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    *OFFICIAL* Alienware M18x Benchmark Thread - Part 2

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by BatBoy, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Mr. Fox

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    *BUMP*

    OK, maybe that stuff I posted yesterday just is not exciting enough. Perhaps this will get your benching juices flowing....

    Kids, don't try this at home ;)


    STANDARD WARNING
    Third party BIOS Modifications, VBIOS Modifications and other system level tweaks (including fan control) can potentially cause damage to your system. Be aware of this before blindly flashing/installing.

    If you brick your system or cause damage, chances are very high that your warranty will be useless. Know what you are doing, you are responsible for your actions.

    -​

    Now that you've been duly warned... I have been tinkering with vBIOS settings, mainly looking to understand it all, and below are some observations...

    Using NiBiTor you will notice that the 3D clock domains for the GTX 580M are cells 3 and 5. It appears that cells 0 and 1 represent "stock clocks" and cells 4 and 11 are "bumped" (dynamic) shader clocks. In NiBiTor, domain 15 is P0 and 14 is P1. It appears the cells are arranged exactly the same, except there are no higher dynamic shader clocks in domain 14 (P1). I determined this by opening 4 different modded vBIOS ROM files to compare the settings. See screen shot. It appears the values in cells 0 and 1 (stock clocks) are what feeds information to GPU-Z and other software to display the factory "default" clocks. The first Vantage screen shot below shows what it looks like in GPU-Z and NVIDIA Inspector if the values in cells 0 and 1 are changed to match the actual clock speeds. (Notice the default values displayed.)

    Here is a screen shot of what a stock Dell GTX 580M vBIOS looks like in NiBiTor, and here is a screen shot of the same in Svet's vBIOS Tuner.

    I put together my own Excel tool to calculate the values for the bumped clocks, and double-checked what I did with NiBiTor using Svet's vBIOS Tuner. See screen shot. The red arrow is pointing to the "bumped" (dynamic) shader clock ratio.

    After using Svet's vBIOS Tuner to cross-check everything and validate the integrity, I then ran some tests with a very mild overclock. Here is a link to my first self-modded vBIOS ROM used in the following tests. Here is a screen shot of what the settings look like.

    Below are the initial benchmarks with the mild GPU overclock. (Note that these are not record-setting runs like I have posted before. I don't have access to an AC unit for cooling, and thus cannot push my CPU as hard as I need to right now. But, the results are still very good.)

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2920XM Processor,Alienware M18xR1 score: P6904 3DMarks

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2920XM Processor,Alienware M18xR1 score: P27430 3DMarks

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    After completing those runs without a hitch, I used one of my batch files to bump things up a bit, and found everything still very stable. No artifacts, silky smooth, no problems with GPU temps...

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Here is what I meant about not being able to push my CPU harder without an AC unit to keep it cool enough...

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Now that I know how it all works, it's time to re-flash the original Dell vBIOS specs... which is more than adequate for excellent gaming performance with the "Fox Fix" in place to prevent throttling.
     
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  2. steviejones133

    steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    OUCH! - 99c on the cpu Mr. Fox !!! - you were pushing it LOL - nice results none the less.....I admire your passion for benching!
     
  3. ahmadmud

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    really useful information, well done Mr. Fox
     
  4. mobiousblack

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    Thanks for the great post brother fox! Very helpful of those interested :D


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  5. Mr. Fox

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    Thanks gentlemen...
     
  6. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    With Anchorman 2 officially announced I couldn't resist:
    Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeench teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaam Asseeembllllllllllllllllllllllllllle!

    Been working closely with brother Fox here figuring out whether any of the vbios entries help with stability at all. Call all 580m benchers to test whether OC'ing using OC tools like inspector vs OCing by flashing modded vbioses with proper bumped shader and cell entries makes a difference with regard to stability.
     
  7. Mr. Fox

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    Ha ha, looking forward to that movie, too.

    Seems some of the regular benchers have taken a vacation.
     
  8. cookinwitdiesel

    cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher

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    I am in replacement limbo currently - my tech support guy is quite spotty on the replies and disappears for a week or two at a time :( (already used the Jury duty excuse once.....)

    I am worried though since the 2960xm is not on the website anymore - who knows what I will end up with...

    Awesome find though Fox, very thorough and good work as usual ;)
     
  9. DanXbix

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    my replacement still being built so I am a little worried too. Though the 2960xm is still available in AUS


    Sent from my iPad3 using Tapatalk HD
     
  10. long2905

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    Stay classy everyone! In the next few weeks when i get a proper heatsink I would install the 580M and test anything you guys allowed me to :D
     
  11. DR650SE

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    Man, I was offered a trade by a reputable member here. Trade my R2 W/ 6990 for an 18x with 2630 and 6990. Have to see if I can swing me keeping my blu-ray writer. Tough decision as I love the 19x12 RGB. I know I'd like the 18" screen, but having a sharper image with the R2, and more vivid color and better aspect ratio is the main reason I don't want to trade :( Plus I'm super late to the 18x bench party and I would need to swap the 6990s for 580's and get a 2960xm :p
     
  12. Johnksss

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    been working myself. also been exploring the memory over clocking as well. :)
    but i'll get back to doing a few test runs to see if i can at least stay where i was at.

    at those clocks, it should be closer to 30k. i just did a test run at grabbed at 29751 gpu score....@800/L/900 and stock xtreme cpu clocks.
     
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  13. skygunner27

    skygunner27 A Genuine Child of Zion

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    Nice post Fox!!! I'd rep you but I have to spread some around first :D

    Oh yeah!!!....I'm lovin the new avatar!
     
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    Do it :) do it :)


    Sent from my iPad3 using Tapatalk HD
     
  15. Mr. Fox

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    Yes, I agree, Brother John. CPU is just getting too hot in the 3DMark CPU tests and throttling back without AC, (fine the rest of the bench run,) but the benchmarks were primarily for testing the vBIOS and not a high score.
     
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    My bad. I was only talking about your gpu clocks. My cpu score was like 22k but gpu was 29k+
     
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    I think that might possibly be the modded 680 driver (301.10) I am playing with. I'm probably going to drop back to 295.51, as that gave me the best benchmark performance thus far. The 301.10 mod works just fine in games, but I'm not impressed with how it does in Vantage or 3DMark11.
     
  18. homank76

    homank76 Alienware/Dell Enthusiast

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    I just received my M18x today. Granted it's not up to the levels as most of you guys, but I just want to see where I sit at stock and then make a few adjustments when I tweak it and upgrade down the road.

    So at stock I'm sitting at:

    MarkVantage - 16902
    Mark11 - 4135
    Mark06 - 21450

    After doing some small tweaking I was able to get these numbers

    MarkVantage - 18974
    Mark11 - 4786
    Mark06 - 21855

    Still a few things to do, but not much more.
     
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    Congratz on the new purchase and welcome to the benching club.
     
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    I should hopefully have my 2920XM by this weekend. Then I'll be ready to throw my numbers up on here :)
     
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    Nice! I know you will like it far better than your current cpu.. :D
     
  22. blink_c

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    Definitely! I got my current setup off the Outlet for an awesome price, so I figured I could afford a new XM processor and dual-pipe heatsink :)

    Actually...

    Brother John, do you know if I can do all the fun memory flashing you are doing on my ADATA 1.35V 1600MHz Gaming Series RAM?
     
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    Yep. You sure can.
     
  24. homank76

    homank76 Alienware/Dell Enthusiast

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    Thanks, but with my current setup there is not much more that I may do, except overclock my memory when it gets in the mail.

    I was lucky to get this machine, just found out the wife is pregnant again...
     
  25. DanXbix

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    Still waiting on my replacement m18x and haha my wife is pregnaut again too we just found out its a boy.
     
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    homank76 Alienware/Dell Enthusiast

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    Congrats!!!
     
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    I would wait, you may be able to purchase a slightly used or refurbished M18x already equipped with the desired hardware for $2500 within a year or so, especially after the M18x R2 hits the streets. Getting an M18x only to have to purchase a 2920/2960 CPU and 580 SLI will be at least another $1500 on top of the acquisition of the M18x.

    Listen, I surreptitiously came across some good information on here pertaining to getting a good deal on and M18x right when I was contemplating pulling the trigger on one on ebay for ~$3200., and it was to check the Dell Outlet from time to time as they regularly get units in. You can get a decent deal there. And on ebay, I see M18's on ebay that typically sell around $3200-$3500.

    I have to be brutally honest and say that I absolutely love my M18x, the fit and finish and the way the games play is incredible.

    Its not too late to set some new records with overclocking, maybe you can talk to whomever is developing the water cooling system and see if they'll let you pimp their prototype.
     
  28. Mr. Fox

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    4/9/2012 7:53:49 PM - Vista 64
    Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
    DX10 1920x1080, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
    Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
    Global Game Quality: VeryHigh
    ==============================================================
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 32.44s, Average FPS: 61.64
    Min FPS: 36.51 at frame 142, Max FPS: 74.92 at frame 1007
    Average Tri/Sec: -15875380, Tri/Frame: -257533
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -3.56
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 30.31s, Average FPS: 66.00
    Min FPS: 36.51 at frame 142, Max FPS: 77.71 at frame 1018
    Average Tri/Sec: -16004720, Tri/Frame: -242512
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -3.78
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 29.96s, Average FPS: 66.75
    Min FPS: 36.51 at frame 142, Max FPS: 77.71 at frame 1018
    Average Tri/Sec: -16052545, Tri/Frame: -240498
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -3.81
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
    ==============================================================

    Completed All Tests

    <><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

    4/9/2012 7:53:49 PM - Vista 64

    Run #1- DX10 1920x1080 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 66.375
     

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    homank76 Alienware/Dell Enthusiast

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    Where did you get the test from Mr. Fox?
     
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    homank76 Alienware/Dell Enthusiast

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    That's not going to happen since I don't own the game...yet.

    Thanks for the post
     
  32. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Here's another cool game benchmark... this one (I believe) will run as a standalone without the game. Aliens vs. Predator DirectX 11 Benchmark Tool
    <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wl9s21Lf-6E?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wl9s21Lf-6E?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width='1280' height="720" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
     

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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Here is a nice 3DMark11 run for benching without AC. HWiNFO64 pushing fans at 100%, but no AC. :D

    http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3160214

    [​IMG]
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    Boy, it really stinks how slow the Futuremark web site has become. It seems like it takes forever to load results any more.
     
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    homank76 Alienware/Dell Enthusiast

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    New best in the Mark06 with a score of 22744
     
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    Hi peeps,
    I'd love to see some plain jane stock scores for any xfire and SLI setups in 3d mark 11. I have found lots of over clockers posting their scores but I'm a stock kind of person. If this information is available already I'd love a linky.

    Cheers =)
     
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    Lanscaper Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks to both of you. It seems a xfire 6990m isn't too far from a stock i5 2500k and msi gtx 580 lightning (on stock overclock) desktop rig I have sitting in my room. I'd still love to see some 6970m xfire, 560m SLI, and 580M SLI stock scores if possible thanks =)
     
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    My stock 6970M score is about P58XX on 12.2 Preview drivers. My overclocked score pushes JUST over P6500.
     
  40. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Benchmarking discussions belong in the benchmarking thread. This thread space is not reserved for overclockers. You are more than welcome to document your stock benchmarking scores here. The more the merrier. Please post links to online results and screen shots showing your scores whenever possible.
     
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    DR650SE The Whiskey Barracuda

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    I found out I'm having a boy a few days ago as well. Congrats to you man!!! This will be my first born. I can already see him winning a state wrestling title and riding motocross and of course, posting some huge benches with daddy :p

    Sent from my Samsung Captivate/ICS using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Congratulations to both of you! That's awesome. I have 5 (4 adults and a 17 year old) and 4 are boys. You're both made of "cool dad" material.
     
  43. DanXbix

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    Thanks Fellas!!! & Congrats DR650SE yeah i also have a 3yr Girl and she loves playing Sonic on the m18x with a 360 controller lol
    Kids now days have the coolest tech iPads,Smartphones massive TV's etc etc
    its sad though that no one has a BMX anymore
     
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    I have a BMX :p

    But I'm 20...so.
     
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    congratz!!
     
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    Congrats man :)
     
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    Nice! - Congratulations on your good news DR!
     
  48. Mr. Fox

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    Playing around a little with Mint Linux and found a cool benchmarking suite...

    [​IMG]

    Phoronix Test Suite
     
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    hello

    Bench SSD Samsung 256Go
     

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    that is a seriously bugged run...
     
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