Alienware forums...

Accident that wasn't. They simply flushed respect I had for the brand down the toilet.
At least they know what a decent machine should be equipped with.

 

Yeah alienware make some damn pritty cases theres something i like about the triangular one thou & i don't know why but every time i pictures of it i want to cut windows out of that side panel would look so much better but the GPU's at an angle like that make me worry i find the amount of droop in the 980ti strix in the misses desktop worrying enouth but at an angle as well eck no thanks

 

A51.com: "We reimagined this system from the inside out, & built it without compromises. It is an engineering marvel & a completely new experience that performs true to our legacy of excellence". True to your legacy alright.

No Sir. With compromises.
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You realize what these are, don't you? Pre-production CGI. It was supposed to get a 38mm cooler & a 3rd case fan. Bean counters said:

• "those parts compromise our bottom-line, but, the CGI pads our bras. Don't cut paychecks to change it ... keep it, just cut the hardware'
• 'built without compromise' was pre-production jargon too ...
• 1500w psu & case harness cables drip with compromise
• Compromiseware

Get on any AlienTube press video, their buzz-word is 'Optimal Thermals', they sound like parrots, huh? How? The cooler you get is 25mm & 3rd (lower) case fan went bye bye. What we do Mobius, pay these Aliens $28 for the fan + bracket VNPD3 (bean counters held them hostage, $28 ransom). Finish it off with the 01YGW 38mm Aurora cooler you own:

- the paths to optimal thermals -​

I haven't done it, but, mount the cooler-rad so it can intake cool air, turn a case fan around to exhaust, good experiment. I'm like you Mobius, I have a pair of MicroCenters within 20-30 minutes of me. I love that place. Love the return policy too.

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with my Triad ( his name is KAL), I already looked into 'how' to do a window, & funny enough, someone else 'saw' the best way also. This is the 'optimal' way to keep the led's & the hex-pattern. You don't need etched acrylic, but it helps, damn right it does. They stole my design idea, I'm glad they did. Now they need to offer it to the public (I messaged them, with no reply ... retards ... they could make a fist-full).

Below, you lose the led's but gain a larger looking-glass window; this is due in part to the rear of the panel, which needs a special & involved shadow-box mod (note the custom 'filler' trim pieces between window & panel), this is due to the 'convex' shape of the door relative to the rear metal mounting plate. The shadow-box is necessary, which is why they used it here. The prior tri-glyph window we saw doesn't need a mod like this. I'm posting these because they're the 1st window-mods I've come across in 18months of looking online.

like Timothy Leary said: find the others ... find the others ...

Miami to Area-51: the 20-year history of Alienware
('the Legacy' - or - how far Jailienware has gone backwards)​

 

yeah with windows its damn nice, would like to do something a bit cleaner, clear acrylic windows the size of the acrylic peaces, you just cant see enough in that mod, think i saw that in tek syndicats pax video for an alien ware comp. not to keen on the gpu covers

https://teksyndicate.com/videos/epic-case-mods-v1-tech-pax-east-2016

yeah abit to in your face for me

 

What's more is that in the top right image, it shows a Gen 5 38mm Asetek cooler. What we got is a Gen 4 25mm cooler.

You can see a Corsair H80i GT / Scythe Apsalus IV (25mm) / Arctic Freezer 120 is a Gen 5. The tubes directly enter the pump head without a swivel mount. -> http://www.scythe.co.jp/cooler/apsalus4-120.html

Look at what we got at launch? A measly 25mm gen 4 (or worse) cooler that has an extremely loud fan to compensate the lack of heat dissipation capability.

And I believe that the fan bracket VNPD3 is 28$ from Dell from what you said? That's really expensive for just a piece of plastic. And you have to peel off the blocking sticker from the 3rd fan slot to utilize the mounting slots.




My issue regarding the area51 (ignore that the I/O cables are sometimes too short).

1. The case isn't big enough to properly accommodate a Noctua D15.
2. The PCI fan slot is lower than how the GPU is mounted.
-This presents a problem with EVGA's hybrid cooler, as it's not advised to mount an asetek cooler with the radiator at a lower point compared to the pump system.
3. HDD slot limited
4. Usage of radiators mounted at the Intake slots will heat up passively cooled components on the motherboard.

 

We'd like the stock psu to have a 140mil fan to help toss cfm's of air to some nth degree out the rear to cool those mthrbrd components. Oh well. VNPD3 comes with 120mm Screaming Delta, but as you say, noisy beasts. And why anyone would pay the pitiless emotionless Grey Aliens $900 US for FuryX is beyond me (charging an extra $100 over 980Ti 'in case' your pump fails - yet - AMD must've been on their hands & knees giving those away to Colonel Dell / Major Azor to offer more than just the basic $100 R9370, oh well) but at least we know hybrids shipped from the factory. AlienAndy UK has blazed a path over on Owner's. Now he needs a window, sleeve the cost-saving bare naked factory harnesses & straighten his cooler logo. Mthrbrd & cooler swap, just yank it all

- find the others -
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wow i never realized how small the inside of that case actually is, for some reason id always thought you would be able to get at least a slim 360 rad along that font slope and a 120 underneath but with the fan spacing you would need to drill all new fan mounts to even fit a 260 & even then id expect the air flow to be awful

yeah from that radion one with the corsair psu looks like you would want to cut your own custom length cables as well (alouth it does look amazing the blue & red would be nicer if the cable runs were shorter make it a lot cleaner looking. dose the motherboard tray not have cable cut outs & grommets?

yeah i love there cases with and with a bit of work they look so much better it would of been nice if they had made something to tuck the cables down out the way, i dunno like the had holes to tuck them down in and around the back plate then out the bottom (the one coming out the back of motherboard / GPU / mains in) like the evga gaming case prototype
it would make it look so much better especially with the shape of the a 51. would of made it a bit larger too so would be even better for building a fully water cooled rig as they would have had to make it larger to have that same look

 

not to be a ass but unfortunately not a lot of cases fit that cooler it does have like 140 fans its bloody massive (but an awesome air cooler) 165 mm tall!

yeah you should never mount a pump lower than the reservoir in any hydrloic system. in aio watercoolers they normally put the res in the radiator (a few put them on top of the pump/water block) as you can burn out the pump

 

If it can't accommodate the best air cooler, they shouldn't have marketed the chassis as "the best gaming desktop"

 

Haha spot on

 

@Cass-Olé

VNPD3 is bracket + fan? I thought it's bracket only? And you can only obtain this from dell?

 

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it has cut-outs, yes. that is a skt 2011-v3 mthrbrd tray, no confirmation yet if z170 mthrbrd works (cpu backplate mounts ez, maybe yes maybe no). Below, a guy I helped, Sabertooth x99, only pic he ever sent, h100i gt, custom mounting of some sort he never fully explained

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VNPD3 is a replacement top fan assembly. $27 for the fan, $1 for bracket. Dell only. Over on Arena, they talk about how they get the fan/bracket, plug it into the XJKKD mthrbrd, can't control fan: mthrbrd + CmndCntr are gimped, on purpose. Only an Alien would make a mthrbrd that can't run its own case fan down here on Planet Earth. And charge you $550 for it, ain't that right Mobius.

 

Pfft, can't buy bracket only. Another way to milk the customer for a part of product they initially advertised to be available with the laptop.

X99 / X79 doesn't need rear support bracket thankfully, just mount 4 screws onto the motherboard and you're good to go!

 

Today's proven that even the GM of Jailienware has a sense of humor, mostly. I was on AlienBook splash-page & ran smack-dab into a fellow grey Alien Elitist whom I suspect's @andrewsi2012

In the Khan video they've posted, we're asked to guess whatever it is inside the case that spilled out after it was destructed:

awesome sauce
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nice work from Down Under there mate:
let old Frank know that's not a knife
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As I went on walk-about next, scrolling down under the comments section in search of other awesome levels of trollsmanship, I came across this one:

optimal trollsmanship
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Apparently old Frank's sense of humor stops at awesome, since that one post was deleted / hidden from the timeline in short order; funny indeed how they can't take destructive criticism these days; I screen-snipped these two posts for posterity, saved the photo before it got disappeared from public view:

Spoiler: Between the Finger & Thumb

I see what the troll was getting at, I think. On the left: optimal & on the right: sub-optimal sell sell sell !!!

we're glad you got a public rise out of the GM mate, & helped make @Mr. Fox a lil' more famous:

Spoiler: FoxRox

bing wallpaper yesterday, I likes it ... hop on Alienbook Señor Fox: tell old Frank whatcha think's in that darn case so's we can sees your level of trollsmanship: awesome? optimal? ban hammer? get in while the gettin's good brother

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Open up a can on AlienBook fellas: NBR AMA Round 3
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Open season...

Funny how Frank calls what was constructive criticism, 'trolling' now these new 'flagships' are out.

I left a little message.

 

If anyone has contact with MR. AZOR... Tell him to take a look at the NBR forum. Surely a lots of people who have tagged him in threads. Lots of reading material if he want know what we mean about his new direction!!

 

Don't call me a troll, I'm not on those forums (The Alienware forums there that expect donations to run thier site/forums) If I troll a post here and there, - listen- just tell me so, maybe I came off the wrong way, but i am not a troll, not concerning things of business or computers. Videogames - that's entirely different. Time and place for things - but I will be first to admit when I'm trolling.
Sheesh, I hope people don't think I'm some Alienware troll, really. I mean i give my personal opinion, and even theorycraft from time to time, but I'm not a Troll.

 

The amount of tags he's got on here would probably crash his new Dellianware if he dared log in

 

Dang... I didn't think about that. He must use a desktop instead. It is not certain he even use a AWBOOK!!

 

Look at ideastorm, once the enthusiasts left all that remains is just scammers selling viagra.

 

Summertime Alien Watching
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AlienBook of Days​

Dear Diary ...errrr... Journal: remember to immerse yourself with something beautiful playing in the background to help untwist from the pretzel in your head after current events.

This is the 20th Anniversary of the marriage between the words Alien & Hardware. Or as I call it these days: Alien Hardware. After 4years of this, I've come to learn that when one buys from this company, they'll be buying hardware that acts alien to the market for several reasons, price is just one factor.

Below, find a long discussion on desktops. Area-51 & Aurora have all had their mother & daughter boards special-made by MSI ... who was 1st to the market to offer their entire X99 lineup as Broadwell-E certified & ready: The Bios updates were delivered April 11th, ~2months before Bwell launched. A source of pride, & very good press for their effort. All manufacturer's soon followed suit.

Area-51 motherboard?, still, still can not run Bwell: it's the last X99 motherboard on Planet Earth that can't run it. An Alien amongst the Human Race, if ever there were one. Human Alien buyers will be the very last homo-sapiens on terra firma to adopt Bwell. Paid the most $ for it, found themselves last in line for it. To become Bwell-ready across-the-board, assume MSI was hard at work as early as March, in direct communication with Intel. What have the kuh-razy Grey Aliens been doing since March? MSI did their entire line-up, where-as they only have one, one, count it, one mthrbrd to support. You the reader can form your own conclusions, the implications are vast once your mind explores it all.

MSI, in fact all other brands, have updated some of their X99 boards to Broadwell & 2016 specifications, adding new features & emerging technologies that the Haswell-era boards didn't include. I expected for the Aliens 20th Anniv., they might offer up a brand new updated 2016-spec motherboard, made by MSI who've updated as well: snap a finger, it's done. If that were the case, the revision should've debuted at E3 this week, housing Bwell 6950X & GTX 1080 SLI & maybe to much fanboy-fare. To my knowledge, I'm the 1st person to speak in public about the possibility that al these forces would collide to bring a new mthrbrd revision.

Today, a person came to Alien Club asking why his new 6950x wouldn't boot, failed POST in his A51. That's when the Clown Show re-started, the same one that's ensued since Bwell launched & people started asking about support for it about 3weeks ago. I've called it the Conspiracy of Silence. Hand-in-hand with the Alien Agenda. Today, there's no Bios update for it. The 'new' Bios issued in May? Bunk. That should have been the MSI Bwell Bios update - just a month late - but it isn't (!). When talk of a revised mthrbrd came up, we were told this:

• if so, there would be multiple motherboard part numbers. There is currently only one motherboard listed, XJKKD

Hence no sign of a new revision. Ummmmm, are they seriously going to make everyone buy a two year old mediocre board to run a 10-core on???????? ... we'll see. Alien Hardware: 2016, & no updated mthrbrd like all other brands have? wth? I can find not one pic of A51 at E3.
When asked why the 6950x is on the sales page, but the old mthrbrd isn't supported, the customer's told this, paraphrased: "we aren't obliged to support your retail Cpu bought from Amazon. We only have to support our OEM Cpu's". An interesting factoid emerged when we're directed to this link published by Intel: How to Identify a Boxed vs. an OEM Processor

Note the use of the term Wholesale OEM Cpu.

If you read that right, what I said earlier?, only new retail customers can get Dell's (wholesale) Bwells. So. 'Old customers' - the ones that paid for E3 & all the rest of it? - are now second-class citizens. Beggars.

Witholding the Bios update is a form of Delay Tactic: Cpu-Clock-Block old beggars. Why rush? Why kick out support so soon? It ain't like the old customers are gonna buy a Bwell from Dell.

A Dwell. Hah!

No, no, no: that money's going to Newegg Amazon & Micro Center instead. Old customer's are a drain on the War Chest. At any rate, I asked some qwestions about the 'new' desktop & also direct qwestions about Bwell support for the 'old' desktop on ABook:

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I asked simple qwestions, got a painfully simple canned reply, then came back 8 hours later with the bottom direct follow-up. Asked with a straight face. And it was deleted from public view within 5minutes. I'm curious, as many of you know, about the slew - a dozen of them - of fake pre-production CGIs showing a 50mil kooler, when the customer's given a whimpy 25mil on delivery to handle 140w Hotwell-E, & my concern is if they plan (we fooled 'em all once, fool 'em all twice) to place that whimpy cooler over their jacked-up $1350 & $2000 D-well also:

Spoiler: show us how thick it was s'posed to be

They've been rocking that fake *** for nearly 2years, & dusted it off to announce overpriced Dwell. What bugs me the most about it is I'm certain the original kooler was going to be Asetek's brawny 50mil, I think it proves the engineers had high hopes in the beginning to give it muscle but the bean counters said no, slapped in a cheap 25mil but KEPT the entire CGI portfolio to pad & steer public perception, especially in the press & advertising.

Pay salaries to fix it? Or pay no salary & use it, exploit it, milk it: you decide.

In fact? The latest Dwell poster you just saw has just been freshly embellished with a brand new Alien Logo on it! Clear evidence of a paid salary, to make the 50mil look more sexy: can I get an amen? No old stills exist with a logo (the original koolers had no logo until I complained, made a mockery, then bam, whimpy 25mil gets a logo. Odd but true). They've gone back & touched it up special for Dwells launch.

I ask you. If there is no such thing as a 50mil with a logo on it? Why did they go to length to make it look like its original eqwipment? You know why, don't you. Don't you. Let your mind begin to wander. All of this & more adds up to unusual peculiar behavior, with purpose. Knowing purpose. Responsible advertising has an asterix which says optional eqwipment shown ... there's has no asterix 'cause 50mils ain't an option, which makes it false-advertising for profit, to me, this is how I feel.

Anyway, my follow-up comment gets deleted, & then?, they delete their one & only reply too (!) The canned answer pushing me to go sniff around the sales page. Vanished.

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Next? I'm embroiled now in a game of demi-warfare: the ABook employee digs up my original draft which forgot to ask about an improved 38mil kooler (they won't drop in a 50mil, so I say split the difference with the 25mil & give the customer a 38mil); somehow Zuckerberg makes this tool available: to only post the version of comment that what u want the public to see (if there's a choice between edits). So this Alien played with my comment somehow & judiciously erased all mention of the 38:

• yes, compare this to my edited still from earlier ... touché

They cherry-picked my words, that's admittedly my fault for rushing into my post, but?, I assume it was either that or delete me off of the page just for asking, for being 'a pest, a snoop'. I own Area-51 yet I'm the enemy? Back to deleted, which we'll get to right now:

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When logged into my account, I see my edited qwestions, & still see the (hidden) reply, but as an anonymous 'public' viewer?, I see the original qwestions (without mention of a 38mil), my baby comment, which to them is 'santized' & still worthy of view. It begs the qwestion: were they going to just leave it hang there, unanswered? How rude! Suffice it to say, I banged it out & posted that long one above: it was deep-sixed in short order, in fact now none of my comments survive public view. Gone. Like Keyser Söze. Poof *with gesture*

What can be learned from this? They don't answer qwestions about Bwell support. Ask if the mthrbrd was revised & shown at E3? They send u to the sales page (mocking tone: u want a mthrbrd? buy it, otherwise go away). And? Ask if the desktop you might like to buy comes with the 50mil cooler shown? They delete the qwestion itself. Then retroactively delete any talk of a 'better' 38mil. Winston Wolf can't clean up a mess better than that.

Boy. That 25mil makes them sensitive as hell. Ya think. But, shouldn't the customer be more sensitive? Bad enuff they sold it to you, but censor discussion about it? Insult to injury. And what 'mess' got cleaned up today?

Simple Public Inquiry: What's up with the new product? Where can I see it? Is there support for the old product? What comes in the new product? If I can't see it for real & have to judge by artists photos, do I get what's shown? ... ... ...

Well. Qwestions like that are verboden ... ... ... so much for trying to satisfy public curiosity in old products & new products alike.

Let the Public Debate begin.

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@|Tee > they'll sqweeze out a Bwell update, sometime. For right now they're saying: you'll eat when we say you can eat. For instance, the 6950x owner was told to put the old cpu back in, & wait ... how long? dunno. They said wait for E3. Then they said wait for cpu options on the sales menu. Just wait. No soup for u! AlienClub Coliseum, 6days ago, find my impatient thoughts there over the Alien Information BlackOut & this MSI swap, Bwell-ready: chicken corn soup man. Upgraded Area 51 R2 to X99A Raider Motherboard

Bwell or Bsick ... sound about right?
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Bwell Bios4 CmndCntr4: validated? use for over-clocking? @support
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dude there said this: wait for E3. If people see Aliens support old products, they might say good things about them. To which I replied? When they see them not support old products they's gonna say bad things too ...

things are now starting to unravel, like Titanic ...
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Here's a favorite from: "Area 51-R2, Intel i7-6950X, Dell upgrade it?" Will Dell be able to upgrade a 5930 in my Area 51 R2 to 6950x? My system is about half year old. Thanks

6month customer, still got that new-computer smell but he's a beggar now; reduced to paying Dell to stick it in there for him, sprinkle some fairy-dust & make it work; forget the thousands he paid for Hotwell that also give him free Bwell support. Hun-uh. Ready to fork over even more $$$ to them ... I'm just s'prised he din't say please? pretty please?

No doubt TeeBone? His reply has no chance a moderator / Tech Support will reply. Just sit there, unanswered. Go away ...take your retail cpu & just, well, don't go away mad or do go away mad but just go away. Wait over there. Next thing I'm waiting for, is Dell to post the OEM Cpu part numbers, get everyone to line up & buy their working Wholesale OEM tray processor, for how much?, over retail. Michael Dell ain't a billionaire for nuthin.

Find me too in this thread, where the natives are getting restless by the day, heated debate coming in, over in Club Coliseum's: can the new Bwell chips be placed inside? ... 'There is a different process. We dictate to Intel how to set the CPU to work with our OEM bios & motherboard. The OEM CPU is not the same as the retail CPU'. Reply from befuddled owner | beggar: ' If Alienware doesn't take retail CPUs, that's a first on me. And a terrible business decision should the public ever find out. What is the point of buying a non-upgradeable upgradeable machine?' What's the point indeed.

Again: "Yeah it's a crazy practice but just keeping my fingers crossed that the bios update comes out soon. *** having a $$$ CPU & can't use it. This surely has to be addressed, I would hope once the convention wraps up. Yeah. Not. Right? Why would someone buy a few thousand dollar upgradable machine that can't be upgraded. This was one of the main reasons I purchased the comp. Hopefully me & I'm sure many others weren't duped into this machine. I just keep on getting cryptic answers from Alienware they know the answers why are they holding it back"

Alien Hardware. Happy 20th Birthday. May it be your last.​

 

Geez, It seems that's how AW roll now. AOL their products by blocking their customers with BIOS restrictions. Absolutely Evil. That's exactly what they did with the 18's.
Very unbecoming

 

That's exactly why I just ditched them for my desktop and custom built my new one. From 2012 to 2014 the bios on the Aurora R4 kept getting more and more restrictive -to the point where I actually downgraded the bios so that I could at least overclock my 3930K.

 

Hey ! I love Alienware, free computers all the time ! I buy, it sucks I return it. I get all my money back. Rinse repeat. I don't even pay for postage. I give them a shot all the time. If I ever get a product I like, I will keep it. But you guys should do the same. Just make sure you have the money back guaranteed if your not satisfied.

Going on Vacation for 2 weeks ? Get an Alienware and afterwards if you did not like it, send it back.

When the amount of returns they start getting reaches ridiculous, maybe they will rethink thier strategy or leave the enthusiast market.

 

AOL = ?
End of line?

 

Yes

 

You have to pay shipping back or?

 

Yes.. Good catch. Thanks

 

No, I make them send me prepaid shipping label, and say something is wrong, I find the system too slow and just not enjoyable... etc.

just head to purolator and they take it, no charge afterwards.

 

Purolator?

 

Maybe use Google

 

Oh

 

So... apparently 1080M is going to be kind of like a 980DT but OC'd (different chip, but same stats) and 100-125W only!

IF this is true, thank god I didn't say I would eat my shorts. I had predicted, the card was going to be marginally better, like 20-30% if I had to guess. if whats they're saying / showing now, is true, it will be as fast as a 980 Ti Desktop card.

Something makes me think it's too good to be true though. I mean, at that point, you';d be stupid to keep using desktops, lol.

 

1080M is shown to have around 16800 3d Score in firestrike.

980 is around 17+k so it's not too far behind, with slight OC is possible to catch up

 

What !? Where does 980 get a 17k+ Graphics score?

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8783923 (Stock)

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8386248 (+300/+500)

 

I WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH +17.000P - EITHER TOTAL OR ONLY THE GRAPHICS SCORE

 

desktop ones I mean


http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4308899

here I pull a random z97 + gtx 980 on fs

 

maybe like a 980 Ti stock

 

RIGHT!?

So, get that one year earlier they come out with a 980DT mxm card and then the next year come out with a 1080M that is 50% overclocked and otherwise the same stats but half the power too.....

I just have to see this to believe it entirely, but here is to hoping !

Like, if this is true, screw having a desktop, just get a laptop ! Heck, give me a soldered on 1050M BGA gpu, it's going to what, get a 10,000 firestrike score, but fits in my pocket where I usually keep my cell phone ! yes please!

I don't know, seems exaggerated, to me. I wonder if its a highly overclocked version or if the stock is what they are suggesting gets that score. There just is not enough info.

You know, would be nice if Alienware came out with a AW18 that used a HM170 chipset or whatever and had DT CPU and could allow the new 1080M's in SLI ....

 

http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746
Is this the same forum?

 

the FS link I posted is for a 980 stock, which gets 16650 score
980Ti gets around 19500+ for stock speed

You know, if alienware did come up with a HM170 AW18 I still wouldn't buy it because you can't overclock a K with HM chipset...

 

16650 score is far from to be a normal score for 980 desktop card with stock clock.
See the Asus GTX 980 Strix version with stock clock be reckted by the 980 laptop version. Reckted in both total and graphics score http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-283#post-10266857

 

Exactly what i was wondering, how the hell is a stock 980 with lower clocks getting higher graphics scores in FireStrike.

The MEM on this one http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4308899 is easily up by +500.

 

I have also compared my 980 laptop version with Evga 980 with stock clock at Guru 3D.com
The Evga 980 was also recked by my card

 

that's odd

 

Odd? No!! Clean facts!!
See also the Firestrike rankings for single 980 desktop http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-239#post-10258044

 

Yeah, at stock our 980's are pretty much the same , give or take a few 100 points here or there. But the difference cannot be 3k+.

That EVGA one @Mobius 1 linked, is doing 16.6k @ about +125/+500?? WAT?

 

Normal GTX 980 desktop cards with stock clock..., Score lower in Firestrike than our laptop versions of same cards. This applies also for several Brands 980 versions
This is the reference 980 desktop card

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_970_and_980_reference_review,21.html

 

(TESTING: anyone else having issues posting??)

 

anyone else having issues on the forums ?