Gtx 460m?

Any chance the M15X will get this card upon release?

 

A chance... sure, but its complete speculation until anything more solid shows up (especially since the cards have yet to release)

 

Yeah, I figured I was a little early, but still hopeful. I'm just curious.

It will fit though? Compatibility issues? Projected TDP concerns? Optimus support probability?

 

I'm going out on a limb and saying it will perform just as well as a 5850.
So you want a card that would be more expensive, more than likely run hotter just for PhysX and CUDA cores?

 

In my experience Nvidia cards play nicer in Linux than those from ATi. Also, I want to explore all options before making a decision to upgrade. I don't game as much as I encode, so Physx is moderately important to me.

 

Nvidia just needs to friggin lower their damn mark-ups. Gpu specific drivers, physx and CUDA are what makes nvidia unqiue... but its definately not worth all the extra cash... especially when ati cards in the same class "usually" outperform them.

 

When it does come out, it will only be as powerful as the 5870 at best. I'm guessing it will be between the 5850 and 5870, so probably not much an upgrade if you already have the 5850. Though drivers might be better...

 

GTX460 Review was released today, GTX460m is based on GTX460 right? this should be good news if true since the GTX460 power consumption/noise/heat was lower than GF100 cards, plus it's faster than GTX465 and cost less !








Also from the review

Quote "It is worth mentioning that, NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 460 in this product has finally added support for audio output on the next generation. Using the HDMI output interface cards can support Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master audio output."

 

it would be nice to see the M15x with a 40nm nVidia card

 

those results are not showing a 5850 vs the 460 so i don't take those with too much weight at all. also after seeing that the 480m needs 100watts idk how much the 460m will need 80 watts plus maybe

 

Here you go

This card is a beast, Faster than GTX465 and cost less with Less heat/noise/power consumption.







Radeon win here but it cost more anyway, i expect Ati to drop prices soon



Temperature


Power consumption



cooler operating temperatures, lower power consumption, and a damn near-silent fan. No question, the GeForce GTX 460 1 GB is the way to go there. Add 3D Vision support, Blu-ray 3D capabilities, CUDA, and PhysX, if you can see yourself taking advantage of those features—none of which AMD really has an answer for yet.

The really surprising thing here is that, even though the GF104-based cards aren’t the lowest-power in our review, they operate at the coolest temperatures and do so using remarkably-quiet fans. In fact, there wasn’t much difference between the acoustics at idle and under load


Full review here Conclusion : Nvidia GeForce GTX 460: The Fermi We Were Waiting For

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the mobile 40nm chip will be based off of the GTX 460 desktop version, probably a lower spec'd Fermi chip.

It is nice to see that Nvidia is rounding Fermi into shape, however little or late it may be.

 

It will be based on GTX460 but obviously it will run in lower speeds.
But yeah Nvidia is taking forever, 5870 was available since January and still we don't have a decent Nvidia Fermi mobile card, (GTX480 is a joke with 100watt and overpriced like hell)

ati will properly release 256bit 5870 as a refresh since the current one is 128bit.

 

To be quite honest and I hate to burst your bubbles but I don't believe the M15x will see the 460m simply because of power constraints. The M17x however may see it, but I'm willing to bet it will exceed the 65w put on by the M15x.

 

You're talking desktop cards, laptop cards are a different breed. The mobile version will be based on a mobile fermi chip, which is different in many ways from its desktop brother, mostly that it requires less power and puts out less performance. It's hard to say how the 460m will perform until it's released, but desktop benchmarks are irrelevant for now, since we aren't talking about a desktop card here.

 

Don't our GTX 260's consume 75 Watts?

 

They consume 65, but some users have installed 280's, and they use 75. Although with those throttling problems, I wouldn't bother trying any card that is over 65.

 

GTX460m specs was already leaked before official GF104 got released and they were spot on.
GTX480m was based on GF100, GTX460m will be based on GF104 (the new Fermi with lower heat/power consumption/noise)

GTX260m already consume 65 Watt but the heat produced by it was massive, GTX460m heat can be lower than GTX260m since GTX460 run very cold without any serious fan to cool it (actually it got the best temperature for Any worthy Directx11 card atm)

if Asus Can pull GTX460m in 15 inch laptop and whisper quite with no fans noise (according to asus) so can alienware unless they want to lose money (Xotic and Gentech already Confirmed GTX460m for G53 in the asus forum)

 

Sweet... My hopes are hanging by a thread.

No pun intended.

 

Lower temps are always welcome, even though the M15X cooling system is solid to say the least. I'm most worried about how much power it draws at this point.

 

If you look at this chart again you should get an idea


The different between GTX460 and GTX470 is huge (GTX480 even use more power !) so GTX460 will properly consume as much power as GTX260m if it was my guess.

But why do you care about power consumption if it run cool? Battery?
the crazy 100Watt GTX480m give you better battery life than 5870 at idle.

 

I'm a student, who usually has his fair share of 3 hour classes. It'd be nice to have my laptop survive the entire class.

What do desktop power consumption figures have to do with the mobile versions?

 

@HSN21 please stop posting desktop card numbers i was asking for mobile card comparisons. also we won't know until an actual system can be tested with a 460m(mobile) gtx not a 460 gtx. desktop (does not equal) laptop. also the 480m will always outperform slightly as it was designed to beat the 5870m which is why nvidia was late with releasing it.

 

To be honest this thread is very misleading since it's all for desktop cards.

@HSN21: No one is against you, we'd all love to see the 460m in the M15x, and we'd all love to see it perform outrageously. But, first of all, this thread should likely be in the gaming section of the forum, and not in this forum.

Secondly, until it is actually released and tested we can't say much on how it will perform. It's all speculation and should not be in the M15x forum.

Finally, just my opinion, but in order to see how the GTX 460m will perform, its best to look at the 480m and work your way down from there. And I don't think based on what I've read, the 480m is all that much greater than the 5870m, meaning the max we can expect from the 460m is for it to be on par with the 5870m, which can already be put into the M15x if you want to.

 

well... the 480m outperforms the 5870m, but uses almost double watts doing so....

So i'd agree with battousai and say the 460m will match up with the 5870m... so i wouldn't get too excited about it... apprently it should be released near or around september from what i've read... while the 5870 has been out for about 2+ months now...

SO unless you REALLY want physX and CUDA.... make your life easier and just get a 5870m. They're the way to go if you ask me

 

For the million time i do get it, i never said GTX460m = GTX460
I'm just telling people GTX460m WAS CONFIRMED to be based on GTX460 GF104

what this means that the card wont use a massive power like GTX480m which was based on GF100 Cards (GTX465/GTX470/GTX480)

What this means the heat/power Consumption/noise will be much lower than GTX480m and performance for the 460M is yet to be seen but it seems that it will be a decent card.

 

The GTX 460M if based on the GF106. This is fact.

As proof, a screenshot from the Asus G53's Device Manager:

 

if there is a gtx 470m it might be gf 104 maybe 240 cores = 192 bit/256bit

as gtx 460m = 192 cores 192 bit

i would really love to see a mobile version of desktop gtx 460 1gb 336 cores/256bit it will beat the current gtx 480m and consume less heat and power as desktop gtx 460 beats 465 also highly oc able maybe it will be gtx 485m/490m

 

Why would Nvidia base a theoretical GTX 470M on the GF104 architecture when they already have GF106 in the works?

 

Because GF104 has turned out to be awesome? There's a reason for Nvidia's scrapping of the GF100.

 

here is what is known (or thought to be known) about the gtx 460m
Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M
which is not very much

 

While you can always quote desktop statistics of the card that it's based on, we'll have no idea how good the GTX 460M really is until one is released.

The core concern will be the power consumption. As others have said, the maximum the M15x can take (without issues) is 65W, and we have no idea how much power the 460M will consume yet.

We also don't know its clock speeds. It might turn out that to fit it in a mobile form, they had to really drop the power of the card.

So until we see some more stats and benchmarks, then we really have no idea if the 460M performs well, or if it'll even work with the M15x.

 

Clock speeds:

 

I think the N11E-GS is going to be a powerhouse, to be quite honest.

 

I still want to see the GTX 460 in laptops. This card is the best Nvidia produced in years in terms of performance per watt and even beats ATI in this respect. I cant understand why Nividia didnt just skip GF100 based GTX 480M and went straight for a GF104 based GTX 480M it would have taken only one or two month more but such GTX 480M would have beaten the Mobility Radeon HD 5870 in any regard.

 

well if all of this is true. I would consider having the gtx 460m in my M15X

 

Any news on the GTX460M - this possible potential card keeps me from ordering my M17x.

 

We don't have power consumption figures, all we have is TDP which is the amount of heat the heat sink needs to dissipate. MXM3.0B only allows 75W's of power draw from the connector.

did you read the first page? The only company mass producing the card is medion, and they're not even shipping yet . There are no other OEM's using this chip.

 

tbh, when you look at the spec of the mobile cards, you better focus on the number of cores they have, not the names.

for example mobility 5850/5870 , they have 800 cores , so they are just DX11 supported 4850/4870s with lower core frequencies, ofcause there are modifications to make them better then mobile 4850/4870, but number of cores showing they are not 'real' 5850/5870s.

480m (352 cores)actually is a destop GTX 465 (352 cores), with much lower clock frequency.
460m has 192 cores (if true from that pic) then it is a destop GTX 260 (not +)

in 2xxM series nvidia only renames the chips (like 128 core 280m, which is a joke, 128 core is a 9800 GTX+)
it is good to see nvidia using GF100, which is a new chip in this generation, at least finally we can have a 'real' Fermi card on the market.

but (GF106) 460m, having 192 cores, cannot tell if that is only a modified version of GTX260 or a new chip from fermi ......

well, but a GTX 260 should be enough for the games in these days,except those graphic card killers........

 

The nvidia CUDA cores are dual process cores, so they can process vertex and pixel's at the same time, where as ATi unified shadders can do 1 operation at a time, so they're both about equal, and the 480M has a slight hardware advantage, the nvidia drivers do the rest.

the 9800GTX M was 96 cores acutally. And using previous generation hardware with the current naming scheme has been happening ever since discrete graphics cards have been available in laptops. Would you really want a 300+ W GPU in your laptop or would you rather settle for a 60-75W perfected previous generation one?

It's not G92 , it's Fermi based. G92 does not have Directx 11 support nor does it have more than 128cores, it's fermi. Technically G92 and Fermi are all modifications of G80.. but then again All ATi cards are basicly just modifications of R600 too. Just like Current Intel processors can trace back to being based off the Pentium Pro.

 

To be fair to Ati, their 5850/5870 is from their 5770 desktop. They are not akin to Nvidia in lying about the origins of their cards, at least not lately. All their series numbers are correct. I give a lot of credit to Nvidia for making the gtx 480m out of the gtx 465. They usually hang one edition back on mobile cards, but this time they are closer to the desktop than Ati. I know it is a style thing, and like everyone else on this forum, I am awaiting this card, or a price drop in the gtx 480m, but I give credit where credit is due, and I think Nvidia's mobile approach has been more dishonest, while Ati simply won't support their card with free updates like Nvidia will (barring something like the grey screen of death).

 

If you look closer at nVidia's mobile GPU advertisement and naming scheme, its filled with lies. As a matter of fact, I prefer Nvidia, however lately(like last 1,5 year) they messed up.
Just like 260m wasn't based on 260, I don't think 460m will be based on 460.
I think 460m will help fill the gap between 5850 and 5870.
nVidia's biggest mistake is being so slow on DX11 cards. ATI has already given its DX11 cards to most game developers and game developers(i.e: Crytek) are developing their games based on those cards and specially optimized for ATI ones. So practically, ATI is doing what nVidia was doing in past. And if you don't believe, just please search about the fact behind "The Way It's Meant To Be Played" motto.
ATI will -unfortunatly because I was an geforce fan lol- dominate the games that are to be released between 2010-2013(atleast). Between 2012-2015, we may see an DX12 or a total movement to 3D or PhysX system, which will change the market for good. If you are buying a card for next 2 years, ATI is the way. But if you are buying it for next 4-6 years, just save your money lol.

 

me too... plus it's been how long since 5870m 5850m released and how long do we have to wait till gtx 460m released? i think there should be new model other than m15x m17x coming out with gtx 460m.

 

Just like the Mobility 5870 is based on the 5870? Oh wait...

Repeat ad nauseum for the entire Mobility 5000 line of products.

 

I just explained that naming schemes have always been like this in laptops, it's not lying by any means. The 260M was the second best Nvidia offering at that time, so the naming scheme reflected that.

Nvidia is going for bigger things, like Tesla CUDA cards and more workstation oriented stuff, they're taking the longterm big bet rather than win the small battles all the time. 1 TFLP computing power on a single 16X PCIe card for $1200 that scales 1:1 ratios with other cards and can run 12,000 threads simultaneously per card with no overhead is awesome in so many ways.

 

@Kevin_Jack2.0
I didn't say ATI isn't doing the same thing but atleast their versions are more closer to the desktop ones. To be hoenst, nVidia cards are usualy better due to driver support however my point was the power balance is going to shift to ATI for a while then who knows.

@Lozz
Most people buy those cards without even thinking "hey thats the mobile one, not the original one". Thats what I meant, of course both ATI and nVidia aren't actually lying lol however both them and computer manufacturers are using this backside(or whatever you call it) in marketing.
As you just explained yourself, nVidia is mainly focusing on more scientific part of stuff. This doesn't mean nVidia won't focus on cards for gaming as it did in past, however this just means for a while ATI will dominate the gaming rigs.

nVidia was always the company that gave new technology cards to game developers first however this time ATI acted faster and gave its cards. If ATI can actually get the drivers in track and physic core sorted, we may see ATI taking nVidia's throne for a longer time. ATI should have focused more on physic and driver support than Eyefinity.

Other than ATI and nVidia, I'd like to see a third company rising and joining the war lol. Wouldn't it be fun to have 3 options(excluding poor intel ones)? xD

 

The GTX 480M is based on the GTX 460, the GTX 460M should be based on the GF106 chip (cut down GF104).

 

Yes, technically it's true you're getting less, however the alternative is to strictly stick with desktop naming, and no one wants to buy the '9800GTX' when the 280 GTX is out, it doesn't make sense and would be a consumer nightmare. Just like you pointed out, the consumer doesn't know any better, so what makes you think explaing that the '9800GTX' in their laptop is actually the best that's available, even though the 280 is avaliable for desktops ,is better than the current marking ploy?. It doesn't work imo. Its confusing to most people that are aware of it, and believing it would work for people that buy solely based on naming schemes is a dream.

I would hope they would be first considering they have a billion dollar company supplementing them .

 

@Lozz
No comment on a rival for nVidia & ATI? lol

 

you meant like an alternative to them? Nvidia and ATi's only rival is Intel, and Intel has been crushing them for more than a decade in terms of pure market share. The last hurrah for niche discrete markets laied in the S3 Chrome S8 GPU, but it was utterly compromised with catastrophic driver support and an overal weak high-end package. You can still find Chrome products around, but they're mostly into low-powered or Value for money markets. I'm sure we'll see another 2-3 or even 4-5 years of unified shader core increases until the next big thing hits. It's basically what they did from the Geforce 256 To Geforce 7900GTX anyway, and that went on for 6 years. The only problem of course, is having die surface area the size of half dollars and photo lithography limits, so eventually they'll have to think of something else.