M17/Ocz Whitebook Quad Problems

Don, if the heatsink isn't settled fully on the north bridge, then you would get over heating, at the very least, on a sporadic basis.

Althouh I ordered good thermal paste, the crappy stuff I put on isn't working very well. I'm getting in the low 90'sC on my ACPI and CPU cores. What I'm not getting is any stuttering whatsoever.

I know you guys have put a lot of time into this, but if I'm above 90C on my ACPI and CPU cores without a problem I don't understand how your "mod" could have fixed the problem.

Heatsink not being seated properly=over heating, since your nb isn't getting too hot, perhaps it's more of an issue of the quad being less tolerant of heat?

 

well how does the sensor detect temps on the die? what if the part of the die that is being cooled by the heatsink is reporting the temps while other parts of the die are hotter and it screws everything up...all the heat on the die could be traveling to the point of contact and totally screw temps over

 

i guys sorry to sound stupid, but how do i tell if the northbridge is too hot i have hardware monitor as i also have been at the northbridge chip, i put crap loads of mx-2 on it, itl be great to know what im looking for in hardaware monitor and a guid temp please thanks all

 

it's hard to explain and i'm going to confuse everyone and me. i am going to try to get a report about the situation and repost back on why copper work on quad cores and it's not a heat problem. i need to edit my post. but it's not the northbridge getting hot.

also don't use alot of mx-2. it doesn't do anything. just a little bit and if you have copper also use that.

 

Dondadah, zfactor and Hallogod, just one more question: after the copper mod have you really never stuttered? Did you test everything?
Please answer honestly all of you..
I never stuttered with my qx9300 so i cant really say anything with my modding and testing.. i can just report how i lowered temps. And im really still baffled how this copper is supposed to fix the issue. If your nb wasnt covered before it should overheat insanely since as you saw at my mod i had a ramsink on and even with it i got to 86C in 26 seconds! So yours should burn out if it wasnt transfering heat well. So what exactly does the copper really do (besides perhaps increase heat transfer for a few degrees)? When i removed my heatsink before when i had mx-2 between i could see contact was good (almost complete coverage of the chip). I just dont know how to explain it now that i know how nb would burn out without cooling.

 

i dont stutter anymore at all.....i dont know what is was but i copper modded the nb, sb, gpu.....other than that who knows what i might have accidently done to the hardware to fix it...but im stutter free....3dmark06 always reports over 16k.....before it would drop to single gpu speeds and stutter and give me scores of 13k....sometimes 14k...sometimes even 15k.....but now over 16k every single time i run it. Also...games like gta4 that would drop and stutter now dont ever. I honestly dont have any stutter at all, not even any windows lag....what also happened is im very stable at 3.2ghz where before i wasnt and had to use the 11.5 multi instead which is 3.06 ghz

 

ermm please northbridge temp detection where what is it????

 

If you're using thermal paste anywhere between the copper and the heat sink, then the only thing the copper is doing is becoming a shim. As far has heat transference goes, it's only as good as the weakest link. In this case, it's no doubt the thermal paste.

I understand why you needed to use the copper as a shim for the NB due to the fact there was a thermal pad there and you needed a shim. But the use of a copper shim anywhere else is unnecessary and only creates two more surfaces that must be seated well in thermal paste.

If you feel it's working for you, great, but the thermal efficiency is only that of the paste.

 

is the tz00 the northbridge temp detection

 

i thought the NB temp wasnt reported on the notebook. if thats the case most notebook things have a critical temp of 100-110 which means it was up there which was causeing the stuttering

 

i have only ever saw one single time it stuttered very quickly then it went away and i have not seen it since and not before that either after doing the copper mod. its a awesome system now imo and nice to not think about it stuttering..

 

It's not. There is a temp diode for each core of the CPU and another temp diode in the ACPI which is near the CPU. To get the temp of the northbridge you need a infered thermometer and point the laser at the northbridge or as near as you can get on the heatsink.

I'll shoot mine again tonight with my Fluke 62 mini infered thermometer and post results.

 

good i thought i was right i just wanted to be sure

the cpu can get as hot as it wants just the NB that cant reach 100-120 c

for quads the spacing made it cool the cpu and partially the NB which means it ran hot so the copper fixed that but with the dual core the CPU can run as hot as it wants but he NB is still staying cool because it has direct contact

 

The copper shim didn't do anything for cooling unless the space between the component being cooled and the heatsink required a spacer.

If the copper was placed between the component being cooled and the HS, and no thermal compound was used, then you could expect the full ammount of thermal exchange from the copper if you could somehow ensure complete contact on both sides which you couldn't.

As long as you have thermal paste on one or more sides of the copper, then the maximum thermal exchange is that of the thermal paste.

 

which would be higher then the copper so the copper is the throttle-e

 

I'm assuming you removed the thermal pad from between the northbridge and the heatsink.

If there is a gap there that cna't be filled by the thermal compound you're using then the copper shim may well work. You did use thermal compund on both sides of the copper right?

I would prefer using a thermal paste like OCZ freeze which is fairly thick and will likely work over the northbridge without a shim.

My order of that compound will arrive from Newegg on Tue. or Wed. so I'll be able to let you know for sure then.

The only thing the copper is doing is creating two more surfaces to which thermal compound must be applied correctly.

 

if your talking to me i didnt do any thing

im just clarifying things


for my own personal knowledge

 

Sry, I thought you did the copper mod too.

 

after my copper mod. i haven't stutterd and my system is very solid.

 

That's great.

Thermal pads like the ones install by A.W. are fairly poor thermal conductors compared to a high quality thermal compound.

Thermal pads are used by many OEM's because they are foolproof to install and generally provide adequate thermal conductivity.

I can see why you used copper for the northbridge to close the gap left by the thermal pad, so a good thermal exchange could take place, but did you also use copper for the CPU and GPU's.

If you didn't need to fill the gap with a shim, then the copper is doing nothing.

Anyway, I'm really glad you're not getting any stuttering.

 

project freeze is back in full effect. sorry for the rants and raves i caused...

but it will be done.

 

Hey guys,

my m17 just got here!!! I havent even opened it yet...Im too excited!!!!!!

 

you need to run 3dmarks to see if you stutter now open it!!!!

 

haha kk

First post on my m17 woot

 

nice huh ?


need to see what people offer me

not a single offer

new Asus G51 looked good: OC'ing , dual HD in a 15 inch , Montevina, illuminated keyboard

 

Ok, ran 3dmark 06 with no stuttering. I have done absolutely nothing to this system yet.

Completely stock and got 13453 score.

Now I was wondering, I remember reading somewhere on how to see if both 3870s are running. In the control panel all I see is one? But Im pretty sure theyre both running bc the score would have been a lot lower.

Now I will install some different drivers.

 

download GPU z to see how they are running

in CCC it will have a linked adapter

 

I always forget about device manager...

 

hi, since you have the latest m17 system, can you please check your inbuilt BIOS version? Really want to confirm the B13 version news. THX

 

First install failed. Im going to try again.

 

congrats. i know you can't stop smiling. you have all my info about the system and my album online with over 60pictures of the system, benchmarks, runs that you can follow. post pm or email for anything that you need.


so you can confirm that you are not stuttering?

 

not stuttering and do have B13 bios

 

ho hoo hooooo

 

great news. i will update the first post when i get the chance.

 

Glad to see your rig finally made it to Djibouti!

 

so how do we get the b13 bios?

 

Hi guys,

congratulation snowmobile....I know that youve suffered enough waiting for your M17. Nice config you have there and good scores to start with.

In system information my BIOS shows as;

Intel W841.B10, 14/10/2008

I take it that this is the old BIOS. I will watch this thread for an update on how to get the latest BIOS as asked by Halogod.

ps, whats going on with this forum?? I constantly struggle to browse its pages!

 

DOH!!! OK,OK....Im blind, just seen the new BIOS thread...sorry!

 

Hey guys, I've been following the posts as I also have a M17 and the sound and stuttering issue is driving me nuts. Here is my problem I am having and nobody has mentioned much about it. I am trying to flash the bios to OCZ .28 as it is more stable then any alienware bios. I make my USB flash and I get everything going but when I type phlash16 and hot enter it goes to the Phoenix bios screen but I get a error: phoenix phlash16 error file opened fail. I am using Windows Vista home edition 64x bit and I have Intel Core 2 quad Q9100 and 4 GB of ram. Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

you can burn it to a cd also.

make sure when you dropped the bios file you didn't erase anything from the flash after you formated it.

 

Ive been having a problem lately to where CCC will not open sometimes. I finally got it to open a few days ago and had to reboot and now it wont open again.

Does anyone know why it is not opening? It just says CCC failed to start and windows trys to run a diagnostic, but doesnt help lol

Also, my touchpad just stopped working out of nowhere...It has the driver in device manager and I did absolutely nothing to mouse drivers

 

i would uninstall synactics and just use the regualer touchpad drivers.

as for ccc what does it say. you need the frameworks to get it running perfectly.

 

Dont have it with me right now. but Ill see whats up when I get back to it.

Im try to remember what frameworks are. Are those all the apps it comes with? Like the Branding, and all those folders?

 

.net framework. it to basically tell programs how to run correctly with windows.

 

So how do I get hte frameworks to run it perfectly?

 

download them from microsoft's website.
2.0
2.0x64
3.0
3.5

there's alot. i have visual studio from school so i have all of them that's why i don't know the number that will fix it.

 

Might want to add that according to AW-Warner, the B14 BIOS was intended to fix the stuttering issue. Most that have tried have said it may have helped a lil, but not completely. B13 BIOS just added support for 8GB Ram.

 

What ATI Drivers did you install? I had a problem installing E-Wreckeds 9.3 drivers where the CCC wouldn't open as well, and the drivers never really installed right for me. I've since installed the Mobility Modded 9.5 drivers, and running smooth. I am now even able to turn shadows on in WoW (previous versions would drop framerates unacceptably) and it runs great!. 9.6 (beta drivers) are alleged to increase FPS in Crysis.

 

i'll use your post and edit it.

 

I still get the file open failure on C:\BIOS.WPH as I'm guessing Im not in the right directory to open it but I can get the USB to load and go to C prompt