Just got my 880M twins!

Only responded cuz you quoted me

@PC GAMER that's worse throttle than I ever had... Worst clock drop I had that wasn't a bug from a driver crash was like... 850? Except for when I was playing with the modded vbios and hit 95C and they went straight to 405.

 

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I know, am here and still searching for a good VBIOS. Fortunately, the hot fix from NVIDIA proved to be a real boost(353.00) will post my results as soon as I can

 

Here is a 3Dmark11 test you can compete with... Mildly overclocked Gtx780m with the same clock speed as your gtx880m (boost clock at 993 and stock 1250 Memory clock). http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8605053
And no more nonsense from now on. Just run the benchmark tests and be done with it.

 

Got ya will upload it sometime this afternoon

 

Hey,

I understand You, no problem. As for the clocks in benchmark. It seems that 353 driver has fixed "Adaptive" power management. Even if I try to force "Maximum performance" it still overclocks or downclocks dependent of what is going on the screen. It works really good in Witcher 3 as it stays 928 MHz nearly all the time (my CPU is not a bottleneck so GPUs are pushing full power 50-60fps) so it's on boost outside and downclocks only if I enter some buildings as it needs to render not that much but for benchmark is not a good thing as for example submarine is coming near then gpu using "adaptive" PM downclocks as the submarine covers most of the rendering area. I could force clock on 350.12 driver but 353 seems bugged as nvidia announced that it is surely bugged and fix is coming. It varies from 770 to 850 MHz on Adaptive PM.

 

Thanks @GodlikeRU, it's good to know what benefits the 353.00 brings as I am going to update it later today also can't wait to use DSR(so excited). I want to get rid of the throttling issue completely though so I can taste the full power that my 880ms has to offer so can you sort of direct me on how to safely flash your VBIOS? Thanks a lot. cheers

 

I believe that functionality is intentional. My Maxwell cards do it too. Right now I'm looking at TW2 with all the bells and whistles except Ubersampling and my 1226MHz cards are running at 1037 and 1025, respectively. That's with the older 347.88 driver and adaptive PM disabled. It is only doing it because I have the frame rate locked with vsync. It would be full 1226MHz (and 87 instead of 59C) if I didn't have vsync on.

 

Ok i've managed to install @Mr. Fox 345 driver and forced clocks to 954MHz. If benchmark is forcing full power to the both cards then "POWER LIMIT 1 " appears in the msi afterburner but clocks are no lower than about 870 MHz. Never lower. It overclocks or downclocks dependendt of what's going on on the screen. Or is this intentioned? I don't know. Looks like we need svl7 mod to enable power limit on this bios so we can overlock these gpus and force clocks. Maybe there's no power limit but only this adaptive PM as said before.

EDIT::

If i force 994 MHz then it's from 890 - 994 MHz clock

 

Hey @Ethrem , can you play the witcher 2 with ubersampling on and everything else set to max. I played the game and got on average 50fps. It's also one of the rare games my 880ms stayed at a constant 993MHz and I have a ton of games. The 880ms can't seem to stay at a constant 954MHz on the witcher 3 though but I did not test the hotfix so I am hoping for a performance increase. Will come back with a 3dmark firestrike result later on today

 

OK guys I've opened my vBIOS with Kepler Bios Tweaker it looks like that:



As for me I see power limit at 117W. I could change it to 150W and you could try it. Anyone wants to try it? SLI users please so you could reflash the card if something goes wrong.


EDIT:: If someone wants to try I can send it but to be safest I think we should contact svl7. Can @Mr. Fox contact him because he's a more recognizable person?

 

Yes I can run Ubersampling very well. I don't dip below 60fps. I just don't use it because turning off that one feature drops my temps from 87C (and subsequently thermal throttles) with auto fans and 82C with max fans all the way down to 59C with auto fans. Considering the max fans in this machine shoot the noise to 70dB I'd rather disable a feature that doesn't even really generate that much noticeable detail for me than be stuck with high fans.

I've edited a million of those. It doesn't matter what you set that to, its going to throttle because there is another power limit that has to be removed by hex editing which is what svl7 did to make his vbios mod.

 

Ah i see. So I think we should ask @Mr. Fox to contact svl7 and try hex-mod on this vBIOS.

Uploaded both vBIOS.
- BIOS is stock from my cards
- BIOS780Mclocks is stock from my cards but modified to stay at 780M clocks. I use it.

What's good in this vBIOS? It never downclocks more than about 80-100 MHz even if power limit is reached with 994 MHz clocks. Never 400 MHz and any crap like that.

 

I haven't seen much of @svl7 lately. Last I heard he took a vacation.

 

Hmmm, that's bad. Did he told anyone where to look for this power limit? I could try to mod it.

 

but svl7 activity is
Last Activity
05-24-2015 05:41 AM

EDIT::

He even did a post 3 days ago. Ok I'll wait for @Mr. Fox. Installing 352 driver and playing witcher 3 in meantime.

 

@johnksss knows how to mod. Prema does too but I don't think he will mess with the 880M.

Could be that he's taking an extended vacation from BIOS modding... lol

 

Ah ok. Im too "small" person to ask them for anything so I'll leave it to @Mr. Fox if he would like to even improve the 880M situation.

 

(Ah, I hadn't noticed that in Mr. Fox's side by side comparison of 780M vs GodlikeRU's 880M - in that case looks like the vBIOS is not that special after all).

 

As far as I know old vBIOS throttled to 400 MHz after some gaming and this never does that. Don't know if it's "special" but it's enough for me to play without trouble.

 

While it may be bugged, that's actually what it's supposed to do. Forcing "max performance" only forces base clocks (using my 780Ms as a reference). Your memory OCs will always take place, but the cards' design is that if the power isn't there it won't clock up. I had that problem in BF4 when I tried OCing my 780Ms for better performance (turns out it was a CPU bottleneck in the end) my cards would sit at 850/6000 when I had them set to 1006/6000. When my CPU allowed it and a GPU bottleneck switched over, I noticed my GPUs clocked up to 954, then to 1006 depending on what was on-screen. But they never went below 850.

That's why I had asked if you could use the BIOS without the modification to set your base clocks to 850, as it screws with the system. The cards think their default clocks are low, so in benchmarks (where they usually throttle regardless of TDP) they wouldn't keep any OC you set, no matter what you did. You can ask Ethrem about THAT particular bit of nastiness.

 

Ah i see. It may be a problem with the type of overclock I do through MSI afterburner as stock vBIOS has different clocks. You may be right, so ignore everything I told before.

As you know im too scared to flash any vBIOS to my GPUs at the moment and would like to ask someone else to do it. This vBIOS is from nvidia so no risk (but i have bad memories) . Uploded both versions before. If someone would like to flash it I would be grateful as this person could fix whole 880M mess.

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Yeah Im thinking about this 70-80 MHz downclocking and yes you are RIGHT. If it would throttle then It'll be to 500-400 MHz not jut 70-80. That's because MSI afterburner overclock

@D2 Ultima Bottle of vodka to You:

 

If you're scared to flash, how'd you manage to get a modified version of your stock vBIOS to sit at 850/5000 flashed to your cards? O_O

 

That was last flash I did after svl7

Opened my stock vBIOS, changed clocks to 780M. Got a beer and flashed it.

 

Thanks @Ethrem , when there is a lot happening, it will tend to sit at an average of 50fps no less than 45fps but when it is a bit light, it tend to be 60-65fps which is pretty good. I think, the witcher 2 is more demanding than witcher 3 but that's just my opinion. Anyways @Ethrem , I have only one think to say and I think that applies to all 880ms owner, THE THROTTLE IS REAL GUYS o_o. I am still trying to build my confidence level so as to flash @GodlikeRU's modded VBIOS. I will posts the 3dmark firestrike results later in the evening so keep an eye out for it I will also test 3dmark 11 @Papusan and post it as well. I think I am going to purchase them so it will be easier for me to post the validated results

 

353.00 has all kinds of problems for me with 780M. About half the time my machine freezes a few seconds after Windows logon using that driver, in addition to the core and memory dropping to 400MHz after a few seconds of being fully loaded. After having it installed, I have to run DDU in Safe Mode twice with the option to shut down/install new video card or I cannot get into Windows again due to hard freezing. And, it's not HWiNFO64, AIDA64 or EVGA Precision X startup, because I tried disabling them and it still hard freezes until after the second run of DDU in Safe Mode.

I heard from @svl7 a few days ago. He is doing well overall, but is very busy with business travel. He has very little personal time right now. I have asked him to mod the vBIOS from @GodlikeRU when he has time. He does not respond to private messages for such requests, and this is not the community he serves. There is a special thread at Tech|Inferno for this type of request and that is the only place you will receive assistance in most cases. If has time to get to this for us, I will make it available in that special thread for vBIOS mod requests, unless he hosts it there. We do not redistribute @svl7 vBIOS mods in this community.

 

Did you try a fresh windows re-install of win 7 without using UEFI at all and it still does this? I'd still like to find out if it's BIOS conflicts that are doing these with drivers. It still makes me tilt my head and raise one eyebrow that most problematic drivers on AW work fine on yours (and my) clevo.

 

I did not reinstall Windows 7 or 8, but I did change the BIOS to Legacy (ran a Windows repair so the OS would boot using BCD instead of Boot Manager). I also tried with the stock vBIOS and the publicly available @svl7 vBIOS and the all of the behaviors are exactly the same. I think there is something in the system BIOS causing issues with NVIDIA cancer drivers, and whatever that issue is seems very similar to the throttling malfunction with 980M. The thing that gets me is the "WHY NOW?" part of the deal. I mean, everything has worked flawlessly for the M18xR2 until the release of Maxwell, and now that they are focusing all of their energy on drivers for Maxwell GPUs everything turns to crap. I don't know what to think of this. Nothing has changed with the end-of-life M18xR2 Über-beast. So, I can't blame Dell/Alienware for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. The only thing that has changed is products from the stupid retards at NVIDIA. It may be the Clevos that have Kepler GPUs that do not malfunction that are the rare exception here rather than my Alienware, because people rocking Kepler desktops are having a lot of grief as well. And, things are not all sunshine and roses for Clevo owners either... some of them are having issues. This does not make me feel better, but miserly does love company.

This may also explain why there was no Maxwell refresh with a Ranger 2.0 or Viking 2.0. If something NVIDIA has done with Maxwell firmware and drivers refuses to play nice with InsydeH20 BIOS, that's a problem.

Not only is this behavior with my 780M cards throttling with all drivers after 345.20 similar to 980M behavior in the M18xR2, it's also similar to 880M behavior in all machines, which has never really been fixed for anyone. So yeah, nasty finger points to NVIDIA... not going to blame Dell/Alienware for the incompetence of the Jolly Green Giant. He needs to start taking Viagra or something, because he's losing his mojo.

 

I know the driver mod j95 does helps but doesn't totally fix the issues with the 980m throttling in the M18x R2 but I'm wondering if a similar fix is possible for the 780M and 880M...? @j95

You are entitled to you opinion but here is mine The Witcher 3 is much more demanding then The Witcher 2
Here is why, 980M playing The Witcher 2 at max settings (1080P with ubersampling on etc) gets 25-40fps
980M playing The Witcher 3 at ultra settings (4k, because ubersampling=4K) gets 22fps on average and that is with hair works off which is generally a 20-25% performance hit on Nvidia cards.

@PC GAMER You can purchase Firestike and 3DMark 11 if you want, BUT that will not help you post valid scores, you can post perfectly valid scores with the free versions. However if you use "unapproved" drivers you will always get invalid score regardless if you have bought the 3Dmark products or not.

 

Using drivers that Futuremark has not tested and added their driver database does not make the results any less accurate. In fact, the benchmark results are still accepted by HWBOT.org if the unapproved driver version is the only flag. Disabling tessellation (considered a cheat with false results) on AMD cards, the Windows 8.X.X time measurement (RTC) errors and those types of errors do completely invalidate the results because the benchmark scores are no longer an accurate measurement that can be compared to systems without errors or cheats. So, no need to burn any calories over the driver version being flagged... doesn't matter and the results are still accurate.

 

Thanks a lot @kenny27 . That's true, the witcher 3 is immensely beautiful and I personally think it's a masterpiece both in terms of graphics and gameplay wise but I want to know one thing, I generally play the witcher 3 at maxed out settings with hairowrks disabled but I never saw any ubersampling option like in witcher 2? Should I download a mod to be able to toggle it on? Thanks

 

I did not experience any of this with 352.86 (I don't run brutal Overclock like you). Can I experience the same kind of errors with hotfix 353.00 that you have experienced? I am thinking especially of the errors that are highlighted in your post... Did you experience this with high or low Overclock of the graphics card ? Or applies this problems especially for sli or Awr2?

 

To enable "ubersampling" in witcher 3 you will have to enable Downsampling in the Nvidia control panel this site goes over it, or try and get the DSR option to show-up in the 3D settings tab, I haven't tried it yet but I have heard that the newest drivers enable this feature, one day when I get around to installing them...

 

That nonsense was happening totally stock clocks, simply trying to load Windows at log-on.

 

Then it's worse than I thought. I think skipping the hotfix driver waiting for a new one. Perhaps the new one will be even worse. LoL. The same on all AW18?

 

That was with my M18xR2. The M18xR2 is still my primary system. I use it and my P570WM all the time. I do not use the Alienware 18 or M18xR1 very often because both of them have only one 780M GPU installed. I let my grandson play games on them once in a while, but that's about it.

 

You should download newest patches and ensure that you have newest version. Ubersampling is not worth the performance if you are thinking about it. Nearly no difference in image but very demanding for GPU.

 

Hey fellas, I ran 3dmark earlier on today and used NVidia inspector to overclock my GPUs as it works best. It was my first time using it so it was fairly new to me. I noticed that for each of my GPUs, there were 4 drop down options (Performance[0,1,2,3]. I messed with the Performance[1] as it said base clock which was set to 324MHz. I cranked it to the max option which was 624MHz as I though it wouldn't go below 624MHz, my AW froze 2 times. The first time, the screen turned black and I had to do a hard reset (hold power off for a few seconds till it turn off) and then turned it back on. I decided to go with a lower value of 364MHz but my screen turned purple this time (it matched with my alienfx too ) and turned off and then on by itself. I decided to leave this option alone and went on to the other 3 options. I set the GPUs to run at 984MHz and the memory to 1245MHz and ran 3dmark. I got a firestrike graphics score of 12141. I noticed that it ran at 954Mhz most of the time (via MSI Afterburner overlay) and even dips to 600MHz when running the combined test which resulted in a lower value than normal (15.4fps). I will upload a verified score once I get a high enough score(gotta play more with NVIDIA Inspector and delete EVGA Precision).

A new psot regarding the performance fix for kepler GPUs in not only the Witcher 3 but all across the board Link: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-upcoming-kepler-fix-increase-performance-games/
According to the notebookcheck.com, average fps difference between one 880m and one 980m in the witcher 3 is only 13.9fps.

 

@PC GAMER
Dude, you've grossly misread the graphs.
It says according to notebookcheck

980m 61.4 fps @ 1080p
vs
880m 34.2 fps @ 1080p

That's practically a doubling as expected.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Witcher-3-Notebook-Benchmarks.143187.0.html

 

Test without tessalation on ultra please

 

The weird screen issues you're having is because you're overclocking the desktop 2D performance states, you just want to be overclocking the P0 Performance States which for my GPU are shown as "Performance Level [2] - (P0)" in NVidia Inspector. Your P0 state may be show a different "Performance Level" value in NVidia Inspector for your 980M, but you want to be overclocking just the (P0) state, those are the 3D clocks used for gaming.

 

I think that what I said was correct, at 1080p ultra graphics and post processing (the reddish purple colour) the 980m gets 36.2 25 minimum while the 880m gets 18.7 14 minimum.

Thanks a lot @Robbo99999 . Needless to say, I was scared ****less I don'to know how I am going to open my 18 up with if I am scared that easily. I guess you can't have everything in life. I am pretty impress thoughthat at 984 not even it's full boost speed, my 880ms get 12141. Imagine all the possibilities with a truly unlocked VBIOS. I will for sure try it one more time and put the validated score in my signature

 

That difference in minimum frame rate is huge by itself but you take the average, not the minimum, to see how the game performs overall.

 

36.2 vs 18.7 fps. This is a significant difference whether the game is playable or not. Playable at 36 but not 18. LoL

 

I think we shouldn't forget that the 880m still manages to get 18 fps on average while being extremely crippled which is fantastic. Speaking of crippled, I also posted a link which announces that the Kepler GPUs will get a huge performance increase for not only the witcher 3 but all across the board so we can say that this is not the "final form" of the 880m as of yet.

 

Please have a look here, bro.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/just-got-my-880m-twins.750830/page-128#post-10010102

 

I did use the said feature Mr.Fox. But excuse me if I forgot to quote one or two messages. Might have skipped some

 

This huge performance increase you are looking for... It doesn't exist.

 

I sure hope it does because NVIDIA already made a promise to Kepler owners and statistically, there are more people using Kepler than maxwell (or who have not done the transition yet). We already know from NVIDIA that they crippled the Kepler GPUs intentiaonally to draw attention to the maxwell GPUs so I sure as hell the hope it exists for their sake otherwise that will piss many people off and can potentially reduce the amount of greens in the long run. It may not come in a VBIOS cure for my 880ms but I sure as hell would like a performance boost as games are primarily what I am after. But I just want to say that I will remain a green for life

 

*facepalm* nVidia had years to optimize Kepler. Long before Maxwell. For all intents and purposes, Maxwell IS Kepler optimized since it's on the same 28nm process node... You're expecting more than you'll ever get.

 

You are right but what I am saying is optimising Kepler for upcoming games and not sort of "sacking" their performance so that people will have to buy the maxwell GPUs if they want to game. I looked at project cars fps test, an880m gets on average45 fps while a 980m gets on average 60fps.