M11x phased out... sorry guys.

hoping there will be a price drop soon then...

 

*edit*
Never mind, it's not worth it. Long live the m11x.

 

lol ivy bridge is 22nm.... so, we'll see.

 

Lol back at you clearly you do not understand DIE shrink 45 watt is still 45 watt no matter what the DIE size. If what the reviews are saying is true and the 45watt CPU's in these new models run above 90oC then what is the point in having one just to fry it when your running something intensive which pushes the load so high it throttles.

The m11x has a ULV for a reason, it works. Cooler and less than half the power consumption moving from Sandy to Ivy is not a miracle.

Quote the man himself who just bought one.

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If anything I reckon the 35watt is going to be the best option because 45 is going to need better cooling. The images I have seen do appear to show that the Sager has a good cooling facility, but how loud it will be god knows. Be like a mini airplane by the looks of it.

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Are you sure the M11x is gone??? I just configured one to ship on May 10.

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I guess you can still buy them until the stock runs out? I just remember 4/19 it disappeared and the links took you to a 'sorry, no longer available' link??

 

I just read an interesting story on Maximum PC...

Maximum PC | Dell May Rebrand Alienware M11x Gaming Laptop, Alienware Ultrabook Possible, Too

 

i dont think you know what your talking about.
3D gating is used to reduce temperatures and make it use less power. thats what ivy bridge uses. 3D trigates

 

Exactly. Not to mention that just because it's binned as a 45W CPU doesn't mean it draws 45W power. That is PEAK THERMAL power potential, nothing to do with idle or low usage power. It's borderline 35W/45W, but binned 45W because it didn't meet 35W criteria.

I liked the M11x, even owned one for a while. But that doesn't mean there's not other options available. People should be happy that there is an alternative.

I am curious to see if the whole AW ultrabook holds true though. Typically ultrabook means integrated GPU, but I guess a light dedicated could work. 640m perhaps. Or if Dell wanted to actually be adventurous, give AMD a shot. If Trinity shapes up the way they're touting it, the IGP should be more than adequate for 720p gaming in an ultra-thin form factor.

 

How did you find this model on Dell? The official Alienware site only lists an i3, no i7s.

Edit: Nevermind. Tricky Dell doesn't list them on the Alienware site, but dies list on Dell.com if you search by specific components, like 2nd gen Core i7s.

 

Ya think....again 45watt is still 45watt yes the new technology allows it to run cooler and draw less power but that is why they have set the clocks higher to make use of the new technology so the draw is still going to be similiar to the heat just that it can run faster in comparison to what the sandy bridge produced with lower clocks. Why would you have a 45watt CPU if it wasn't going to use that amount when it is flat out? It may only use it under intensive use but it still will use up to it when it needs to.

Same old argument comes back when you say that is not when it is at idle or low power usage why would you bother having a 45watt Quad CPU if you are unable to make use of its full potential in a gaming laptop? ULV for the win. M11x for the win.

As mentioned above you can eat your own words by telling others they didn't need a 45watt CPU in the same forum as the laptop you bought with a 45watt CPU.

There is no OFFICAL word that there will be no more M11x it may just be rereleased in a different format this is what I have been trying to tell people until ''you hear it from the horse's mouth'' dont believe it.

 

This right here tells me you don't understand what TDP means *AT ALL*.

And not to mention that the ONLY *approved* and *supported* Ivy chip available for the laptop is the quad 3610QM at the moment.

 

So going on what you are saying above that I am wrong by saying in simple terms a CPU that has a 45watt limit will draw upto 45watts should it require it. How is that wrong? and how about correcting me if I am wrong instead of mocking me if you are an expert.

I am a fanboy and proud at least I do not tell people one thing and do another.

 

just because the chip is RATED at 45 watts, does not mean its going to use that much.

just like this for example: i just bought an i5 3570k, and its rated for up to 95watts, but in normal usage scenarios it used 77w max.

 

Normal usage scenario for a 17watt ULV is around 9-11 so still it changes jack about my claim that the CPU is going to be more than double the power draw when they are both running high performance.

17 + 17 = 34watts of a 45 watt TDP. Take another look at your example.

 

I'm not a desktop fanboy, i prefer using a desktop is all. i work on laptops ALL the time. i work at a computer shop for christs sake. and btw, desktop cpu's and laptop cpu's are extremely similar. almost no difference besides how much power they consume and the way there cooled.

and that 45w cpu doesnt mean its outputing 45w of heat. you have it all wrong.

 

I think you are hearing what you want to hear so that you can argue with yourself. My claim just as it was 5 pages back ^^ is that at high performance the 3610QM will run at more than double the power draw of the 17watt ULV. Its simple math.

No mention of it running at 45watts at all so stop saying it. It will obviously use more than 34watts or it would have a 35watt MaxTDP.

 

no its not simple math, i originally confronted you about the heat, which you said it will run a lot hotter. im trying to prove that it wont. and you arent getting it.

 

Well I am done here I will leave you to think that a 45watt Quad will run cooler than a 17watt ULV. Clearly clueless.

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lol im not the one thats clueless. just because it can put out 45w of power, doesnt mean its puting out 45w of heat. i didnt say it would run cooler then a 17w cpu, i said that it will run cool and you wont run into temp problems.

Intel Makes 22nm 3-D Tri-Gate Tech for Ivy Bridge
there you go. read that.

ps. why would i go to desktopreview? i build computers, not buy stupid crappy OEM ones.

 

TDP is the "Thermal Design Power" of a chip. It isn't directly related to power consumption of the chip. It's the amount of heat energy the cooling system must dissipate to keep the chip below its Tmax.

Whether it's AMD, Intel, or nVidia, they classify chips in TDP "bins" for lack of a better term. In the case of most Intel mobile chips they're 13W, 17W, 25W, 35W, 45W, 55W. It's like a range, 13-16W, 17-24W, 26-35W, 36-45W, etc. So the 3610QM could possibly not be cooled sufficiently with a 35W TDP cooling system, therefore it's binned as a 45W. It may theoretically take only a 36W TDP cooling system, but they don't specify exact TDP's, they just bin them in the specified categories. Plus for every chip there are thermal ranges, so even if some met the 35W criteria, others may not. So in the case of the 3612QM, it's a 3610QM bumped down 200MHz and fits within the 35W TDP thermal envelope.

You could cool your entire system without spending a dime on electricity with enough heatsink surface area. It's not realistic, but just the point that you could cool a 35W chip without expending any energy at all.

22nm + Tri-Gate helps too.

 

yeah, the voltages on ivy bridge are insanely low compared to SB. thats another factor in how cool their gonna run. along with the Tri-Gates. ivy stays very cool unless you increase that voltage and overclock.

 

I am checking this everyday to see whether there's any update about M11x.
Thanks to you guys, I have just been wasting my time checking the arguments.
Try to keep focus on the discontinuing of M11x and fight somewhere else.

 

+1

Seriously guys, just pm each other. TDP has been clearly explained (thanks HTWingNut), and you were both wrong in your arguments and reference to wattage, wasting my time.

I'm here for discussion of the disappearance (and hopefully reappearance) of the m11x.

 

Quote to bring us back on track. There are currently 4 systems showing in results (US site)

 

They still list all of them if you know where to look.
Alienware M11x Ultra-portable Gaming Laptop - Specs & Reviews | Dell

 

Not to stray too off-topic, but Dell said something about an Alienware "Ultrabook" ... what do they mean by ultrabook? Are we talking like a tablet form factor, or something smaller than the M11x.

whatever it is, it surely won't be powerful enough to do serious gaming. The M11x has trouble as it is.

 

may i ask where you got this info from?

 

Dell May Rebrand Alienware M11x Gaming Laptop, Alienware Ultrabook Possible, Too

 

hmmmm, thats pretty interesting, thanks for the source

 

Well the "Ultra" line is already posted on Dell pages. I too have suspected the shift back to the XPS or similar. You can already get an Alienware "light" that is pretty good specwise EXCEPT for the video card.

 

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I actually think that it is possible that Dell is taking time to remodel M11x at the moment.
I've read reviews of how people appreciated the design of M11x R1 and R2 but not R3.
I guess people started to shift their taste to something much more thinner and less rectangular.
I really hope to see new design of M11x !!! ㅡif it is to be release though..

 

The problem with those theories is that they are opposite - There will not be any M11x remodel if the tastes have shifted to thinner & less rectangular. If SO, this backs up the XPS as a replacement for smallish systems rather than AW

 

If the discussion here is getting the right pieces of the puzzle, it does sound like there's a new product coming that would have been too similar to the m11x to justify having both products. I guess I'm ok with this idea in principle, but I'll have to see the product before I can pass judgement.

I didn't think I'd be as impressed with the m11x as I am. I'm prepared to be equally surprised and impressed with it's replacement ... but will be bitterly disappointed if they kill off my favourite machine without providing a worthy update/replacement.

 

well put iceman

 

I am definitely sad to see the m11x go. This machine as served me quite well. I bought this laptop so I wouldn't have to lugg my desktop accross the country and at the time the m11x R1 came out. I was a bit disappointed when the R2 came out a few months after I had purchased it. Nonetheless I am pleased because unlike the netbooks at the time, this thing can really respond like a regular laptop. I don't think this is the end of the m11x, I am sure the m14x is a bit too close in terms of size to it. So I am predicting a smaller model, I hope. \
Rest in Peace m11x

 

M14x is about double the weight. That's not really portable in my book. In my opinion, even M11x is a little on the heavy side compared to some other laptops of its size.

 

That's exactly the reason I am not purchasing M14. I still think it is too big and heavy.
I really hope they come with a new Alienware laptop that is for portability.

 

I am pretty okay with the idea that my R3 is unique and may be viable as a gaming machine for the next two years with most every new laptop coming out will be incredibly large out extremely thin. My question is if we know when the new MacBook air clones come out with ivy bridge and Intel4000, will the playability and graphics compare to the R3? How would games like the Witcher 2, Crysis 2, MW3, Metro2033, etc compare

 

Macbook Air sure you forgot to compare the prices

 

They are about the same price - $1000. I think the clones will be around $700.

 

I am still not planning on upgrading my sturdy little R1. It has served me very well while I have been deployed the past 5 months. I couldn't have asked for more.

I still can get 5-6 hours of battery life watching TV/Movies so I really can't complain. I will be patiently waiting for an Ivy Bridge replacement, but probably will wait until one can be had for under $800. I think my R1 can hack it until then.

ajslay, while I appreciate your fondness for desktop gaming, a portable gaming system is perfect for military life. I have lived overseas for over 6 years. Lived in Europe and Japan, and have had to deploy numerous times for months at a time. These little guys are perfect for my situation.

I would hate to build a desktop, only to have some local moving company jack it up when they moved us across the world. I have heard numerous stories of people getting their stuff lost or damaged while being shipped in a crate by a cargo-ship across the Atlantic/Pacific.

But to each is own

Once I settle down in the US, I will build my own desktop.

 

I have the M11x R2, and love it. Its the perfect size and weight to have either on my back while riding my motorcycle or to hook up to my car on road trips. More than once I've been able to stave off boredom by being able to play some L4D2 or some other random games without hassle or slowdown.

It was also the perfect size to take with us on our honeymoon and be able to store in the hotel room safe (PERFECT fit). It let us upload our submersible digital cam pics/videos at the end of every day without having to worry about it having a possible failure. It was able to let us skype back home to check in with the family. It saved me in the airport by letting me make a google voice phone call since we had decided to leave the cell phones at home (for fear of accidental crazy roaming data charges). And when it decided to downpour one day, I was able to play Machinarium and Samorost with the wife for a bit.

I'm honestly glad I got it and show it off all the time. It always gets looks and people interested in seeing such a small Alienware...along with jealous comments of them wishing they could get one.

 

Hello guys, I just wanna ask is the m11x R3 still worth buying ? I will use it as my main computer for some gaming and other simple stuff like browsing.... I'm confused because Dell discontinued this model so that's why I'm asking.. Thank you

 

Yup I love mine more and more each day and would not change it for anything runs games like a pro for such a small model at such a low power draw you just need to decide if you can give up slightly better performance (sager/clevo NP) for the additional features like cosmetics, backlit keyboard and a better warranty, it really depends what your requirements are.

You might need to look on the dell outlet or ebay to pick one up and dont wait because they will become obselete when people start picking up whats left and then people will charge a lot when selling them, like I will when I do

 

I've looked already at these Sager/Clevo but... I didn't like the build style and etc... One more thing that there's no good resellers in UK, so nevermind I already forgot about Sager/Clevo. So hopefully I'll go for m11x at the first week of June. And I never had a 11.6" machine, but more and more I'm dreaming about something portable like this, which I can use for my gaming purposes. How about the screen size ? How long took for you guys to get use to it ? But I still believe that I'll be happy with it, just need some advices Peace.

 

It took me like 5 minutes to get use to. It's really easy to get use to once you see how good it looks. I have not strained my eyes at all cause of the small scree.

 

I'd like to ask about your guys' thoughts on the keyboard's size and spacing. For those with large hands, do you think that the keyboard would be uncomfortable?

 

One of the best parts for me and easily as good as my full sized chiclet clevo board.

 

Easily feels the best out the the three laptops i currently have.

My hands aren't all that big but the keyboard certainly doesn't feel cramped or uncomfortable by any means.