Finally Dell confirms M11x refresh!

Reminds me of the sleey0/engadget incident

 

LOL, So I brought it full circle then. I really would love to have one of these M11x...

 

hmm i did make an actual measurement and found out that 12.1 would be max to fit, 13 inch is just too big to fit. i am asking my friend who repairs laptop if it would be possible to fit an 12.1 inch led screen in my m11x. i just post soon coz i might try this hehehe

 

oo and if that doesnt work maybe a screen that is of better quality? maybe better brightness? get rid of the reflections? this indeed could be a project of great value!

 

Yeah its time for a larger screen and a better one and in for it or at least a larger res why is the screen brightness so horrible lol. Are people still having problems with the Flimsy Lid?

 

just spoken to a dell rep, he said the new ULV i3 + i5 will be become an option in the config in 3 months. no mention of the ULV i7 guys.

sadly if u already own a m11x like me you can not send it back to get it upgraded however they said one can upgrade to the new cpu yourself. but it would void the warrenty.

 

oo thanks for the info. too bad no i7. now i dont really care if they do a refresh because to me the i3 and i5 ulv have negligible differences from the current processors. its a nice upgrade for everyone who was waiting for it but personally for me it wouldnt be worth the upgrade unless it was really major like a regular core i (non ulv) or at least ulv i7

 

yeap but with a i7 ulv performance would still be negligible, i would suggest to upgrade the hard drive for an intel x25-m 80gb SSD for a totally improve user experience.

 

yea ssd's are ooutta my price range. i want at least 250gb and those sdd's are way expensive. how much was the intel x25-m 80gb SSD?

 

hmmm i guess its about 200usd hhmmm just try to get a 2nd hand

 

So at basically equal clock speeds they perform basically the same. The i5 only beats it significantly at 2.48GHz and that will significantly reduce battery life while the SU7300 @ 1.73 has pretty much the same battery life it does @ 1.3. The SU7300 can be overclocked to 1.9GHz and score about 1800 Passmark's performance test in the UL80 series, has anyone tried OC'ing it in the M11x?

 

In m11x, you only have BIOS OC option enable (1.73) / disable (1.3 GHz). There's no advanced setup.

 

SetFSB doesn't work with it?

 

Honestly, I did not try. But there were few very lengthy discussions about the overclock, and to date, as far as I know , noone on this forum managed to OC beyond 1.73 GHz.

Here's one of the discussions: http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware/463095-m11x-clock-generator-ics9lprs387bklf-13.html

and one of the last posts in that thread:

 

Unfortunately not, PLL TME is locked.

 

No one is going to be continuously using their CPU at max power and expect decent battery life. All of these CPUs will clock themselves significantly lower much of the time when you're not doing intensive work, so the point is moot. What matters is that the Core i5 has the potential to offer significantly more performance, though that's only when you combine a BCLK overclock (in the case of the UL30JT ASUS calls it Turbo33) with Intel's Turbo Boost in order to get it to run at ~2.13GHz maximum (the 2.48GHz is only for when it's running on a single core, so despite the high frequency in this state it still isn't going to hurt battery life much). The Core i7 ULV should, of course, be even faster.

In any case, with regards to battery life Dell obviously isn't going to put in the hard effort that others like Acer and Apple have in order to get ~8+ hours from non-ULV CPUs (i.e. the TimelineX and Macbook Pro models). It's a pity, too, because that's an area that needs competition, and the full-powered Core i5s obviously have significantly more to offer.

 

Wow that sucks. You would think an Alienware laptop would encourage OC'ing.

 

I dont know your rep, but you guys need to stop believing everything these guys say!
Chances are he doesnt know about it...

 

They do, but only with their OC "switch" to 1.73GHz. Which isn't too bad tbh.

 

Good luck with that DIY upgrade and of course theyallow you toreturn your C2D M11x for a core-i ulv

 

I think by "upgrade the CPU yourself and void warranty" he means. you can rip it out of the soldering and be SOL

 

@DR650SE
@Abaddon4180

it really happened and as i said you cannot just guess and i was right.

see this:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...w-dell-alienware-summer-2010-computex-e3.html

 

Seems like there's a new addition. See second processor in comparison list:


Compare Intel® Products,

 

The older Core i5 520UM might drop off in favor of the cheaper Core i3 330UM. The new 540 would replace the old 520 at its price point.

Computex can't come soon enough.

 

What are you talking about?

 

I'm with him, what are you talking about? What really happened? We all knew that there would most likely be a refresh of the M11x at E3, what were saying is that other than one guy saying core-i/june, there are no other details, so I'm not sure what you right on. We'll have to wait till E3 Begins to get any details on the M11x R2. Not to mention quoting that (NBR thread) as support for any argument is weak. It's mere speculation on the behalf of NBR members throwing out ideas, so to quote that as a source is flawed logic. And the thread is over two months old with the exception of the last 5-7 posts from yesterday/today.

 

E3 seems so far away. I pretty much made up my mind on this little animal. I'm following on your footsteps DR650SE.

Intel officially outs Core i3, i5 and i7 ULV processors for those ultra-thin laptops -- Engadget

 

If the Compare Intel® Products, indicates potential processors for the M11x, what's the thoughts on power consumption.

SU7300 Max TDP 10W.
Mobile i5 or i7 Max TDP 18W.

 

for what it is worth

i talked to a sales rep and she told me to expect the new CPUs in the m11x in the third week in June

 

This question keeps cropping up. Basically, that 10W is excluding the Intel IGP, including which, would be 22W iirc. The 18W on the other hand, is including the Intel IGP since it's on the same chip (one of the reasons for lesser power consumption).

 

It looks like we can compare the U3400, U5400, and Core i3 330UM now.

Compare Intel® Products,

 

They seem very low spec, I doubt Alienware would include them?

 

well if this is true, ill beable to return mine and exchange it for a new one. im just wondering about price now

 

The Pentium U5400 and Core i3 330UM are possible given the price point Alienware is aiming at.

 

I hate to speculate... but if I had to guess which processor will be available for the m11x... it would be this one.. offers a small increase in performance with turbo. Again just a guess.

Intel® Core? i5-540UM Processor (3M Cache, 1.20 GHz) with SPEC Code(s) SLBUJ

 

isnt that 18W as compared to the 10W thats currently in the systems?
it seems like that'd impact battery quite a bit.

 

Well, that's 18W including the uncore - after all, the northbridge isn't included in the 10W TDP for the Core 2 Duo.

 

It might.. again this is based on speculation. To me the m11x breaks down to 3 areas...

A. Non-gaming (battery savings mode for trips)
B. Gaming - (battery mode) (performance vs battery)
C. Gaming - (non-battery mode) (straight performance)
note - substitute gaming with productivity apps or whatever...

18w will most likely impact battery. Depends what there market analysis for the m11x shows... I think they will find that lots folks with the m11x travel a lot and battery life is very important. This is all speculation until it hits the books.

Unless there is a huge increase in performance say over 25 percent ,than I am not worried about it. Meaning if I get 35 fps in crysis warhead on medium then I better get close to 42-43 fps after refresh.

BW,

StevenX

 

It would be 18W + the 5 W on the PCH. (23W)

It's 10W for the Core 2 CULV processor + 12W on the GM45 + 5W on the ICH9M. (27W)

 

I'm kinda wishing I didn't cancel my order now. The M11x looked good to me anyway, it doesn't look like these new cores will offer much extra. I only plan on the M11x being is use for 18months or so anyway. Then I'll get something new.

My dell order still shows In Progress as the status, how long does it take for it to switch to canceled? Do you think it is too late to cancel the cancel? LOL.
I'm tempted to just call them and either allow my existing order I tried to cancel be processed or create a new order.

What do you suggest?

 

Anyone knows like what will be the price of the Ulv i3-i5 and does it will have a lot of difference between the Su7300? And, it will be worth to send mine back and get the i3-i5 (I just will cant buy the i7 'cause its to expensive for me...)because i just order mine 11 days ago, and i will get it on the 02/06/10 (DD/MM/YY) (Also i dont really care to play on Very low settings, while it doesnt get lagged im happy )Btw, atm i have no pc...

 

Well the i3/i5/i7 ULVs are officially official now according to engadget. Intel claims a 32% performance increase over previous ULVs (I'm assuming they mean with the i7, marketing always picks the biggest, juiciest number) with a 20% decrease in power consumption and a 17 Watt TDP for all models. Looks like it could be quite the speed bump for the M11x, perhaps bringing it in line with some of the older standard wattage processors from the last generation?

 

hmm is it possible to buy just the new mobo and cpu and replace my existing one?

 

Here's some more from Anandtech.

Intel Ultra Thin: CULV Arrandale Boosts Performance and Reduces Size - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

Consumer Ultra-Low Voltage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm seriously expecting the Core i3 330UM on the base model.

 

Lol exactly what I was thinking.

 

OK, lets have a bit of sense here.

TDP if new CULV Core iX = 18W
TDP of SU7300 = 10W. TDP of 4500M = 8W. Total = 18W*
=> It's a wash.

PCMark Vantage of new i5-430UM vs. stock SU7300 = +30% (per Anandtech article).
Speed bump of m11x SU7300 once you overclock from 1.3 to 1.73 = +33%.
=> It's a wash.

The only variable is whether you can overclock the new CULV cores. I suspect its unlikely given Turbo-Boost already OCs by default. Also bear in mind that with Arrandale you are OCing both the graphics core as well as the CPU (total TDP at stock = 18W) whereas with current m11x you are only OCing the CPU (TDP = 10W).

Sorry, but as I see the numbers, dropping a new core i5 into the updated m11x will give you the same power draw and similar, or slightly slower CPU performance.

What exactly are people getting excited about?

J

PS Plus as any fule know for the majority of games (excluding multi-core hogs such as GTA IV), the m11x is more likely to be GPU constrained as much as its going to be CPU constrained. Think about it, the reason why this device can run newly-release titles despite having a CPU equivalent to a 2006 vintage desktop processor is because PC ports are not CPU constrained at this point in the console cycle.

* Admittedly the TDP may go up slightly once you OC, but as we know its not a big hit to battery life.

 

I would be more interested in it if they come up with a better GPU with it...

BTW, what's the point of having a better CPU?

 

well i guess some people want it to beable to play games like gta4 which require a more powerful cpu. and faster performance in daily tasks i guess XD.

i mean a better cpu wouldnt hurt would it? and i think the bottleneck in crysis is the cpu and not the gpu. dont quote me on that lol.

 

could it be an m15x power in the m11x size

 

Hang on, do you have a link for a 33% increase in performance from 1.3 ghz to 1.73 ghz? That's a 33% increase in clockspeed but that won't translate to a 30% increase in actual benchmark or real world performance much in the same way that SLI doesn't simply double your gfx performance.