M17/Ocz Whitebook Quad Problems

ok to sumarize everything has happened.

we tried to find the reason for overheating. we found the mouse was a suspect because with out the drivers installed, it has decrease some. the chipset driver also help.

but becauae the real reason was overheating on the cpu and northbridge. this is why what every we did that include using less power for system, it worked temp but the main issue was never resolved. this included. 7200rpm vs 5400rpm. the slower driver that used less heat did reduce stutter but it didn't stop. also raid vs non-raid. using raid requires more power by using the hdd's at the same time(not getting into deep detail.) used more power for our undrrvolted cpu and alot more. cause the worst results.

using a ssd improved improved it by not using alot of power at 1st but it wasn't a sucess.

using one stick of ram
also help alot by usong alittle less heat and less voltage.

we still need flex to send us a new bios with better fan control and more volts to the cpu to improve our systems.

(i can't finish my summary i am late to work.) can someone who was following fin.)

we are also testing our notebooks to see what else we can do. so will will keep you up to date. we know know that the northbridge caused the stuttering. but also there isn't enoungh volts going to the cpu sometimes rendering the cpu unstable. hope flex will look at this to see our efforts and will also do something about it in a good way. (as in provide better heatsink, bios. etc. )
not a revised notebook and leave us hanging. because we all spent our hard earned money to get our systems.

 

I've been following this thread and don't remember the chip specs being listed.

Don't know if it wil help but this is what I found comparing a X9100 to a QX9300:

X9100
Max Temp=105C
Max Thermal Design Power(Watts)45
Core voltage=1.050-1.2625

QX9300
Max temp 100°C
Max Thermal Design Power(Watts)45
Core Voltage=1.050V-1.175V

On paper at least, it looks like the minimum power requirements are the same between the two chips @ 1.050V.

There is however a difference in the max allowable temp between the two chips indicating that the QX9300 has a lower heat tolerance.

However the problem seems to be more of a northbridge heating issue rather than a chip heating issue.

I'll run 3DMark06 @ stock clocks to see the temps with the X9100 for comparison and edit the results into this post.

EDIT: Here's my temps with the X9100 @ running 3DMark06:


I get no stuttering with these temps.

 

rob41 i see your ponit but the cpu doesnzlt use that voltage unless dffs is on. when it is my volts are suppose to be 1.050- 1.200 but i can't enable then because of the bios not having it. so my voltage is 1.163-1.315 or 325. so if can enable this first when see better results in not only overclocking but tems as well.

 

Oh I wasn't really trying to make a point Don.

Just trying to add a little info in case it can add any clues.

It does look like a new bios would allow the changes that are needed.

 

yeah but i am worried if overclock is going to be there. for ocz we would be fine but that is not an option. also, asimobile haven't told us nothing about anything they are trying to reach as a company.

alienware so far has not overclock. and it makes me alittle mad. plus if they add it might be sometihng stupid. i really don't want to go to 2.53 from 3.2 aka big difference.

 

hi all any advice would be great i want to mod the chips...

i can get hold of 30 gauge pure silver sheet which ive been told is better than copper.

i dont know what thickness is 30 gauge..... is it to thick or too thin

thanks.

p.s would i silver mod north and south bridges

 

Sure would be nice if A.W./Flex released a good bios at least for you guts with the Quad.

I'm don't really want to use the OCZ bios myself cause I don't make a habit of ocerclocking my laptop.

 

@kcuk
I personally don't remember if Silver is a better heat conductor than copper, although electric current wise it is.

@Others
I do agree it's pretty sad that something like a bios and a bit more attention to detail on the heat reduction side from AW would have fixed and or prevented this issue. I don't know how much cost it was to field all the support calls and emails for this very issue, but I've got a feeling that pre-release testing with the QX9300, Dual Vid, etc, would have caught this and just maybe 10cents more worth of copper/better padding would have prevented all the calls and customer annoyance.

Just my 2cents. =P

Can't wait to get home on R&R myself and mod this baby, maybe even buy the QX9300 via ebay unless someone else knows a better place.

 

Come On People

THIS IS not AW fault Arima made this note book and they screwed up please do your research

and they did testing .... possibly the notebook was propely pasted

 

i blamed alienware for there bios and flex for there design. also there is a guide for the copper mod.

 

AW biod and OCZ bios both stutter lol

i blame ODM as a whole for not giving more control over our fans

 

True Moo. Just happened to vent some of my frustration I have here at AW instead of the people that deserve it. Granted most of my frustration is at the internet where I am. =P

Back on topic though. You're right, they most likely tested, etc and it worked fine. I'm thinking that the couple/few they tested might have had a bit more care taken in the builds. I'm not saying they don't when you buy one but well. I think you might get what I'm saying. The only reason I mention this is because prior to buying mine I had read a few posts (forget where and what system) where a person was having problems with thier system. It turned out that the thermal paste from factory was applied way too thick as well as very haphazardly. This of course caused massive cooling issues etc.

We are in luck though that 1. Thanks to so many people here we have found the cause of the issue. 2. It IS something as minor as cooling.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had the dimentions of the copper shim(s) needed as well as maybe any other ideas for possible custom heatsinks? Reason I ask is my brother manages a machine shop and I *might* be able to get a few made if anyone is interested.

 

thermal paste is tricky

 

Agreed, paste can be a pita sometimes.

 

Other than having A.W. info. and list of specs. put into the bios, does A.W. even have much to do with it?

I'm just asking cause I don't know.

I know from reading a post made by the owner of the Killer Notebooks, that he was waiting on a bios revision from Taiwan. That's for their Nagamaki which is the same chassis/platform as ours.

 

Here is my GPU heat sink modified. OCZ white book. i have an extra heat sink so i modded one. it does help. Runs about 5-7 degrees cooler. I also removed all of the mesh to allow for more air flow.

 

All AW does is re-make drivers and slap there lid on it, paint it, differnt/same bios

they just put in the CPU RAM HD GPU ....

they put it together but dont have anything to do with making parts

 

axman that cooler is serious you need rep for that. please explain. pm'd

 

that was Axman ....

 

frozencpu.com sells small chipset heat sinks, 14x14mm ( i believe those are them) about 20 dollars for them. they come with adhesive, but arctic silver 5 adhesive epoxy is better imo. you will need a dremel to make them the apropriate height and put them in the locations you see i have mine. its cheep and easy. if you have a cooler and modify the plastic cover you can get even lower temps.

 

Just installed my xq9300 again.. used mx2 on th gpu's and made some eh hopefully very nice pictures of the inside of the laptop.

 

please post results and what you did.

 

I kinda did the same as you however I only cut up one of the GPU pads to cover the northbridge. No coppermods ( didnt have the copper ) Photos here..

Results I have been playing some COD5 W@W and did a 3d mark 06 bench.
( Still have stock speeds and AW bios installed had no stuttering as of yet also have windows vista 32bits installed with Ati9.4 drivers. And the latop is sitting on my very crappy Zalman nc1000 cooler.. )

 

OK,
should I be concerned? My northbridge is getting around 88C during benchmarking and you guys are around 70C.

I'm don't have any issues or stuttering but is 88C ok?

 

that's bad. even though you have no problems. your computer overtime will start to act up. and maaybe even have a hardware failure. my goal for modding is to make my gpu's not pass 75. and my cpu to not past 70. and the northbridge to not pass 70. i would like 65 but since they are togther it will be hard. i also know the cpu is going to be hard but with the right people we should be able to accomplish this.

 

omega when i get home i will also run 3dmark06 and post my results stock.

 

im working on a mod for the nb using a thin piece of copper that will go out and around the normal heatsink it will require me to cut part of the aluminum off of it. but this will essentially use two halves of a nb desktop cooler ground down and get attached to the copper piece between the nb die and the normal heatsink.

but honestly with the copper shim i made i have yet to stutter since i did it its been flawless. ive ordered more copper stock and should hopefully have it in a few days and then could cut some shims out.

 

if it isnt a problem can you draw a diagram of your idea. i am lost without a picture.

 

Nice job Axman!

For anyone interested, here's a link for the sinks:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835108071

Axman, how well does the paste hold the sinks? No danger of them coming loose?

 

hes basically running a line out to his fins on the heat sink

 

for omega

great find rob41.

mr moo. that is what it looks like but it appears to work. i think he stated 5 or 7 degrees less which is a big drop for me.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835425007

small heat sink with fan

possible

 

did axeman cut the fins on the gpu memoery heatsinks so they could fit...the ones in the link on the last page have really long fins

 

yea he cut them i looked .... hey halo check out the fins in my link it looks promisieng

 

yeah looks good...throw that on the NB and power up that fan somehow and u have a good dedicated cooling solution.....did axeman see any difference with the RAM heat spreaders? i think those are good at keeping heat away from the other components

 

he said in one of his post a 5c difference

 

for the RAM?

 

Does any1 have a link for the ram heatspreaders?

And i bought THESE RAMSINKS.. you dont even have to cut it to fit in ..
Its 10x10x5 so its not too high.. i just got it today and theyre great.. already cut up the silver and now im just waiting for the heatsink to come.. its already in Slovenia ^^.. just waitin for ups to deliver it to my door..

 

nice nice nice keep us posted .... I'm gonna go with copper for the mod and maybe those copper sinks

... that little fan would be interesting

it would be way better is we were like all together , so we could look it over n stuff

the little fan right over the NB on top of the copper part .... i set my mini fan over it and closed the bottom and i had a 10c drop in orthos

 

Last night I decided not to prop my notebook up with a cd and it actually ran cooler. I think it has to do with the aluminum though.

It actuallly ran 10c cooler than before when I would run it with it propped up.

Lol this could also be because it doesnt really have any fans and it gets cooler from transferring heat from the aluminum to the desk. Pretty neat.

 

..... the hot air would heat the aluminum but its not touching it ... werid

 

hi all, i was reading your posts and someone mentioned hes northbridge was too hot,

how can i check northbridge temp, whats software are you lot using.

thanks

 

so are you saying the back cover which is made out of aluminum is storing heat instead of releasing it .

 

no aluminum is better then copper at dispersing heat

he was talking about his desk

he said it ran better flat then propped up but he thought his aluminum desk was helping to disperse the heat from the laptop ......

 

oh oh i see. again i was lost.

 

understandable

hey dont do you have your account to auto subscribe? every time i post in a thread it subscribes its awsome ....

BTW i hold it down over night

 

Made a new run with 3dmark06 and HWmonitor. Still no stuttering or sound problems

 

lol. yeah i do. i get emails on everything. but at night i'm knocked out by 1:30-7 or 8 sometimes. and i see everyone else just have a grand time. lol.

 

omega your cheating. your using a cooler. lol. but i'll beat your record stocked record. i'm good at that.

so you can say or of 100% how much stuttering occurs.

 

for me none




only cuz my cpu sucks

i ran w prime and i could get to 26.065
i ran outta voltage at 3.18 ghz