How to pinmod and further overclock the M11x R1 (SLG= Hardmod only)

So it is looking like the 2.0-2.1 GHz range is the limit for the SU7300 (not that it is anything to scoff at compared to the original 1.3 haha) or at least the limit for the chipset

 

That's an 800MHz increase..that's like a 70%-80% increase from 1.3 and 50% increase from factory overclock..That's a lot..Which is why I wish to do it one day.. If stability is the issue, how do we try and get that? volt mods and mem timings?

 

yea its pretty awesome with the stock Vcore.

to bad we at the mercy of the Cas6 issue and not Vcore...

i want 2.4ghz so BAD! who knows tho, the chipset voltage may prevent this anyway.

however, i am VERY happy with 2.0Ghz. it gets the job done for sure. and thanks once again to all the people that helped out with this.

 

Just curious, did windows experience score for CPU increase? what is it? =)

 

If I get bored I may try this 2.0 GHz mod on my M11x. Just cant muster up the enthusiasm to take the whole thing apart right now since I have other projects to keep me busy

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...ock-m11x-r1-slg-hardmod-only.html#post7049388

 

Earlier in this thread a custom bios was mentioned as a possibility. I know how incredibly difficult that must be, but...... is that still being looked at? Seems like that would make everyones wishes come true.

 

indeed!

to be honest idk how to mess with that and unless i had way to reflash a "bad bios" i am too scared to try this on my M11x.

i already did one risky 1st time operation with the FSLx mod. i cant do it again...

 

Wow from 4.6 - 5.6..I'm wanting to do this mod more and more..:| just seems scary as I wouldn't now what to do if it doesn't work lol..Idk how to volt mod or anything..You didn't do any volt mods right?

 

The BIOS may be editable but I would not get your hopes up. More likely it can just be unlocked to show stuff that is currently hidden but is actually programmed in.

 

Thats what I would think. If other Alienware products have more functional bios, they would likely have just used that code but blocked access to the fun stuff. Why re-invent the wheel if they have a good bios to start from. So maybe this is still a possibility, but I haven't found anyone who admits to working on it, nor would I expect to I guess. Still imagine what these little machines would do with unrestricted multipliers, timing, and frequency control.

 

TheWiz and kizwan have some considerable bios editing experience. They have been working on the M17x R1 and R2 bioses and made some good progress (particularly the R2)

Hopefully the same can be done for the M11x R1

 

not tryig to be mean but please read ALL of my post when i awnser your questions. i already awnsered this stuff...

 

Is the M17x bios similarly gimped as the M11x? Thats disappointing. Well hopefully people smarter than me can put an end to this atrocity

 

Not gimped with an OC mode. Just alot of options were unlocked, like BCLK adjustment for non extreme cpus

 

i've tried to cut the TME pin but it not yet being fully cutted....

 

how to roll back the changes that are made when we cutted the pin??
i thought cutted pin cannot be set to default again......

 

solder it back into the circuit...

 

maddi2k got a 350x6 2.1Ghz overclock, so the chipset supports a pretty high BCLK. If the Asus UL30VT/UL80VT turbo33 method to overclock can be reverse engineered then that is the way to go. Their systems don't get their multiplier or VIDs locked by the chipset.. x6.5 and 0.9-1.05V is very useful. Consider 350x6.5=2.28Ghz if could do a 'turbo33' overclock.

Hoping scook9 can post the UL30VT/UL80VT RAM ratio settings when running under 'turbo33'. If it's running 1:2 then Asus just cranked up the PLL speed and compensated with slower RAM timings or are using some high grade RAM. If they are running 2:3 then the question is.. how did they do it? Might need to test one of their RAM modules in a m11xR1 in case it's got some magic up it's sleeves.

 

Forgive my ignorance nando4, but how much of that could be applied to m11x? Are you talking about a bios hack? I don't know anything about the asus.

 

It's figuring out how ASUS did their turbo33 overclock. That's only if they got a 2:3 RAM ratio, unlocked multipliers and VIDs all working at BCLK=266, then the question is how? If it's a 1:2 RAM ratio then they are just fooling the chipset to believe it's a BCLK=200, same as non-OC mode on a m11xR1, with the PLL cranked up to 266Mhz.

Let's wait for scook9 to show us the Asus 'turbo33' ram ratio and take it from there.

 

As far as I could tell all they do is crank the FSB from 200 to 266. Ram stays 1:2 so it gets overclocked as well from 800 to 1066. They do not drop the multi like Alienware is doing so you get 1.73 GHz in Turbo33 mode and 1.3 at normal speed. When not in Turbo33 mode you have the option of a 5% overclock in the bios.

The timings are just read from the SPD table and not manipulated by bios

 

Is TME unlocked? Probably just a software PLL write with voltage control.

Also, how did you go with BIOS modding? I asked Kizwan a while back when I had my R1 and he couldn't do much (to enable a 333mhz mode).

 

Sorry to bring back something you probably discussed, but is the 2.4GHz OC a lost cause? I mean it can never be achieved? I read a couple of pages back and I believe the RAM is the issue? What exactly is the issue on why we can't reach 2.4GHz with v1.1? Thanks, noob here..

 

The modding was mostly done by TheWiz at the bios-mods forum (he made an account here since he was doing alot of work for the M17x R2)

I cant say how it worked but I do know that SetFSB works properly with the UL80Vt so most likely TME unlocked

 

GS45 chipset datasheet tells us



Has anyone put 2xDDR3-1066 modules into their system? If so, what are the RAM timings when used in OC-mode? The chipset indicates it should run a 1:2 ratio AND supports CAS=3..8. So to overclock higher would mean increasing CAS, unless of course the bios blocks that for whatever reason. Is the bios trying to force 266Mhz BCLK to use 2:3 ratio DDR-800 RAM timings?

 

Every R1 has 1066mhz RAM and it runs at CL6 800 MHz in OC mode because of funky BIOS manipulation.

 

Funky indeed. Dell have equipped the system with DDR3-1066 RAM yet downclocked it to 2:3 ratio of 400/800Mhz when running the system at 266/1066Mhz. Unusual move for a 'performance' system.

So the avenue to look at for greater overclockability would be a hacked bios to change the RAM timings:

- allow system to bootup if set CL7/CL8 in the 400 or 533Mhz SPDTable. Reports in this thread suggest setting CL7 in the 400Mhz SPDTtable prevents bootup..

- OPTIONAL: boot using CL7 1066Mhz RAM timings (1:2) when in OC-mode. Would require Dell to fix the current performance bugged BIOS. You'd get your CL7 support that way.

Could ask "The Wiz" at biosmods.com, who did extensive work on the modded m17xR2 bios to do something if Dell don't want to help out. After such bios mods a overvolted SU4100/SU7300 might then be able to hit 2.3-2.4Ghz.

Without a modded bios then the only way U'd see people getting > 2.1Ghz then would be by soldering on a SL9400 or SL9600, run dual-IDA to give you more multipliers. You'd get up to 2.6-3.0Ghz as shown.

 

I'd be very excited for a bios mod. I'd even donate a bit for it and if others would as well, there may be some incentive for the team to take on the M11x.


To try concluding anything from the SLG TME testing I failed at, I'll post these questions:

Since pin 14 taken down with 10k, 100, and 50 ohms did not unlock TME (byte 9 stuck at E5), is it likely that any resistance between the pin and ground will not drop the voltage enough? Will the pin need to be cut or a dead short to ground? ICS doesn't need this so I guess I thought SLG wouldn't figuring the circuit would be the same.

Is it at all meaningful that byte 14 reads 01 until trying to change it, which then has it return 81 (266)? Is this at all a hint that software frequency control is might actually work if TME can be overcome? Why wouldn't it return 01 at all times?

 

I have kingston hyperx pc8500 in my system...

freq. 399
ratio 2:3
CL 5
tRCD 4
tRP 4
tRAS 12

taken from CPUz

 

My understanding is the stock RAM runs at CL6 and the system fails to boot if that RAM is changed to CL7. Now yours runs at CL5, so did you want to try to flash your 400Mhz SPDTable entry to CL6 and see if it boots?

If it does then if you TME-unlocked your PLL AND did the +0.1V or +0.2V voltage regulator pinmod, then you'd have the greatest overclock potential.

 

I have yet do do a pinmod on mine...
I do plan to once school is close to summer break and I won't be using it as much.


what would I need to do in order to flash my memory?



FYI, it is currently in "oc" mode IDK if it would change in non OC mode


EDIT: random thought... no one has tried the PC8500 hyperx?

 

4500MHD being an OC wall

Also does m11xR1 switchable graphics always keep the 4500MHD active? If so then the 4500MHD can become a OC wall. Applying these 4500MHD tweaks on my 2530P allowed a higher overclock ie: set powersaving mode=maximum battery AND slow Core Render Clock to the lowest setting available.

 

so if this guys M11x has the ability to run lower Cas timings... does that mean we can copy his Bios file and use it on ours?

or is it more likely he just has a different mobo revision?

Whitzac, can you please tell us when you bought your M11x? is it a refurb or new? thanks also can you post a CPU-Z screen shot of you Memory settings for us?

i have, but both kits i got from newegg had bad dimms that wouldnt even run 800mhz Cas6 and the other dimm failed around 1000mhz Cas6

 

You had the 1333 Cas7 kits though, he has the 1066 Cas5 kit I think

Different SPD tables.

And for the IGP, I think you can boot in discrete only which would disable the 4500MHD?

 

ahh. i see, my mistake.

i thought someone said the M11x didnt support XMP profiles...

if it does... these kits may work:

Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Laptop Memory Model KHX1600C9S3K2/8GX

Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Laptop Memory Model KHX1600C9S3K2/4GX

 

It does not, we are talking about the non xmp hyperx kits

 

I bought refurb 2ish weeks ago...


my bios is just the latest one from dell...




I know in my other laptop they had issues running at stock timings and 533mhz, raising any of the timings from 5 to 6(memset) solved the issue(it could have been the OCed q9100 and a crappy laptop but IDK)

 

thanks for all that info and screen shots!

so does this mean something good guys? or does it just mean that the M11x will run only lower Cas timings?

 

I could be a good thing for me considering it looks like I have the only PC8500 that will run at its rated freq/timings

I will probably pinmod it next month once I know that everything is working good...

 

so question, without this mod its impossible to overclock at all beyond 1.6ghz? is 1.73ghz possible without this mod? what about 1.8ghz? I dont own this notebook but this will help me choose if I will buy this. is it possible to break the notebook with this mod?

 

i guess nothing is impossible...

but the question you asking is kinda like asking how do you pick a lock with out lock picks?

the stock speed is 1.3ghz, with mode OC its 1.6ghz. to go higher on ether PLL right now you have to open your laptop and physically mod. some mods are easyier than others but ether way thats what your looking at.

 

so is there any long term damaging effects if I do this mod? side effects? I know my warranty will be invalid, but would it be invalid on the hinges? the main reason I want to do this is because I want to play bad company 2 on this laptop, with 2ghz is it playable?

 

The warranty is for the machine as a whole, not just individual parts. If dell finds out you did this, your warranty is toast.

There should only be long term damage/effects if you overvolt something. If kept at stock voltages the odds are that you should be fine

 

well i dont know if this is bad to say, but do they look at this part when they replace the hinges?

 

They will be able to see the motherboard and if the tech sees a resistor and some non factory soldering it is very possible he would report it to Dell. I do not recommend trying to commit fraud.....if you think you will need warranty service, just wait until your warranty is up to perform this mod.

 

My r1 can play bad company 2 just fine.... I have no mods other than the stock overclock.

 

ok well whatever, its sorta dumb that its all or nothing on the warrenty, then again I build all my desktops so its separate warranties on all the parts doesnt matter if I mod one thing doesnt effect another. anyways....

to the poster above: what are your settings and fps? and is this online or single player?

 

Uhmm, noob question, is 2.0GHz the highest frequency you can get at stock vcore (.9v)? And what's stopping us from getting to 2.4GHz? thanks..Sorry, there's just too much to backread on..I hope someone can answer my noob question..

 

No, higher frequencies are possible at the same vcore, it depends on the PLL type (SLGs manage 2Ghz only as they can't control the clock finely... either 333 or 400mhz FSB and 400 is unstable)and quality of the CPU. RAM speeds are stopping us from getting to 2.4Ghz as they are too fast for the timings and it's not possible to use slower timings.