Just got my 880M twins!

Thank you for your kindhearted response person dear sir. I never met you before and you already know that what I say means nothing just by a few simple post on an internet thread. Way to go I wanted to be compassionate and you come up with this. Thanks a lot Thumbs up(y)

 

Indeed, a very nice display. I've admired it on NewEgg a few times. Also very expensive... about the same price as buying a 980M GPU. I'd like to have a couple of them, but it would not make much sense for me at this point. When I reach the point of completely abandoning hope for anything worth owning in high performance laptops and have no good option left except for going back to desktops, this is probably what I will end up with for a dual display setup unless they invent something better between now and then.

 

I'm getting same results. Check witcher3 wild hunt thread in this forum. Tessellation kills Kepler but if you disable it then 980 is not very much faster.
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NVidia also messed up driver for Kepler as you can see on geforce forums, tons of threads

 

Kepler is just inferior at tessellation but it doesn't matter, if you are disabling features to boost your frame rate you have made an apples to oranges comparison and all data you supply is invalid.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941.html

That article came out last year. Again, you guys need to face the facts. Maxwell is superior to Kepler and you can not overcome that.

 

Let's just wait for the driver that Nvidia is supposed to release for the Kepler gpus. The Kepler GPUs were intentionally crippled by NVIDIA to promote the maxwell GPUs. If my framerates are more or less the same, I will agree that the maxwell GPus are faster than Kepler. For now, it is just a stupid comparison as you are all basically comparing a working maxwell GPU to a crippled Kepler GPU ahahahahahahahah

 

I never said that Kepler is same as maxwell. What the hell ? I'm saying that maxwell is not that superfine as you think because it's only much faster when using tessellation and I nearly always disable it as it does not gives big results but eats much GPU power. Even with tessalationw3 is playable on ultra settings with hw disabled and bugged foliage distance set to normal. I said it before to check my w3 thread so you would have answers for your questions before you asked. Settings with tessalation . Check the geforce forums before answering please. Section 600/700

When I will leave the hospital I will post 3dmark results so stop hating people.

 

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I get 40-45fps when playing the Witcher 3 with everything set to ultra except hairworks disable and am just waiting for the driver Nvidia is supposed to release. Our kepler GPUs are bugged as **** for this game because of Nvidia so as to promote the maxwell gpus. I could upgrade if i want too but i can't justify wasting 1000USD as of yet when my 880ms perform as intended.

 

No, it's actually much faster pretty much everywhere. Benchmarks are one thing, but their memory optimizations show up in cuda benchmarks for it, and benchmarks matching core to core always show up as maxwell being quite a bit stronger. There was even a guy who managed to OC a 970M so far that he hit stock 780M SLI in benchmarks. I can tell you without a doubt that is impossible on a single 780M.

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9230750

 

I think that we can all agree though that regardless of how much better Maxwell is at tesselation that nVidia really ham-handedly approached the entire situation with Kepler vs Maxwell in terms of Witcher 3. I mean, AMD cards are actually out-performing Kepler cards, and the AMD cards are much lower priced and their name is not splashed across all of the games sponsorship materials.

 

I don't really think it can be fixed unless nVidia sets the driver to disable tessellation regardless of user settings. Maxwell is just much better at tessellation than Kepler is. Disabling tessellation gives Kepler and Maxwell 1.0 a huge performance boost but not so much for Maxwell 2.0 because of the upgraded tessellation engine.

 

It's ironic considering Nvidia's past performances with adding in unnecessary tesselation workload.

 

Yeah I had to dig up the white paper.



The review sites mentioned the upgraded engine but didn't really explain it but the white paper does which means that nVidia is just pulling a fast one promising to "fix" Kepler performance in TW3.

 

Hi @Ethrem. It's not the tessellation effects that makes the witcher 3 unplayable for the Kepler cards but the sheer amount of bugs that causes serious fps drops as explained by Nvidia themselves. Maybe it's a ruse from Nvidia to push people to buy the Maxwell GPU's or just a mistake. I will also verify my 3dmark results as I am a bit stuck with university at the moment. Just so you know, I got on average 63fps on MONSTER HUNTER ONLINE BENCHMARK which is just testing Nvidia GAMEWORKS performance. I compared it to someone who has a gtx 980ms SLi and there was only a 10fps difference. So why is there such a big difference for the Witcher 3 in particular?

 

@PC GAMER see post 239 http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...levo-mobile-gpus.772018/page-24#post-10013207

 

@PC GAMER So I just ran that benchmark...

Ranked mode with throttling 353 series drivers.

Spoiler

Now I don't know about you... but 124.8FPS average... and beating 98% of the systems who have run the test... while using broken drivers... Sounds a lot higher than 63FPS.

And as I included my GPU-Z, you can clearly see my card is not overclocked.

Oh yeah, just in case you were talking about 1080p instead of the actual ranked test

Spoiler

87.1 is a significant boost from 63FPS. Approximately 38% as a matter of fact.

 

I got 24567 points for ranked mode but yeah your normal benchmark scores are high. I remember having bad throttling issue that day. I will probably run the test again with a slight overclock and pray to god for no throttling. I will upload an image afterwards.

 

I forgot to mention that PhysX was set to my CPU which is a 4710mq while yours is a 4940mx. This is probably why your scores are a little bit higher.

 

Nice try. That benchmark isn't a heavy hitter on the CPU. I also have my CPU locked to 47W TDP rather than its normal 57W because I wanted my system fans to be quieter.

There's no point in bothering to do any of this if you are going to overclock your GPU. The goal is a direct comparison of stock vs stock.

And I thought you didn't have throttling problems? That your vbios didn't throttle? Wasn't that what started this whole thing? Now you've admitted that your cards do, in fact, throttle!

 

You got me @Ethrem, the 880M do throttle and sometimes it makes me want to kill myself . But I can say that the gtx 880m suffers no problem in actual games and in fact are acing it. As a matter of fact, I am looking to flash the VBIOS @GodlikeRU has currently. Apparently it's stock VBIOS but it does not throttle that much I will probably run the benchmark before and after and upload the images. I'll probably set the PhysX to my 2nd 880m

 

And the gtx880m Trottle more if he overclock the graphic card


@PC GAMER I advise you to run 3Dmark11 before you flash new vbios. Then you can compare with the results you get after new vbios.

 

@Papusan @Ethrem To be honest with you guys, I want to cry so hard till my hurts turn red because the 880ms are capable of so much more but am pretty sure the throttling issue won't go away even on a different VBIOS. Imma have to try and download a few VBIOS so that I can test them and report back on the performance afterwards. :'(

 

All the writing and First now you understand what we told you earlier in the tread. You can't fix crippled hardware....

 

I had 4 of those cards (two pairs) and I tried every vbios I got my hands on. The only real fix was svl7 and Johnksss' vbios mod. The problem though is how high the temperatures went. Load temps when using AA with full boost clocks were between 90 and 92C which was just insane. What I ended up doing was dropping the clocks to 850MHz @ 0.887v basically turning them into a card inbetween the 780M and the 880M but with no more thermal or throttle issues. With those settings, my fans didn't even kick up because it never hit the 87C point that kicked them into high gear.

 

I really want to test the VBIOS from svl7 and Johnksss' just to unleash their full potential and then revert back as soon as I can or stay with it and change the thermal paste every 2 weeks

 

But you can with modified VBIOS so as to unleash their full potential albeit making the cards melt but you know "T'was worth it". It's a meme by the way, check it out

 

The most you can really hope for is as Brother Ethrem and many have said many pages ago. To remove the throttling you'll have 2 little hairdryers inside your machine.. But the throttling will be gone. Maybe try liquid ultra to rein in the temps.
The 880m's were a big disappointment to us all, especially after seeing some decent-ish kind of results from brother Johnksss from his early QS sample.
I'd sell the lemons and use the money to grab some 780m's for little difference or 980m's if you don't mind troubleshooting some.

 

I was thinking of upgrading to the 980ms as you said cause everything is sorted out concerning the AW18 upgrade to the 980m SLi but I just can't justify spending 1000USD as of yet if the 880ms actually boost in games and perform admirably. I can still flash a new VBIOS for number crunching as the 880ms 3dmark results with johnksss' VBIOS are amazing.

 

I will keep you all updated so

 

You think you can buy 2x gtx980m for 1000 USD ? LOL
Try to use Liquid ultra on your graphic as @TBoneSan told you.

 

Please @Papusan don't make me kill myself. How much are they now (*Heavy Breathing*) better be a bit cheap. I will definitely have to use liquid ultra if I am to unlock their full potential without melting them. There is so much errors that could occur, it's frightening just to think of it. First, brick the cards because of wrong flashing, Not properly applying the thermal paste , third, the cards melt from too much overclocking I guess I am pretty much stuck in every angle I look, ohhh well better cry now

 

PC Gamer, you're all over the place with your views. First you say that your latest vBIOS has fixed the 880Ms, then you won't prove that they're fixed by answering our simple questions with a link to a 3DMark score (discussions over numerous pages), then you say you will never buy 980M because 880M is good enough, then you say your 880Ms aren't fixed & do throttle, then you say you want to buy 980M, all while double/triple/quadruple posting without multi quote when asked numerous times not to do so. You're not genuine in my eyes, you're bored and are a bit of a wind up merchant - that's my assessment. We didn't even need the last who knows how many pages in this thread - it's just a waste.

 

Yea 2x 980m would cost like 1600 bucks it sucks. I don't upgrade laptop GPUs its just. Not. Worth. It.

 

The 970M with a good overclock on a modified vBIOS is worth it, depending on what GPU you're coming from. 670MX bought for £230 with an 87% overclock was worth it for me back in 2013 when I upgraded from 560M - £230 for 2.9 times the GPU performance, that's worth it (comparing with overclocked 560M too)! Can be worth, just have to have an upgradeable system & choose the right GPU.

 

Totally is, I should have said if you are upgrading from two previous gen top of the line cards to two current gen ones, totally situational

 

If I had an sli 780M laptop (and 880M sli laptop if I could make it behave adequately!), then I wouldn't be upgrading to 980M sli. I'd wait for the next generation, although problem then becomes whether they will then be compatible with your system. But for most games you don't need 980M sli, except Witcher 3, or if you want to hit 120fps on a 120Hz screen.

 

I am sorry @Robbo99999 for my frequent jumps in emotions but no I am not what you just mentioned. I am a university student, that's all mate. All of this is new to me so. You are right @Splintah you don't need to upgrade if you have the last gen GPU which you do (880ms sli) . I'll surely upgrade to the 1000 series just need to wait for the specs. The 980m sli is fully functional on the AW18 now according to @Mr. Fox so there's that. @Ethrem @Robbo99999 all then benchmarks I have listed a few posts back and the ones I did were done with a +65 MHz over lock but guess what? It throttled so much it stayed at 954 MH basically all the time and sometimes went straight to 771 MHz so yeah the throttle is real and the results were with clock or should I say below clock speed. @Robbo99999 i will verify my 3dmark result once I get a bit of time for myself. Stuck with uni I want to unleash the 880ms true power but I don't know which VBIOS to choose, slv7, Johnson or the one GodlikeRU has. I just drool when thinking what performance I could squeeze out of them if they decided to work properly. @Robbo99999 once again just to clarify any misunderstanding, I am genuine just a noobish uni student promise you. Will also validate my results for you and @Ethrem as well promise you both

 

Score P11977 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M(2x) and Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0 @

Graphics Score
15865

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9866812

Drivers 353.xx without kepler performance fix - would be higher score. Still waiting for nvidia patch.

Sorry for unrecognized CPU, it's i7-2920XM ES

Any more questions or proofs, claims?

 

Compare 3DMark 11 - Side-by-Side... 880M vs 7970M vs 780M (dual GPU) <- compare graphics scores. These runs are with little or no overclocking involved (780M stock, 880M and 7970M with a minor OC).

Things don't get interesting until you start overclocking them. At low clock speeds it's a fairly close race. With more substantial overclocking, 7970M fails miserably and 780M annihilates both of them.

That is much better than I expected to see. Your vBIOS and GPUs are working better than any other 880M SLI I have seen before. +Rep

 

Hey,

I published these scores because some "users" were requesting for a proof that 880M runs games like Witcher 3 without throttling. Score would be higher but im still using 353 driver but it was to show that there's no throttling so it doesn't matter.

Regards

 

Well, it doesn't really matter anymore, because all the back & forth was about trying to find out if you had a magic vBIOS that prevented the 880M throttling problem (which you said you had - the magic vBIOS) - as it turns out from your most recent statements you don't have that magic vBIOS. We already know how svl7's 880M performs, and it doesn't perform flawlessly on the 880M, it still has some weird throttling issues when overclocked with the latest (later) drivers, so we're not really gonna learn anything new there.

GodlikeRU's vBIOS seems more interesting though from what Mr. Fox said about your good scores. Maybe there's more to be learned from GodlikeRU's vBIOS. Like does that one throttle at all on stock clocks, does it throttle at all when overclocked? I might expect it to throttle when overclocked due to knocking up against the stock power limits within the vBIOS. Thinking out loud, GodlikRU's vBIOS may be a good candidate for modification by svl7 - perhaps that would result in some proper performance when overclocked like the 780M.

EDIT: @GodlikeRU, if you wanted to try and get your vBIOS modified by svl7 you could maybe try to put together a pack of evidence showing how good it is: ie graphs showing stable 993Mhz clocks (when not overclocked), benchmark scores, overclocked graphs showing stable clocks at perhaps higher than 993Mhz, benchmark scores of overclocks. I don't know if svl7 would be willing to modify it, but if he's interested in it and thinks yours is a good canditate, then it will increase the chances of him doing so I think. Here's where you request the vBIOS:
http://forum.techinferno.com/genera...s-vbios-modification-request-thread-svl7.html
and here's where there's a general thread about his Kepler modified vBIOS:
http://forum.techinferno.com/genera...-editions-modified-clocks-voltage-tweaks.html

 

I have modified vBIOS to stay at 780M clocks. I set it using MSI afterburner to 928 MHz boost and it seems to work in Witcher 3. Honestly after this whole mess with unsoldering vBIOS chip and reprogramming it because of old svl7 vbios I would be grateful if someone else would like to try svl7 vBIOS. I think you understand me.

EDIT:: vBIOS from my signature is complete stock 954 MHz . Only I have modified version to stay at 780M clocks but 954MHz worked fine.

 

Haha, right, I don't blame you for not wanting to try another one! Well, if someone else is interested in flashing your vBIOS, testing it, providing all that package of evidence I talked about in my last post to svl7 with no guarantee of getting it modified - then they can go ahead with that. That's not selling it too well though!

 

Margin of error... My cards right at release vs his

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/9866812/3dm11/8351154

Either way, I'm glad he finally came clean.

Honestly @PC GAMER I would just drop the clocks.

 

If he set his GPU to 850/5000 then OC'd to 928 but his score was almost flush with a 780M, then it means the OC didn't set. It was basically a 850/5000 run as far as all things are considered.

Don't hate me for this @GodlikeRU but could you use a driver you consider non-throttling and use your vBIOS without the clocks being modified to sit at 780M clocks? That'd give us the most perfect example of how your 880Ms would run. If your 880Ms beat the 780M SLI score handily (as it should, if working correctly) then you indeed would have a pretty good vBIOS that could be worked on. Most 880M vBIOSes refuse to keep stock clocks in the benchmarks, you see. In gaming it's another story. Ethrem had an average of ~920MHz on his slave card most of the time in games as far as I remember, so the 928MHz you OC'd to should make sense for games like the witcher etc, hear-permitting.

Note: I understand I'm asking a lot of hassle from you, and I totally understand if you don't wish to go through the trouble just for a benchmark or two.

 

My stock cards averaged 950MHz in games with its dynamic throttling garbage. nVidia tried to design the cards so that they would throttle to keep temps in line without much impact on the user experience... Well they failed miserably on the implementation. They fixed that in Maxwell.

 

Here are a few 3Dmark11 benchmark tests done with gtx780m sli and a small overclock on the core (906/1250). This is a lower clock speed than what is on a stock Gtx880m. Still with a much better graphics scores than a higher clocked gtx880m. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9028851 Graphics Score 17,771
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8300850 Graphics Score 17826

 

Hey you don't have to convince me lmao

 

Can someone tell me the perfect VBIOS to have cause this is driving me mad. My 880ms don't even run at their designed base clock speed very often but my scores are good, now imagine with a good VBIOS that unleashes it's true potential. Can someone tell me if their 880ms worked at 770MHz too. It does that even if I overclock them, actually it throttles more To everyone I discussed with before, I apologise if I made it seem that the VBIOS my 880ms are working with is "Gloden" cause it's far from it. I just want to unleash the true potential of my 880ms but they just don't want too @GodlikeRU, can you send me like a video on how to safely install your VBIOS thanks a lot.

 

This was more intended as a comparison. This was not meant to convince YOU . You know for sure who in this thread, these results are intended for