Lol, your deal is pretty good, maybe try to get a upgraded wifi card at no charge, I would go for it![]()
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Anyone have a recommended rep they want to PM me?
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Hey so I have an educational discount, should I apply that when I put the item in my cart?
Anyways I was looking at an Alienware M15x with an i7 740m processor, 4gb of RAM, 900p LED Screen, ATI 5850, 250GB Hard Drive, 9 cell battery (everything else would be the default).
The cost of the system is around $1700 with my student discount. Could I haggle that down to say $1500 or so? I also have to say that that initial $1079 price is really deceiving, because it would be a way better idea to get an M11x at that price then the M15X.
I'm debating between the M15x and an ASUS G51j, the M15x has a better cooling system, looks better, is made out of better materials, has longer battery life, BUT costs $400 more then an Asus 51j with a free mouse, 2gb more of RAM, and a 500 GB hard drive. So I would like to get the price down. -
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Any new coupons for the alienware m11x and for accessories?
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. Check out the forum rules I guess.
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yea if any coupons exist that are not epp. I have seen people post things like they signed up for some mailing list to get likea $50 coupon where would I be able to get something like that?
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can someone at the very least link to the dell link where it has the i7 4gb ram and hd upgrade all done for $1100. I saw it once but can't seem to find it anymore
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Just ordered an M17x-R2 and got a total of 19.8% off MSRP through EPP!
$3233 before any discounts, $2593 total price after negotiating for 15 minutes. The normal EPP is 10% off. The Dell Home site is offering 15% on $2899 and above; which is a better deal than EPP 10%. Robert, in EPP, matched the Home 15% and then took an additional 2% off. I then inquired about the EPP $100 coupon code (expires 7/31) and also got that. He had to go clear that with a manager. I then tried to get the 3% off using Dell Preferred Card but no go on that. I was still able to get 0% for 1 yr and free 2nd day shipping. I also will be purchasing 8 GB 1333 RAM and a 500GB Seagate Momentus 7200.4 w/free-fall sensor HD. I could buy them cheaper elsewhere than the upgrade price on Dell so I ordered the cheapest HD and cheapest memory config from Dell. This gives me a second hard drive plus 4 GB ram (2 x 2GB) as spare. It came out being a cheaper price than if ordered as part of the system.
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reminder: please do not post EPP coupon codes. see forum rules.
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dcronshaw, nice job on the deal. Glad to hear the haggling worked out. That normally proves the most difficult for people.
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Below is my order with 4 yr advanced warranty. I also ordered from other sources a 500GB Seagate 7200 rpm drive and 8 GB DDR3 1333 10666. The reason is because I could order each item cheaper from other sources than Dell was charging (even with the 19% discount) to upgrade to both items. Someday, I may upgrade the CPU. I was not sure if the heat sinks are the same for the 720QM and the Extreme 920XM or 940XM. I asked Joker in a different thread if he had any issues with his 940XM.
224-8107 1 Space Black - Anodized Aluminum
317-3657 1 Intel Core i7 720QM 1.6GHz (2.8 GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)
317-3663 1 4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3)
330-7841 1 Alienware M17x 240W A/C Adapter
320-8856 1 17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 RGB LED (1200p)
320-8988 1 Crossfire 1GB ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5870
342-0666 1 250GB 7,200RPM SATA-II HDD
330-3924 1 Name Plate Engraving
330-6106 1 Personalized Nameplate Trigger
313-8791 1 AlienFX Color, Mars Red
421-2261 1 Alienware Command Center, M17x
421-1400 1 Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
420-9691 1 DataSafe Local BackUp
420-6436 1 PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
410-1883 1 ADOBE READER 9.0 MULTI- LANGUAGE
313-8569 1 Slot-Loading Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BR-ROM, DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
421-1304 1 CyberLink PowerDVD 8.0 Software
421-1305 1 Nero 9 Media Burning Software
313-8944 1 5.1 Channel Audio
430-3739 1 Intel Ultimate N WiFi Link 6300 a/g/n 3x3 MIMO Technology
330-6348 1 Automatic Updates: On
950-7447 1 4 Year Limited Warranty
980-5878 1 CompleteCare Accidental DamageProtection, Inspiron, 4 Year
908-2108 1 Dell Hardware Warranty Plus On-Site Service, Extended Year(s)
908-2207 1 Dell Hardware Warranty Plus On-Site Service, Initial Year
907-3733 1 Third Party At Home Service, 24x7 Technical Support, 3 Year Extended
922-3410 1 Third Party At Home Service, 24x7 Technical Support, Initial Year
421-1719 1 Soft Contracts,Consumer Complete Care,Alienware
421-1724 1 Soft Contracts,Dell In Home,Alienware
990-4683 1 Warranty Support,3 Year Extended
994-3730 1 Warranty Support,Initial Year
430-0628 1 Bluetooth 2.1 with EDR
330-5090 1 Thank You for Purchasing AlienWare
421-2611 1 AlienGUIse Theme Manager with Breed Theme
421-1586 1 Alienhead Chrome Red
421-1596 1 Alienhead Chrome Red
421-1359 1 World of Warcraft Preinstall Edition
463-0742 1 Special Pricing Applied
* AW:
Subtotal: $2,593.00
Shipping and Handling: $0.00
Total: $2,593.00
Drew -
Oh man I am so excited right now I just sealed the deal on the m17x and am now going to officially be an owner of these beasts! These were my specs:
Intel Core i7 720QM 1.6GHz (2.8 GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)
317-3663 1 4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3)
330-7841 1 Alienware M17x 240W A/C Adapter
320-8856 1 17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 RGB LED (1200p)
320-8988 1 Crossfire 1GB ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5870
342-0667 1 320GB 7,200RPM SATA-II HDD
The total came to 2374 out the door with free shipping and NBD. Thank you for this thread the information was incredibly helpful in getting the best discount possible. My rep was also extremely nice and did anything he could to make sure I was satisfied. All in all I'd say this has been one great experience :] -
you couldn't get the 740qm?
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None of the x40QM nor x40XM processors are available from Dell factory installed on the M17x-R2 in the US. Not sure elsewhere, I assume it's the same.
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Don't rain on my parade. Much like what the guy above said it's not being offered in the U.S. at the current moment but I'm going to be buying the 940XM shortly anyway so regardless it's still going to work out either way.
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nice yea i was wondering why that is since the M15X has it offered.
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The Forerunner Notebook Virtuoso
How long does it take to get the epp newsletter $50 coupon? I signed up like 30 minutes ago.
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Just a heads up to people buying a extra year warranty I hope you know usually when you buy electronics with a credit I know visa for a fact. Visa gives you their own warranty on the product no matter what happens to it Visa will get you a new electronic device.
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1 Space Black - Anodized Aluminum $2,193.48 $2,193.48
1 Intel Core i7 620M 2.66 GHz (3.33GHz Turbo Mode, 4MB Cache)
1 4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3)
1 Alienware M17x 150W A/C Adapter
1 17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 RGB LED (1200p)
1 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5870
1 250GB 7,200RPM SATA-II HDD
1 CompleteCare Accidental DamageProtection, Inspiron, 4 Year
I think those are the important details.
(Taxes and $19 shipping INCLUDED)
Price Before Discount - $2,852.85
Price After Discount - $2,323.11
18.6% off total. 20.45%if you count the $50 gift card included with 4 year warranty.
I did everything through Live Chat.
Added my configuration to the cart as recommended. This is very important to save time.
At first, I had 3 year complete care warranty selected so the original subtotal was 2717. Clicked live chat and asked if I could get this config for $2300 after taxes.
They simply said the best we can do is $60 off. Well, that sucked, so I tried again later with another live chat rep.
They said exactly the same thing.
I then tried through EPP since I have a AAA discount. This built in discount is 10% off. It brought my subtotal down to ~2450.
I went to live chat and asked if I could get this for $2300 after taxes.
The EPP rep said he was going to check for "manager's specials."
A few minutes later, he comes back with a quote for $2323 as soon above, but with the extra year of warranty. I asked him to email me the quote and he did, where you can just check out online. Not sure how long it was valid for.
After I had the quote, I went back into live chat with non-EPP and asked them to beat this price. They said that they cannot, and quoted me $2508 for the same config.
I took the original $2323 as I was satisfied.
I did not say anything haggling related besides "Can I get it for this price."
EPP reps, who I think are in USA, have better access to discounts.
Later on, I'll probably go back in and see if I can get Next Business Day like some of you have hehe.
Thank you for this thread. I had no idea you could do this with Dell.
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you should wait a couple weeks as the 640m proc is coming soon
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Hey I was wondering if you thought this was a good deal:
Software & Services
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Intel® Core™ i7 740QM Quad Core Processor, 1.73GHz (2.93GHz Turbo Mode, 6M Cache
1GB DDR3 ATI Radeon™ Mobility HD 5730
15.6-inch WideFHD 1920x1080 (1080p) WLED
4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3)
500GB SATAII 7,200RPM
Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
Primary - 9-cell (85Watt) Lithium-Ion Battery
Wireless 1520 802.11n Half Mini-Card
Personalize
1 Year Basic Service Plan
My Software & Accessories
Alienware M15x, Cosmic Black
AlienFX Quasar Blue
Alienhead 3D
Steam and Portal™ Factory Installed
Automatic Updates: On
Also Includes
Internal High-Definition 5.1 Surround Sound Audio
Internal Bluetooth 2.1 Mini-Card - 2.1 Enhanced Data Rate
Standard Nameplate
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How much of a discount did they give you tarantjt? I plan to order mine this weekend and it will end with almost the same exact specs.
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with absolutely no discount at all you are looking at $1853, but with standard discounts it goes down to 1603, so about 150 dollars of haggling done. Do you think this is worth it, I have been trying hard to get this to 1400.
P.S. the Dell reps are super annoying or at least this one, literally called me 8 times today leaving multiple voice mails, after I said I will not answer tomorrow by phone email only lol. -
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Roughly 20% seems to be near the top end of discounts so your deal looks good tarantjt.
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Ordered mine today
224-8215 1 Alienware M15x, Cosmic Black
317-3839 1 Intel Core i7-620M 2.66GHz (3.33Ghz Turbo Mode, 4M cache)
317-2401 1 6GB Memory (1x 2GB, 1x 4GB DDR3)
320-0934 1 15.6-inch WideHD+ 1600x900 (900p) WLED
320-8991 1 1GB DDR3 ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5730
341-9754 1 500GB SATAII 7,200RPM
330-6174 1 Personalized Nameplate
330-6106 1 Personalized Nameplate Trigger
313-8792 1 AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue
421-1590 1 Alienware Command Center Software
421-1400 1 Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
420-9691 1 DataSafe Local BackUp
420-6436 1 PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
421-1572 1 Alienhead Glow
410-1883 1 Adobe Acrobat Reader 9.0 Multi-Language
313-8565 1 Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
421-1305 1 Nero 9 Media Burning Software
313-8944 1 5.1 Channel Audio
430-0686 1 Intel WiFi Link 5300 802.11AGN Half Mini Card
330-6348 1 Automatic Updates: On
312-0205 1 Primary - 6-cell (56Watt) Lithium-Ion Battery
950-3339 1 3 Year Limited Warranty
905-4468 1 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus At-Home Service, Extended Year(s)
905-3017 1 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus At-Home Service, Initial Year
905-3182 1 In-Home Service after Remote Diagnosis , 2 Year Extended
906-0700 1 In-Home Service after Remote Diagnosis , Initial Year
421-1721 1 Soft Contracts,Banktec Care,Alienware
993-8582 1 Warranty Support,2 Year Extended
994-3730 1 Warranty Support,Initial Year
993-8552 1 CompleteCare Accidental DamageProtection, Inspiron Desktop, 3 Year
421-1719 1 Soft Contracts,Consumer Complete Care,Alienware
468-7979 1 $25 Dell Promo Gift Card - Arrives in 6-8 wks, carries a 90 Day Exp. Dell.com/giftcard
421-1359 1 World of Warcraft Preinstall Edition
421-1360 1 Steam and Portal Factory Installed
421-2611 1 AlienGUIse Theme Manager with Breed Theme
430-0684 1 Internal Bluetooth 2.1 Mini-Card - 2.1 Enhanced Data Rate
330-5090 1 Thank You for Purchasing AlienWare
after discounts :: 2041 after tax. They threw in my Orion bag for free as well.
reg price no discounts :: 2633 after tax -
my opinion drop the ram to 4gb and get the ati 5850 trust me it will go a long ways and you can get a 4gb stick from the nbr marketplace for $75. The video card is key to make your system last a long time. In UK some people used QUIDCO to get cash back 10%. Also if you can spring for it get the 1080p screen if you like the extra real estate and detail in gaming. The 5730 ati will be fine with the 900p resolution but the 5850 will tear it up and it has amazing overclocking capabilities and GDDR5 versus GDDR3 in the 5730. -
yea I honestly didn;t notice that till now, they changed it on me. Called them back and had them fix the video card and 4gig.
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After some extreme haggling, I was able to get an additional fifty dollars off and free shipping.
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I just realized about a hour or so after placing my order, I used my chase card. I get points for the purchase that will give me around 100-150 dollars back on my card haha.
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Guys,
I'm going for my 2nd Alienware; this time trying to get an M11x for my wife. Current config I've worked out is putting it close to $1100. Just wondering if there's any good discounts going on or what's the best way to get a discount on an M11x right now.
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Intel® Core i5 520UM (3M Cache, 1.066 GHZ with 1.866 GHz Max Turbo Frequency) - Overclockable I5520UM 1 [313-9773] 2
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit) AW7HP6E 1 [420-6436][420-9691][421-0092][421-1400] 11
1GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 335M 1GBNIV 1 [320-9857] 6
11.6-inch WideHD 1366x768 (720p) WLED NWANBLK 1 [320-1467] 5
4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 800MHz 4GB 1 [317-4706] 3
250GB SATAII 7,200RPM 250GB72 1 [342-1322] 8
Dell External 12.7 Tray Super Multi Drive 313-9669 1 [313-9669] 5621
Bluetooth Module, 2.1+ Enhanced Data Rate TM370I 1 [430-8555] 606
No Internal WWAN Antenna Installed NOWAN 1 [430-3773] 114
Internal High-Definition Surround Sound Audio (5.1) IS 1 [313-9958] 17
1 Year Basic Plan S1OS 1 [421-1721][922-2597][929-5570][950-3337][950-9797][994-3730] 29
Alienware M11x 90W A/C Adapter 90W 1 [330-9945] 4
Integrated 10/100 Network Interface Card NIC 1 [313-9856] 14
1.3MP Web Cam CAM 1 [330-8995] 21
Alienware M11x, Soft Touch Stealth Black P2STBHN 1 [224-8847] 1
Alienware Orion Portfolio Case for M11x 3460820 1 [A3460820] 5868
Alienware M11x a/b/g/n 2x2 MIMO Wireless MIMO 1 [430-3796] 19
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Alienware Landing
they have one all the way on the right for $1099 it has
i7 640um
4gb ram
320gb
what is your total with out extra like the case and cd rom drive just the laptop only. check out the alienware promo page and check out dell epp for discounts for where you work or AAA or military -
It's been awhile but I have an English speaking representative ready for new clientèle
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I found two good Dell deals on Ben's Bargains today;
Link:
Ben's Bargains - Coupons, Bargains, Freebies
1. Coupon:20% off any Refurbished Laptop or Desktop at Dell Outlet
Dell Outlet is taking 20% off any refurbished Laptop or Desktop with coupon code 9RJ5SV0QB$$GTM [Exp 9/10]. Outlet shipping is free on any refurbished laptop or desktop.
20% off any Refurb Dell Outlet Printer w/ code K$90CK9SXLTPDM
Dell Outlet link:
Dell Outlet Home & Home Office - Refurbished Computer - Refurbished PC - Refurbished Computers | Dell
2. Coupon:25% off any Item $399+ at Dell Financial Services
Ends today. Dell Financial Services is taking 25% off any item $399 or more with coupon code DFS25#Labor$399. For items under $399, take 20% off with code DFS20#Labor$398. Cannot be combined with any other coupons and applies to online orders only.
Dell DFS Link:
DFS Direct Sales > Dell Refurbished Laptops`Used Laptops`Used Notebooks`Dell`PCs`Desktops`Monitors`Parts DELL Deals -
224-8107
1 Space Black - Anodized Aluminum
317-3657
1 Intel Core i7 720QM 1.6GHz (2.8 GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)
317-3664
1 6GB Memory (1x 2GB, 1x 4GB DDR3)
330-7841
1 Alienware M17x 240W A/C Adapter
320-8856
1 17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 RGB LED (1200p)
320-8988
1 CrossfireX 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5870
342-0677
1 640GB Raid 0 (2x 320GB 7,200RPM HDDs)
330-3924
1 Name Plate Engraving
330-6106
1 Personalized Nameplate Trigger
313-8797
1 AlienFX Color, Terra Green
421-2261
1 Alienware Command Center, M17x
421-1400
1 Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
420-9691
1 DataSafe Local BackUp
420-6436
1 PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
410-1883
1 Adobe Acrobat Reader 9.0 Multi-Language
313-8977
1 8X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive,QuickSilver
421-1305
1 Nero 9 Media Burning Software
313-8944
1 5.1 Channel Audio
430-3739
1 Intel Ultimate N WiFi Link 6300 a/g/n 3x3 MIMO Technology
330-6348
1 Automatic Updates: On
950-3337
1 1 Year Limited Warranty
908-2207
1 Dell Hardware Warranty Plus On-Site Service, Initial Year
922-3410
1 Third Party At Home Service, 24x7 Technical Support, Initial Year
950-9797
1 No Warranty, Year 2 and 3
421-1721
1 Soft Contracts,Banktec Care,Alienware
994-3730
1 Warranty Support,Initial Year
330-0171
1 S and P Drop-in-Box Marcom forDHS Notebooks
430-0628 1 Bluetooth 2.1 with EDR
330-5090 1 Thank You for Purchasing AlienWare
421-1360 1 Steam and Portal Factory Installed
421-1359 1 World of Warcraft Preinstall Edition
* -DISCOUNT/COUPON APPL
Subtotal: $2,359.80
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That is a good price, take it
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Thanks for this thread! I ordered an m17x R1 using some coupon codes I found online. Then found this site and this thread and ended up cancelling that order and instead got this:
Space Black - Anodized Aluminum
Intel Core i5 520M 2.4GHz (2.93GHz Turbo Mode, 3MB Cache)
6GB Memory (1x 2GB, 1x 4GB DDR3)
Alienware M17x 150W A/C Adapter
17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 RGB LED (1200p)
1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5870
320GB 7,200RPM SATA-II HDD
Name Plate Engraving
Personalized Nameplate Trigger
AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue
Alienware Command Center, M17x
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
DataSafe Local BackUp
PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
Adobe Acrobat Reader 9.0 Multi-Language
8X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive,QuickSilver
Nero 9 Media Burning Software
5.1 Channel Audio
Dell Wireless 1520 802.11n Half Mini Card
Automatic Updates: On
CompleteCare Accidental DamageProtection, Inspiron, 1 Year
Dell Hardware Warranty Plus On-Site Service, Initial Year
Third Party At Home Service, 24x7 Technical Support, Initial Year
No Warranty, Year 2 and 3
Soft Contracts,Banktec Care,Alienware
Soft Contracts,Consumer Complete Care,Alienware
Warranty Support,Initial Year
5GB DATASAFE ONLINE 1.1 FOR SDO/DIM/INS/XPS
DATASAFE ONLINE 1.1 5GB
Bluetooth 2.1 with EDR
Thank You for Purchasing AlienWare
Plant A Tree - Notebook, Netbook, Laser & Inkjet Printers, LCD Monitor Offset
AlienGUIse Theme Manager with Breed Theme
World of Warcraft Preinstall Edition
For $2074 before tax. This is with a 10% EPP discount even tho my company doesnt qualify.
I called the number listed in the first post after hours and got a rep from Inda/China/wherever reading a script off to me who said I did qualify (I think she just wanted to make a sale?!) but just got her to send me an email with the info in it. I used that to configure what I wanted then called during regular hours and got an AWESOME North American rep (anyone wants his contact info, PM me) who got me the system I wanted with the EPP discount even tho he couldnt find my employer in his system. I also got free next day shipping, as the online configurer showed the system shipping later than my original order would have and I'm going on vacation at the end of the month. I think he was able to expedite the build as the new system is showing to deliver before the original would have even shipped.
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I bought mine last monday with an eta of 22nd this month from Dell UK. The guy was super helpful and knocked off 600£ from the final price. Ie from 2900 to 2300.
Following are the specs
Nebula Red
840qm
RGB led
4gb ram
Crossfire 5870m hd
370 blutooth
6300 wifi
500 gb hdd
Mind you it's UK Dell. So don't compare the price with US standards as it's expensive here.
Here are the details of the rep (with his permission ofcourse) for any fellow UK buyer.
Vijay Kumar
Email: [email protected] ( please mention in the email you got his details from this forum as I have already told him so he will understand)
What I do is usually send him a mail with my number and ask him to give a call back. He usually calls in less than 5 mins.
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steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate
I can personally vouch for Vijay, (as oneabove and hubs have posted) for UK Alienware.....
He is the vey best rep I have ever dealt with regarding Dell / Alienware.
This guy goes "the extra mile" to make sure that his customers get the very best deal possible. Trust me, I have dealt with some reps who dont want to do a thing to help out but with Vijay, the man is an absolute star.
Ive spent hours on the phone with him talking over various specifications and each time, he has gone and done his very best to see what the best deal would be on them.
He calls back when he says he will, he is available to get on the phone, he returns emails quickly (ive had some who dont even bother do do either).
All in all, I cant sing his praises highly enough.....if there were a gold medal for Alienware, Vijay would have lots of them LOL
I wont post details about the deal that he has arranged for me but I will say that it was REALLY good....
If you want to deal with him, he will reply to your email request I am sure and his email address is [email protected]
If you do email him, again you should say that you have been referred by me, and state that you got a referal from the notebookforums. Just tell him Steve Jones referred you....I am positive he will do his very best to get you the best deal available at that time.
Vijay, if you read this, THANKS SOO MUCH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP....if i ever get round to visiting, you can show me around!!! - I will hold you to that!
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is it possible get these reps to give us a sweet deal by talking to them just by email?
Because my speaking English is not that good so I cant haggle to much -
steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate
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Try the online chat, setup what you want online first and save it, this way the rep can look at it too.
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Got about 20% off my M17x. -
Offering my sales rep info again!
PM for info
AW/DELL Ordering Advice - How to save $$$
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