have to invest in a MSI card to verify whether it is a card/vbios issue or a problem with the slot.
     
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    @widezu - so there is no modded bios for 680 that works for AW yet?

    Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk 2
     
  35. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    There are and they all present with the same issue.
     
  36. Eldaren

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    I can confirm this. I've tried like 4 different Vbios' and all have the same issue. It's really quite annoying. I'm curious to see if the MSI Vbios will work on the Dell 680m....
     
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    It will not, please don't attempt to do it.
    Dell uses a custom pcb which isn't a reference 680m like MSI and clevo, both comes with 4gb of VRAM instead of 2.
    Flashing the MSI vbios on a dell card results in a brick, and any attempt to blind flash is not successful.
     
  38. Shipwreck79

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    I can confirm that in the M17x, the 680m starts to downclock sporadically to about 230 MHz if clocked beyond about 850 MHz. It seems to be stress related, since it occurs most frequently in 3DM11 much less often in unigine Heaven. I do not think it's heat related though, since temps appear to be fine.
     
  39. rockaholik

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    So the dell 680m is not on par with other 680m s when it comes to overclocking? Super....
     
  40. jaybee83

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    weird, here i thought that part of the modded vbios was preventing the clocks from jumping all over the place?besides, didnt hackness and that whats his name asian dude crossflash vbioses as well on their cards? (msi and clevo)

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  41. widezu69

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    MSI and Clevo are similar. Both have interchangeable vbioses. I got some courage and tried the MSI vbios on my Dell card...(cliffhanger)
     
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    For me the fluctuations when overclocked on custom Vbios only occur during 3dmark 11. Gaming is otherwise unaffected. I suppose I can live with that, we just won't have crazy high 3dmark scores.
     
  43. widezu69

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    Nope MSI/Clevo vbioses won't work. Able to boot but startup into Windows it just hangs. I guess for those who want ultra fast benchscores, go for MSI or Clevo :)
     
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    Hello

    how much is your metro 2033 Benchmark Average fps result (with gtx 680m) ?

    (with latest driver and 1920x1080 DirectX 11 / very high AAA 4xAF (disable Physics and enable Tessellation disable depth of field) Setting , also without OC and with OC )

    please help

    Thank you
     
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    So have all you 680m guys tried different vbios' ? Sorry, i'm just getting back from vacation and i'm totally out of the loop.

    So from reading the last few pages, regardless what vbios and system bios installed, the top OC on the AW 680m is 850mhz? No uber 8200 3dmark11 scores on the alienwares?
     
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    You can overclock it just as high as the MSI/Clevo's but it will throttle.... It's really quite annoying. I feel like I should have gotten the Clevo instead...
     
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    Hi Slick, hope the holiday was good. Yes the GTX 680m's in the Dells have a new level of gimping that literally allows no OC. Clocks will fluctuate no matter what clocks for me varying depending on the amount of stress. I'm testing vbioses for people looking to solve this. Stay tuned.
     
  48. Quagmire LXIX

    Quagmire LXIX Have Laptop, Will Travel!

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    So much for hindsight = 20/20, seems like I already had 20/20 a couple months ago.
     
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    I guess if you paid $2500+ for a laptop to run benchmarks all day, you should be upset. However, after running a few to find out your general performance level, what's the point? I overclocked mine, got a 6800ish 3dmark11 score, and now I am just playing games (not even overclocked). It works fine. If it throttles in the benchmarks (and games), it means that it doesn't need to run at full blast to accomplish the task at an acceptable level, right? Sounds to me like the card/programming is 'smart', however I can see this being annoying if you want the highest numbers on an academic benchmark. In real world usage, it works great. :)

    All this talk about vBIOS flashing definitely falls under the umbrella of 'jacking around'. It's unnecessary and will likely cause problems for many.
     
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    So, right at this second the Dell GTX680M is inferior? Why the heck would they bother getting a gimped card? :!
     
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