M11x phased out... sorry guys.

I find the keyboard a little small for my liking, but that is why I'll use a full size keyboard when I'm home. Now if the keys were the same as the M18x I think I would have less to complain about.

 

It IS a full sized keyboard, the keys on the M18x have wider bases which makes gaps between the keys which i personally hate. Tested it out once and couldn't stand to type on it. the M11x keyboard however... Best notebook keyboard i've used to date, bar none.

 

Like I stated before, it comes down to spacing...

 

If you are torn between them take a look at HTWINGNUT review here of the NP model and my R3 review is in my sig.

I just read through it and gave it a big +1 for how in depth it is not to mention how very helpful it was in deciding what model you want to buy because it simply is performance at the expence of heat and less battery between them along with the lack of a backlit keyboard and fancy features my own personal fears were confirmed and I made the right choice.

He displays the temperature and the battery life which were the two things I was fussing over a while back in this post when people were being told to skip the M11x R3 and go for the NP and I was told that my ramblings were wrong to say it would run hotter and draw more power even if setup exactly the same.

The clevo/sager idles around 50-60oC and easily goes into the 80's and higher when under intensive use of course this is due to the Quad and more powerful GPU but in comparison to the R3 which idles in the 30's both CPU and GPU and I have never seen above 70oC from mine overclocked and flat out.

Secondly the Battery life is poor by any standards, tests by HTWINGNUT further into the review show that you are looking at around 3.5 hours at most from a 65wh battery even set to power saving low brightness and being careful up to a maximum of 4 hours and when under intensive use or gaming you are looking at 100 minutes shown in his tests results. Compare this to the 6 hours browsing when power saving on the M11x and the 2.5-3 hours you can get when gaming on the dedicated card there is no contest.

Average power consumption when running BF3 on the M11x is around 50-55watts and the tests show 89watts being drawn by the NP. BF3 shows a much better average fps increase over the M11x but looking at the frames produced in games like Skyrim the results do not show a vast difference to the 540M GT this could be due to the fact that the bandwidth of both cards are the same when running DDR3. The fillrates do show a healthy gain in comparison when comparing fermi to kepler but the bandwidth is still going to be the bottleneck.



Benchmark results clearly show a double increase in performance by the GPU and naturally a quad core 45watt CPU will make mince meat of the ULV 17watt we have in the M11x again it comes back to if you really need this performance in something so small.

Finally the lack of backlit keyboard and the similar poor screen that the M11x has when glossy and it still comes back to performance over what really matters in a netbook sized gaming model. Lets not forget as well that when warranty matters with something small running at temps that could boil an egg I would rather have my trusty dell warranty.

It did look good on paper though didn't it

 

Good comparison. Thanks.

However, a few points:

- battery life on mine is dismal compared to other reviews/users that are getting about 4.5 hours with 70% brightness and balanced mode, wi-fi on, over 5 hours with tuning. Not near M11x by any means, but pretty impressive. I'm getting my battery swapped to see if that helps. Just idle power consumption is too high.

In any case, I am able to get over 2 hours gaming on battery with BF3 with a little tuning, so not too shabby.

My SSD is also proving to be a power drain, worse than I thought it would be. I have a Samsung SSD coming my way to see if it improves battery life too.

- Temps drop quite a bit just by propping up the laptop back end. I just got done with an hour of BF3 and CPU didn't exceed 82C, GPU 72C. If I turn off boost, it drops to about 75-77C CPU and 70C GPU. Also if I turn off hyperthreading and limit CPU speed to 1200MHz, it drops another few deg C. We're looking at ways to turn of CPU cores which should reduce consumption by 1-2W at idle not to mention heat. The 35W 3612QM is running comparably in performance and temperature, so the 3610QM is only a 45W by technical standpoint defined by Intel, likely borderline.

- 540m is still a good GPU, no doubt, especially at 1366x768, but it gets back to the point that the M11x is no longer available. If you have an M11x R3 no reason to "upgrade" to the Clevo. But if you have an M11x R1 or R2 and like the form factor the Clevo is your best and pretty much only option.

- Dual core Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge are still an option, including possibly ULV if they make them in a FCPGA version instead of BGA like Sandy Bridge. Unfortunately Ivy Bridge dual core aren't due out for another month. But that should prove a viable option and overall improvement in battery life and temperatures. By that time though I may have my 3610QM tuned to run like a dual core with the option for quad core.

- Warranty. Sager has 2 year for $79, and 3 year for $149. It's not next day at your house service like Dell/AW no doubt, but it's affordable and a cheap insurance policy against failure.

- Finally, cost. If you can find an M11x R3 for less than $1000 by all means, if you need the longer battery life and/or like the backlit keyboard (definitely a desire of mine), it's a definite buy. Otherwise, you can get one of these little guys for < $800 with a dual core, and < $900 with quad core. Maybe less if you have components you don't want included like memory or hard drive and can probably knock off another $50-75. I recommend LPC-Digital. Larry@LPC-Digital was very quick at returning a cost, getting it cheaper than any other place, and getting my order to me quickly.

tl;dr

And just to be clear. I don't care what you buy. I really don't. I tried to keep my review as unbiased as possible, and I'm not even 100% satisfied with my Clevo. Screen could be better, but just a matte protector will likely satisfy my needs. Temperatures aren't an issue at all really because it's isolated so well. The air moving out the vent is hot, otherwise the rest of the laptop is completely less than lukewarm. Propping it up reduces CPU and GPU temps by as much as 10C at load. Battery life is disappointing but it's looking like my system is an anomaly and others are getting 30-45 minutes more battery life than me. Still less than ideal, but for most over 4 hours is more than adequate. Between a power sipping SSD, dual core Ivy/Sandy, and rumblings of Sager looking to offer a 9-cell battery, it may very well be easy to exceed 6 hours, likely over 7.

 

I'm agree. I've been checking up on this ever since I've heard about it. The only update I've heard so far in this thread so far is a rumour of a Alienware Ultrabook.

I actually had to create an account to say I had to filter through almost 30 pages of drivel to find this. The amount of unrelated crap that gets posted in this thread is disappointing.

Does anyone have any idea when Dell will pull the M11x R3 out of the shelves?

I'm don't want to wait for the details on the alternative [The rumoured Ultrabook] to come out and later find that the M11x R3 is unavailable through the Dell store.

This is in terms of the UK store. Thanks in advance for any input.

 

Already pulled from the primary channels in asia and US. You can likely still find it by direct link or search functions but there should be no expectation of availability.

If you want one better pull the trigger!

 

@HTWINGNUT

Thanks for the informative reply! I do not despise the Clevo far from it I just believe the M11 still holds its own very well and that was NOT a dig at you I do beleive you never said go for the NP over the M11x you said wait for your results it was others warding people away from getting an R3 before actually seeing what the NP can do. I will still consider getting one next year should they implement a ULV with Backlit keyboard and matte screen which is totally possible.

UK dell are still selling the deal on their website here. That is the I5 version with 4GB RAM and the Killer Card and 750GB HDD for £729.99. Be quick though.

I can see two on the UK Dell outlet now and several on ebay claiming to be brand new but I dont see them lasting and I wont be selling mine for all the tea in china so if you want one get them while they are cheap as they are bound to be a rip off when people realise they are hard to get hold of. If you do go for one get the I5/I7 the I3 just cannot push hard enough for the latest games.

 

I was hoping for an M11x R4 also because competition is good. It'd be nice to see AW one-up Clevo on this. Maybe they're waiting for dual core Ivy Bridge. But why stop building the current one? Who knows. I have a feeling they have something else up their sleeve.

 

Comparisons aside are you pleased with it? Any regrets?

I dont think we will see it in the UK anytime soon we have PcSpecialist and Rock who deliver our Clevo/Sager models and neither have announced it being available along with a couple of other unlabeled companies so we are still struggling with netbook sized gaming models removing the M11x is going to hurt us a lot. I refuse to get sucked into the Apple marketing, Cedertrail is a long way off the mark so that leaves us with ultrabooks and like you say a similar replacement to the R4 is probably likely in the same factor I just enjoy having the best of both not in the middle.

 

No regrets actually. Screen could be better but the Anandtech review posted today suggested an alternate screen and I might consider it.

Also, they claim battery life of "internet" at about 5.5 hours. A user review in the Aussie overclockers forum stated 5-5.5 hours as well. So I gotta figure out what's going on.

Otherwise, it's a great compact and powerful laptop that really doesn't disappoint in any respect. I'm sure with a little time, BIOS updates, driver updates, the whole battery issue and heat can be managed well.

If you have the M11x R3 I'd say you're set for a while, and something else is likely to pop up in the next year or two to compete/replace it. I really liked my M11x R1, kinda wish I never sold it. I also considered the M11x R3, but the cost put me off.

 

I bet I think I would have too, the majority of what I do is browse and general tasking and keep gaming for clevo along with having currently an addiction to Command and Conquer Tiberian Alliances which runs the OpenGl browser fine on the integrated my dedicated card gets little use so the R1 battery life is next to none.

Cost is high very high in the UK our problem is lack of choice sadly we see technology long after other parts of the world do and once they add on our customs and VAT it is the price of a spare kidney.

Roll on the M12x.

 

found this in the dell xps forum: http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-xps-studio-xps/666217-xps-12-5-tablet.html

i believe this was speculated in earlier posts in this thread and in here: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne...aming_laptop_alienware_ultrabook_possible_too

 

Ok... It's a tablet. Absolutely nothing about it has anything to do with Alienware or the M11x. Tonnes of companies have "transforming" laptops just like that.

 

If not and Dell actually thought replacing the M11x with tablet was a good way forward I will personally stab them in the face with a fork until all the stupid pours out.

I want a gaming masterpiece. 12 inch, 900p, matte, IVY ULV and GDDR5

 

Now that I'd buy in a heartbeat.

 

Sorry I forgot watercooled

 

Oh Gosh, a 12.5" tablet. I'm so excited, I could almost say 'Gosh' again.
Someone stab me with the village fork, quick.

• M11x
• 4" mobile phone with a 60fps GPU (circa Snapdragon S4 Adreno 225+) and HDMI/USB/NFC/VPN.
• Desktop rig with mega much to much GPU and multiple IPS monitors.

I don't see an Ultabook (with no discrete GPU) or a tablet filling any gap in my line up.

I'm so glad I got an M11x (all be it an R1 [good battery but]) before all this insanity started.

Mind you, that said, I would look good in a Kenzo suit, Dolce & Gabbana shoes, holding a Dell tablet/Ultabook and pointing at something in the distance, with a confident look.
Or even standing next to a Nissan 350z with a Stillen supercharger, holding a Dell ultabook/tablet and point at something in the distance.

See, ultabooks and tablets do have there place.
Just nothing to do with real computing.

 

I know that this is not a good place to ask, but I'm confused about which one to get M11X or MBA 11... How is the build quality of M11x ? Does it have some gaps somewhere or something like that ? Because I was reading that there is a gap on the top of the screen where you can see inside of it And the left side of the keyboard is a bit higher, is all these things true ? How about the thickness and hinge ? I want to make a good decision.. and now there is extra 10% off for all Alienware systems, so if I'll go for a m11x the price will be only £630 and it means £220 less than refurbished MBA 11.. Please help me

 

Comparing a MBA at the M11x is like comparing apples to baseballs. Besides the screen size, they have nothing else in common. You could stack up 2.5 MBA's to reach the thickness of the M11x, But the M11x is much more powerfull. Since you're considering geting a Mac, I assume gaming is no a priority at all for you, so the extra graphics power is inconsequential. But the build quality of my M11x R3 was very good, no gaps or distortions.

 

If you like Macs, get the MBA.
If you like Windows and/or games, get the M11x.

Both have a very good build quality.

 

The thing is that I never had a Mac. And I'm not a hardcore gamer, my games are Minecraft, Diablo 3, WoW, TF2 and something like that.. I'm just looking for nice and solid 11" machine But if I buy M11x I'll be able to use it for more serious games..

Thank you for reply, and one question.. Are you using your M11x as a main/primary computer ? If Yes, is it doing it's job right ?

 

Well the MBA isn't going to play Diablo 3 or WoW at anything more than low settings, whereas the M11x R3 plays both on high. I play both on my M11x R3 (in sig) as my main machine and it's great. In fact, my M11x R3 replaced my G73JH (an actual desktop replacement, also in sig) as my main machine and i play everything on my 42" plasma @ 1920x1080 via HDMI.

Regulars here see me say this quite a bit, but it stays true - If you get the M11x you will never regret it, but if you don't you'll always be wondering "what if?".

 

[/QUOTE]Thank you for reply, and one question.. Are you using your M11x as a main/primary computer ? If Yes, is it doing it's job right ?[/QUOTE]

I use it as my primary now, hooked up to a 23" monitor. As a gaming computer I've been able to tackle anything I throw at it with Medium/High settings except for Witcher 2 and a few other games that are CPU intensive. For an in depth review for anything you'd need to know check out: Review Alienware M11x R3 Gaming Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

 

This post made my day. Just finished coffee and now I'll point at something in the distance! Although I'm in boxers, and without a tablet, I am hoping that just by pointing I can still capture a small slice of the good "look".

Thanks Vibes.

 

Too true, I what iff'd until the R3 and then bit the bullet just at the right time. I was going to hang for the R4 but fate made me choose the R3. I too find myself using my M11 100% more of the time than I use my Clevo, it really is just for video editing and world of tanks now everything else is the little monster. It is there waiting for me on my armchair when I get home from work, when I wake up, and it probably gets more attention that the mrs also.

 

Hey guys. I'm not sure if its ok to post it here but I'm getting this M11xR3 and just wondering if I got a reasonable price with it.

Dell sales rep priced it for $1,100 (after haggling) and he threw in an AW backpack and an extra 3 months warranty on top of the 1 yr.

Stealth Black with Soft Touch Finish
Intel Core i7 2637M 1.7GHz(2.8GHz w/Turbo Boost, 4MB Cache)
4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz
11.6" High Def (720p/1366x768) with WLED backlight
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT540M graphics with 2.0GB Video Memory and Optimus
750GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s

Is it worth getting the I7 for the above price or should I downgrade it to I5?
Thanks guys!

 

I think that's a good price personally. I got the i5 and everything else stock for $1,015 in September of 2011. I think that's a great price. I only have a 340gb HDD.

 

Thanks. I am also reading some old threads and saw most GT540 has 1GB memory. My setup is showing 2GB so I'm wondering if its a typo or what. Is there really a 2GB 540? Thanks.

 

Yeah the i7 comes with 2gb GPU.

 

For the record the I7 is the only reason to upgrade for the extra 500mhz when both cores are engaged the additional 1gb of VRAM will never be used the card is not powerful enough, that is similiar to Asus marketing adding more VRAM and claiming it makes a difference.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love my M11x (R1) but at that price check out the Sager NP6110. For about $900 you'll get a more powerful machine then any M11x. It has a better GPU, a quad core ivy bridge i7 and 8gb of ram. Even if you opt to save $100 and go with the i5 dual core it should still own the R3. Check out this guys review. He did all sorts of benchmarks etc. The best prices and options seem to be from XoticPC.

 

This is all true but do not forget to inform others of the bad points which Htwingnut kindly included in his review and in the responses that followed, the battery lasts nowhere near the M11x R1 half in some instances and a good 2 hours less than the R3. It also idles at 60oC currently and peaks above 90oC so it requires a BIOS update and you are limited to what performance you can gain from it because when really pushed it will throttle if the temps get too high, when flat out at high performance drawing up to 90watts the battery will be worthless so being 11 inches to be portable is a waste of time when the battery lasts no longer than my 17 inch Clevo.

People go for the M11x for the main points of why you want it having all of the Alienware features backlit keyboard and warranty and the way it looks and then you have low power draw meaning longer battery life and performance on the move while not going above 70oC. Once the Clevo/Sager adopts the new IVY ULV and the fan issues are fixed up and they add a backlit keyboard the M11x will be no more, currently it still wins in my eyes.

 

Thanks for the link. I read the reviews and it is really interesting. It kind of made me think twice honestly. But there are some really important factors why I am considering the R3.

1. Its for my wife She really like my M17xR3 and she has been asking what is the smallest size she can get from AW. - although it will be her laptop, I also intend to use it though hehe.
2. SB/IB CPU doesn't really matter as I am not expecting so much about an 11 inches as I have my main 17 inches R3 anyway. And for my wife's personal use, I think SB is not far behind IB.
3. I know this is silly but I honestly dont think she will like how it looks I know she's been trying to throw some hints about how she like my R3 then suddenly I'll give her something too different in design. I dont think its gonna be good for my personal interests
4. Battery life is one of the deciding factor. We love going to places and about 2 hours more battery life from R3 is a big plus for us.

The only other thing that caught her eyes are the Zenbook and the XPS11. But those are more expensive and has nothing more to offer than the R3 IMO.

 

If I'm playing skyrim on battery power it is extremely laggy. Is this normal?

Tom.

 

First go into the Nvidia control panel and check it is running on the dedicated GPU.

Then go into the power settings -> advanced power settings and change:

Min CPU from 5% to 100% when running on battery and also plugged in.

At the bottom you will have Graphic Power Settings switch that from Power Saving to high performance or balanced.

This will be because when you are running on battery it will half your shaders and clocks to save power.

 

Awesome. Cheers for that Yiddo.

 

So till I got my last money which I needed for new machine and with this god damn decisions... Now there is no chance that I will get M11x R3.. But I found on ebay manufacturer refurbished, can you guys take a look and tell me if its still worth it ? Or maybe you know where I can get it elsewhere under +- £700. Thanks.

Alienware M11x R3 Laptop Core i5 2467M, 8GB DDR3, 500GB, NVIDIA 540M | eBay

 

You're only getting about £100 off retail price there. If I were you and your not in a rush I'd wait until one pops up on the dell outlet, I saw an i5 on there for £550.

 

Aye that would have been the one l bought In the end got it for £490

Regards.

C.

 

Actually at this time I'm on rush because I missed out one good thing so now I'm afraid that it will happen again. Just asking if its safe buying on eBay refurbished items like this? It's says that is Manufacturer refurbished, believe it or no And if it's true there will be no problems to deal with dell if something happens ? Thanks.

 

Bargain!

I would imagine so, take a fine look over his feedback and the items he's sold before. You'll probably find a few alienwares or similar machines with positive feedback. I've bought plenty like this before off eBay. One thing I recommend is to send him an email, tell him your worries. Question about a possible return and refund if you're not happy. Question about transferring the warranty and make sure he has the current owners details so you can successfully transfer it. If anything was to then go wrong you have it in writing from him and can use that if need be.

Another tip, should you want to save a little cash would be offering him a lower price outside of ebay to save him paying fees. You can even recommend doing the deal through another website to protect you both. Or if you're not happy with making a deal outside of eBay then just offer him a lower price and you will pay right now, you'll be surprised how many people will just go "yeah, ok, why not".

Good luck!

 

Actually Dell has the M11x back on the main webpage. I wonder if they are planning to release a newer model soon now?

 

It never left the uk web page. I guess they want to keep it up until all stock is gone.

Tom.

 

Yea there is.. but only with i3 and i7 processors.. i3 model is not worth the attention ? Because i7 is a bit expensive for me, even with the coupon. Thanks

 

Alienware M11x R3 i5-2467M 1.6GHz 4GB 750GB 1GB Nvidia 540M Stealth Black Laptop.

A little cheaper from the USA.

Or

Alienware M11x R3 Laptop Core i7 2637M, 8GB DDR3, 750GB, NVIDIA 540M.

Failing that you could spend £1,408.45 on the i7 R3 sitting in the outlet atm

Regards.

C.

 

That i7 phased me too. Why is it so highly priced?! It must surely be a mistake. Maybe you could contact someone and get it highly reduced.

 

Alienware M11x R3
Alienware M11x R3
Processor: Intel Core i7-2637M(2.80 GHz w/Turbo Boost,4MB Cache)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium
16.0GB, DDR3-1333 SDRAM
750 GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
11.6in Widescreen High Definition (1366X768) Truelife WLED
English Genuine Windows 7 SP1 Home Premium (64Bit OS)
Wireless: Dell 375 Bluetooth Card
Wireless : Killer Wireless-N 1103
LCD Back Cover : Nebula Red (WLAN)

That is probably with this little monster cost so much

Regards.

C.

 

I understand that it is a high spe but it is still massively overpriced. The one we are talking about on the outlet is over £1400 with vat and delivery. It's £200 cheaper if you buy it brand new.

Unless I am missing something?!

 

Sorry tom never thought to price it up unless the red soft touch costs £200 lol

As Custard should have said.....RunAWAYYYYYYY!

Regards.

C.