M18x and Crysis 3 Performance Thread

I wanted to see how well it did with the GPUs not being overclocked and "benchmark" the results with Fraps that way. Before I started running the Fraps benchmark, I did play and hour or so with an offset of +250/+275 (1008/1038). And, it naturally did produce higher frame rates. After playing it without any overclocking, I probably will continue playing that way. I rarely ever overclock video cards for gaming.

 

I do

At least in my MSI its a game of thermals.

 

Nice one brother Fox Like brother stevie, I knew it was a matter of time before you'd go ahead and get the game

Let me recap to see if I got that right: you set everything a stock clock first, and then you were able to play without lag, stutter or choppiness (not even sweeping around over big or heavy-loaded texture objects?). For instance, once I'm ON the dam (with all maxed-out) if I look up and around all is smooth, but the moment I look over the blue object marker and toward the dam itself I see stuttering. It's not the water, as I've already established that for me HIGH or LOW doesn't change performance. Also, does playing with Vsync off gives you - visible to the point of being annoying - screen tearing? (If I don't tweak my configs as per what discussed so far in this thread, I see most tearing when looking/sweeping over those heavy-loaded objects or outside - not all the time though). I noticed that you set texture to HIGH. Do you still get a smooth experience if you set it to VERY HIGH?

 

I hate this game, I tried the SAME SAME SAME setting as Mr. Fox and 29-30 is my MAX MAX FPS when I got inside where you made the first kill, impossible to play....every move is lagging....managed to play for 2-3 min before I just shut it down.

I have level 3 OC 3840QM (4.4Ghz) with 200mhz/200mhz OC on the videocards... F****** hate this game.

 

Right there with ya bro.

 

What video driver are you using? - if you have the latest Nvidia WHQL, you could try uninstalling/reinstalling it to see if that makes a difference.

 

using 314.07, tried to reinstall the HOLE computer AFTER the patch didn't make any different do see if that helped but still the same. As I said, to have the same FPS Mr.Fox has, I need to go down to low/medium on everything with AA disabled.

BTW, 30FPS is with Im completely standing still and not doing anything but when there is much battle, enemy units shooting ect, I drop STRAIGHT to blow 10FPS...

 

I would try to Play the game without oced videocards. maybe the powerlimit of 100w/gpu is arrived and the gpus throttle. btw. how are your cpu temperatures? I get with 4.3ghz on all cores very noisy 85°C

 

I did try without overclokking and didnt help that much, just made it worse. Temp on GPU's is around 65-70 degree during playing. During that build in stress-test at XTU I get around 70-75 degree on all four cores, max I have tried is 1 hour stress...

BUT it seems that its not reaching 4,4Ghz accoring to the process-speed monitor.

 

If SLI is enabled, perhaps something is wrong with your bios-Settings. did u upper the Turbo power Limit?

 

Probably not How do you do that?

 

There are two ways to upper the trashhold. You can do this in bios or via xtu. You have to upper the "Turbo boost short power max" AND the "Turbo boost power max"-sliders up to 99w if you really have a 44x Multiplier-Setting. When the System becomes unstable you´ll have to upper the vcore too (in small steps), until the System is stable.

These steps will unleash the Performance of the cpu and uppers the threshold as well, but the temperatures will be raised

 

I thoought you were talking about the GPU, not CPU

 

I'd maybe try experimenting with stock cpu and gpu and go from there. If you are trying to run a constant 4.4ghz across all cores, that could be an issue....

How much are you trying to OC your 3840 by?

 

the cpu-Performance in conjunction with mgpu-systems cannot be high enough. i´ve sometimes a cpu-utilization of 60% in this game.

@Arotished

sorry 4 misunderstandings

 

Maybe in the minimums but overall the gpu has a bigger impact.

 

I dont have 44x on all CPU, 44 on core 1, 42 on core 2, 40 on core 3 and 38 om core 4.

I just tried with stock CPU and GPU, even worse FPS in crysis.

 

I go with 42 on all cores in msi but I am locked at stock voltage.

 

Anyway, this is not explaining why the max FPS I can get is 30

 

Vsync enabled in menu or drivers?

 

This issue is really baffling: people with same specs are at the opposite extremes. I still have to tweak a lot in order to have a decent experience, which is still not optimal (perfect smooth gameplay with no stutter, as I see in Crysis 2).

 

Well there has to be some firmware or driver difference between them.

 

Not really. We have noticed that even two M18x with same characteristic and setup (hardware, drivers, bios, etc) still end up being at the opposite sides of performance. In addition, let me remind you that even users with high-performance desktops, themselves skillful overclockers and power users they are having issues with NVIDIA 600 series cards.

 

Not sure if it will help, but might be worth a shot. My settings are posted here: [COLOR=#DarkGreen]Crysis 3 Settings[/COLOR]. All it takes is one wrong setting for some games to not function properly.

 

I use similar settings to yours, though I have texture detail set to very high and MSAAx2. My averagefps is around 60, except for the first level which has some drops in framerate, and certain cutscenes with Psycho where my utilization drops down to around 45% on both cards.

 

What program do you guys use that monitors GPU vitals while in game?

 

EVGA Precision X, but you can use MSI Afterburner as well. In settings you can activate the OSD (on screen display) functions and monitor all that concerns your GPUs.

If I let GeForce Experience load optimal settings then I can play without overclock and run all with a SMAA MGPU 2x smooth as butter.

 

It's explained in detail here, but newer software versions, of course.

HOW TO: Setting Up On-Screen In-Game CPU and GPU Performance and Temperature Monitoring Tools

 

Well thanks for the help people. Tried the game on my 3630XM, 580M SLi with MUCH better results, avarage at 40-42 so its must a driver issue.

I have never seen nVidia release a driver shortly after a game have been released, always just before so probably need to wait another 3-4 week before I can enjoy this game on "good" settings.

 

at this exact spot, what do you get without vsync at those exact settings? i am curious how it compares to my 6990m setup.

 

For anyone that has not already seen it, here is a decent review with extensive testing. They used 17 different video cards and a desktop 3960X Extreme CPU. I think it will put things in perspective for those that are stressing about low frame rates. For those that are used to the CPU performance not having an appreciable effect on the gaming experience, Crysis 3 is an exception to the rule. (That may explain why I had a very satisfying experience with a 58 FPS average at 4.0GHz on 4 cores with c-states disabled.)

Link: TechSpot | Crysis 3 Performance Test: Graphics & CPU

For those that don't like to read, but are still stressed out about seeing 40 FPS, here's a one-liner...

 

The Review has one mistake: they dont´t test vhq with fxaa. all over fxaa is expensive and costs al lot of fps. and in my opinion fxaa does its job good enough. i think the Image Quality vhq+fxaa is better than hq+smaa and msaa, because there is no visible edge-flickering anyway.

 

Maybe "incomplete" is more accurate than "mistake" because they made a point of stating they used default GPU control panel settings and mentioned that custom tweaks could yield improved results. But, your point about finding better results through alternate settings is valid and I agree with it.

The main value I saw from the article was the variety of hardware tested and the fact that today's top shelf GPU and CPU hardware is going to be challenged by Crysis 3 more than they normally are. I think that should ease some concerns for those worried about seeing an average of 40-50 FPS and misinterpreting that to be an indication their machine is not performing as well as it should.

 

So, a 3840QM @4,4Ghz and 680M SLi @1000Mhz/2100Mhz is not serious hardware but a stock 3630XM with stock 580M SLI is serious hardware?

 

i think the real Problem of the 680m is the 100w tdp. that would explain the stutter-problem and the less of ability to get smooth framerates in very high Quality in the native resolution. conclusion: C3 takes too much electricity out of the electrical outlet :/

 

Guess I have to get a destop/titan then :-/

 

It's a driver problem, I guarantee you.
Wait for the next NVidia update, then we will know

 

I don´t think so. They can optimize, e.g. schedule some processes better, but heavy overclocking might be uneffective in this game. in my opinion it were be interessting if the utilization becomes better, when you downclock the Card.

 

My system is designed not to use 55W CPUs and the 100W ability is an update to an older design.

I can run crysis at 980mhz at 0.987V with 2600mhz memory and a 4.2ghz 3940XM with no throttle what so ever at around 50-60FPS at everything at high except motion blur off with a modified dell 240W adapter.....

 

the 100w tdp is for one gpu actually you should be able to play in very high Quality plus fxaa with 50-80fps, because desktop-users don´t have Problems with their nv-driver in comparsion with a sli-setup.

 

I think both of you could be correct. We certainly might see meaningful performance enhancements with both NVIDIA and AMD drivers. In fact, I would be surprised if we do not, especially with the NVIDIA drivers.

Gerd has a valid point concerning the power draw. An overvolted 680M (or 7970M that allows adjustment of voltage) will draw a great deal of power, and two in an alternate frame rendering configuration can actually cause a system shutdown due to lack of power if you simultaneously implement an aggressive over-volted CPU and GPU overclock. Before the system reaches a point of shutdown due to power depletion, performance will actually start to decline from power starvation.

That's one of the reasons why I was playing Crysis 3 at 4.0GHz instead of 4.3 or 4.4GHz. As you increase CPU core speed, an automatic increase in CPU power draw occurs. It runs cool well enough that one can substantially overclock the CPU and GPUs without overheating, but the 330W AC adapter lacks capacity to keep up with the power demand. If you run at stock voltage on the GPU vBIOS this power draw issue should be avoidable, but you cannot overclock the GPU as high on stock voltage without losing stability.

 

Well you usually can hit around 950-1000mhz at stock voltage so it's not too bad, that's still the base clock of a 670 desktop card. Without over volting I would be very suprised if you had power related shutdowns on a 330W adapter.

 

If you have a look at this screen shot from game-o-meter, it further suggests that Crysis 3 may also be is CPU heavy. Here I have done a test running at 4.0GHz - You'll notice it still falls short of optimized.

 

Thank you for the excellent information, brother Fox.

The game is indeed quite demanding. Not surprising even people with one GTX 690 if max all out won't get a butter smooth experience. For what I've gathered so far, the game also suffers from optimization issues, such as the way it handles and manages moving objects physics, really strangling the hardware. I'm still optimistic that we are going to see some improvements with a next driver.


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Just past the 5 hour mark with this game, everything turned up to max except msaa or whatever its called. Im avg about 55 still, cards are at about 95% use, temps at 73. Im going to say its a driver issue for you Nividia guys, which you know will be solved soon. The 7970s are running great with the 13.6 driver, also I think I lucked out as Ive had zero issues with these cards from day one.

 

OK, I am going to have to highly recommend the tweak tool recommended by Brother Vulcan based on the following. Averaging just over 89 FPS.

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Anyone else try the MaLDo OnTheFly utility yet?



Here's where I left off tonight...

.............System Configuration.............	Custom Settings
3920XM	4.0GHz (40x4) Flex 20/Pri Plane 1350
680M SLI EVGA Precision-X Settings	+200/+300 (958/1050)
MaLDO OnTheFly Utility........	"Recommended" config profile

Graphics Options	In-Game Settings
Resolution	1920x1080 (Full Screen)
Anti-Aliasing	SMAA LOW (1X)
Texture Resolution	High
V-Synch	No
System Spec	Very High
Advanced Graphics Options	In-Game Settings
Game Effects	Very High
Object	Very High
Particles	Very High
Post Processing	Very High
Shading	Very High
Water	Very High
Anisotropic Filtering	16X
Motion Blur	Disabled
Lens Flares	No

 

What's the "in game" settings at or does the tweak tool take care of that? - haven't tried it yet as I'm in the middle of a clean install testing out Windows corrUpdates for my sleep/resume issue.

 

Added that to the post... the "Recommended" profile tweaks it further. Those are the same settings I was using before I started using the OnTheFly config utility.

It has some other tweaks, too. You can toggle slow motion, change FOV for weapons and some other very cool stuff.

 

Great info. Do you notice any under-utilization of the gpu's still? - you know, at random points such as the "ropey" physics lol