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    *OFFICIAL* M17x Benchmark Thread - Part 3

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by BatBoy, Jan 30, 2010.

  1. lewdvig

    lewdvig Notebook Virtuoso

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    I switched to Vista and now Bioshock 2 runs like garbage. I had a solid 60 fps before. Now I get 40. Anyone else playing this game?
     
  2. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    Even I wanted to, I couldn't. too much flickering on the R2's.
     
  3. Johnksss

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    4 complete cores
    20,516 cpu
    [​IMG]
    3 complete cores
    15,257 cpu
    [​IMG]

    over clocked to 3.857ghz or x29
    [​IMG]


    and yes the i7-920xm appears to be just like a i7-975/i7-965 extreme so the numbers are the same.
     
  4. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Happy B-day!

    Disable one card and run the test again. I wonder if the CPU score will go up and if you will still get flickering.

    Here is the CPU test alone.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Docsteel

    Docsteel Vast Alien Conspiracy

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    Seriously, why don't you guys at least enjoy running on one card? That's still a good setup for games .... :confused:
     
  6. Johnksss

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    was hoping he would run that before he passed out....

    hummmmm
    ask that question again....after march 3 2010.. :)
     
  7. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    so the gpu is draining the extra power for the cpu so when the it's time for the cpu to respond it just craps out?
     
  8. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    Either Mandrake has a B-day today or he is still asleep and he should have typed " Happy V-Day ".

    Still the same score running.

    [​IMG]

    Guys, when I am running single card, I get flickerings. Even surfing the internet, or just typing posts. This is ridiculous.
     
  9. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    That's what I'm thinking. Need a way to test it to prove it. Another thing that is different is the chipset.

    Based on previous posts it looked like you said it was your birthday yesterday.

    If you get flickering on one card yours is worse than mine. I have no idea how you would have hit 20K+ in 06 with flickering dragging you down.
     
  10. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    kekekke ... It will be my B-day in June 25 :p

    When I was hitting 20K+ was before I did a fresh install of Windows 7. You remembered when I said I didn't get much flickering? Thats why I asked if you knew how to restore the system from a fresh install.
     
  11. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    The i7 920xm model is i7-950. It's the baby of the desktop version.
     
  12. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    So you never were able to re-spawn it back?

    I have a 720 in my M17x right now. Don't know if it's worth testing.
     
  13. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    Yeah, never respawned. So I am dreading till I get the replacement.
     
  14. deltaone45

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    test in mandrake i wanna see what kinda scores it gets! :)
     
  15. 5150Joker

    5150Joker Tech|Inferno

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    The 920xm draws so much power that combined with RGB LED + dual 4870s, the PSU simply runs out of juice and the system has to throttle the CPU at some point to prevent it from haulting. The new bios raises the throttle limit to where 99.9% of people won't see any flickering/throttling but there's always that .1% like Mandrake that will probably push the CPU/GPU to the limit and see some throttling. The 5870 xfire will do a lot in helping relieve this since they draw less power. That alone might compel me to sell my 4870s and grab those.
     
  16. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    Joker,

    I'm actually getting flickering just running a single card. And all I am doing is browsing the internet and posting here on NBR. It's something else.

    I only found out just now cause Mandrake told me to do s single card run. And the flickering is worst.
     
  17. 5150Joker

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    Well hopefully the new bios solves it for you. I'm on a single card right now and it's not flickering at all. BTW guys the reason our CPU scores aren't going up with overclocking is because they are being throttled! I ran throtlestop + logging turned on and here's what I found: http://www.sendspace.com/file/or9wg7

    My CPU does run hot though, I'd say 80C with 5% bios OC + overvolting + evga eleet (x26 mult). I've read about Intel adding throttling to their CPU's should they reach 80C and other Clevo owners with 920xm's have experienced the same phenomenon. Right now I'm uncertain whether this is a Dell bios restriction or the CPU itself due to the 80C threshold.

    Clevo reference threads:

    1. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5883291&postcount=2099
    2. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5883327&postcount=2100
     
  18. 5150Joker

    5150Joker Tech|Inferno

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    My newest vantage run: [​IMG]

    Mandrake, are you gonna add my score to the first page? ;) BTW I've contacted unclewebb about the cpu throttling to see if he can help us out with a revised throttlestop.
     
  19. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    Great score joker !! I guess you tied up with me.
     
  20. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    yes I will update.
     
  21. Mandrake

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    Have I missed anyone else besides joker?
     
  22. 5150Joker

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    Default voltage on the 5870 is 1.15. I thought it was supposed to save power, lol.
     
  24. 5150Joker

    5150Joker Tech|Inferno

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    Hah really? Well that might explain why they are so hot. BTW I had someone run vantage on an i820 on the M15x, take a look at this, its quite depressing:

    http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/jubbing/mark1.png

    That destroys my 920xm score..what the heck is going on here? I fired off an email to nagshead to let him know.
     
  25. Mandrake

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    That's easier to explain. They have a nVidia card with physx enabled. It will bloat the CPU score.
     
  26. 5150Joker

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    It shouldn't boost it by 10k though...or should it? I don't remember my i820 scores being so bloated.
     
  27. Mandrake

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    A 920 will hit 35K with physx.
     
  28. 5150Joker

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    What about the fact that you were hitting 20k+ on the 920xm with the G73? Something is not working as it should.

    Edit: Got a reply from unclewebb. He thinks it could simply be the Intel throttling scheme for turbo mode and not be anything related to the dell bios. What were your 920xm temps drake?
     
  29. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    That is unexplainable. I suspect something with the power settings. With the G73 I can raise the power limits.

    If not that then the different chipset.
     
  30. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    I think the new AW laptop that will be coming out will have a complete revision all together.

    The R1 and R2 reminds me of nVidia GPU scheme.
     
  31. Johnksss

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    can you pull out one of your cards ren?

    and the other thing...

    can you set the qpi to 133 mhz and not 140 mhz...that might be why your score is different as well. or keep it at 133.
    even with flickering...you cpu scores should get higher marks
     
  32. 5150Joker

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    Here's my temps with a vantage run and slight mult OC:

    [​IMG]

    Looks like the CPU drops turbo mode to the smallest mult during stress testing. Could be related to the fact that my core0 hits 82C. I'm going to remove the panel and see if that helps.
     
  33. Johnksss

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    or turn off turbo boost and run a higher multiplier and see if that helps to compensate....

    so far what jumps out is the qpi difference between the two laptops.
    the asus is 133 while the aw is 140.....wonder why?
     
  34. 5150Joker

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    AW is only 140 when you use the 5% OC option in the bios. Otherwise it's 133 like Asus. The temps for the 920xm are not good. I was running 10C cooler w/an i820 in the Defiant (M15x) and that was with prime 95 stressing it.
     
  35. Johnksss

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    hummmmmmm..that's not good...
    joker...in your aresnal of pictures..do you have any looking like this..with the test in motion?
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  36. Mandrake

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    That goes back to the power limits of the system. The exact same thing happens with the G73 but when I raise the power limits all four cores go full blast.
     
  37. 5150Joker

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    I think this "power limit" feature on the G73 just bypasses the Intel throttling protection for Turbo mode. I wish AW had built in a feature like that.
     
  38. Mandrake

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    Yes exactly.
     
  39. Johnksss

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    there is someone around here who can get past that...they did it on a clevo if im not mistaken. they altered the acpi tables to bypass the early throttle detection....not sure how well that would go over here....
     
  40. The Revelator

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    You had CPU scores of 15,426 (completely stock) and 16,483 (5% BIOS overclock only), both before the revised BIOS. What's happening??
     
  41. cookinwitdiesel

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    The fact that the 5870s has 1.15V on the GPU does not mean it will draw more power. The advances in power saving are in less current being drawn, not less voltage being used. They could use less voltage if they wanted but would have to sacrifice clock speed to do so. The fact that the stock voltage of the 5870 is 1.15 where the 4870 is 1.10 makes it even less impressive really.....

    I have heard that the chipset is the G73 is the PM55 and the HM55....which is it? To me it sounds like the huge difference in CPU performance is absolutely a BIOS issue
     
  42. dondadah88

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    i believe the chipset for the g73 is a hm55...
     
  43. Zero989

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    correct....
     
  44. 5150Joker

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    G73 is HM55 but it has nothing to do with the chipset. It's all about the bios and getting around the Intel throttling protection. Just to put the final nail in the proverbial coffin, evga eleet is useless for the R2. This was with the bios 5% OC enabled, as you can see evga eleet does jack for turbo mode OC'ing:

    [​IMG]
     
  45. Johnksss

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    man, you know the resize police are going to come in here and delete that....lol
    looks like your turbo is broke as well..notice you dont see not even one core at x25. and that's what the 5% thing is for..for pushing one core to 3.2 ghz.
    so something is wrong.
     
  46. 5150Joker

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    I don't think it's broken in as much that the intel throttling scheme is just prohibiting turbo mode from going above a certain level due to temps. Asus G73 has that bypass built into the bios, that's what we need but I doubt we'll ever get it.
     
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    well that really sucks then!!

    ok, what about this....
    i see you have right mark installed. does it work?
    to see the actual throttle work..the cpu will drop in speed as was posted in one of the earlier links you posted. do you see that at 80C and below?

    do you have a copy of the bios they installed on your machine?
     
  48. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    that's the million dollar question everyone is dying to know. :)
     
  49. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    The recovery discs are intellectual property so downloading/sharing discussion isn't allowed here. You can do that via PM if you wish.

    Thanks.
     
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    cant stress that enough.
    make a back up copy of the original partition set and never delete the restore partition....
     
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