Are there any new Alienware models in the works? [Speculations and Wish List]

New models will have to wait for haswell, as for life span there will be no difference really unless you run into a specific issue.

 

Sorry guess my error...I was actually trying to ask another question... mistakenly posted wrong question.

 

Thanks for the reply....Was just worried as nvidia is twice the price of amd and I wanted nvidia because of physic effects & better driver support...

As, AMD is now sooner going to even place 5000series, 6000series & 7000series in to thier quaterly release cycle once 8000series & 9000series are launched....

 

I want to buy a M14x and i was wondering if I should wait a few months before buying one. I dont mind waiting if there is going to be a new update soon.

 

Hello, and welcome to NBR. We're glad you joined our Community. And, thanks for your interest in the best high performance laptops that money can buy. We're happy to have you in the Alienware group.

I merged your new thread with the one already established for discussion/speculation on future models.

We don't know for sure what the new tech is going to look like. The one thing to potentially be concerned about is deployment of UEFI 3.0. If the new models have that, they may end up being undesirable machines for enthusiasts even if they have more powerful processors. I would recommend caution before jumping on the bandwagon until this question can be answered. UEFI 3.0 eliminates the possibility to use MBR or legacy mode. There is no CSM (compatibility support module) and what that means is that your choices will be limited to Windows 8 64bit (or a newer M$ OS) PERIOD. No possibility of booting an older version of Windows, any 32-bit OS, no booting DOS from USB, Linux or any other non-Microsoft OS will be functional. Only GPT disks will be recognized by the BIOS. Long story short, you'll be locked into whatever Microsoft wants you to have and there will be no wiggle room.

It can also mean only specific hardware will be "authorized" and that translates into no CPU or GPU upgrade path. Any hardware not enumerated in the BIOS will be unusable. We have already caught a few glimpses of this on current new systems, and it is not a pretty picture. It took a special vBIOS to use AMD and NVIDIA GPUs with Secure Boot enabled on today's systems. If you think you will flash a modded system BIOS or vBIOS to eek out a bit more performance, think again. Without DOS bootable USB support, you won't be doing anything fun and exciting.

That said, it might be safer to buy a new system now. If the next generation systems only have a UEFI 3.0 BIOS and the old (today's) systems are sunset you'll be stuck for good immediately instead of being stuck with UEFI 3.0 a couple of years down the road. The UEFI 3.0 BIOS also has a certificate that expires. Once that happens, your motherboard is effectively bricked. The expiration date is so far in the future that it will be irrelevant, but the mere thought of this draconian level of control that is extremely disturbing.

This is not a Dell/Alienware thing... unless the powers that be abandon this nonsense, it will be every brand and compliance is mandatory if they want to be "certified" by the Microsoft mafia. If that sounds like crApple's way of doing business to you, you would be spot on, and it sucks.

 

Well alienware just started selling the x51 with ubuntu as an option instead of windows. Not sure if they will make it available on other systems down the road, but would be a nice option if more companies started to support linux.

 

Yes, I saw that and posted in the Dell Community. I was very glad to see that. The X51 does not have UEFI 3.0 yet, so that is possible. I'd like to see that option expanded to all Dell and Alienware models in protest of UEFI 3.0 and to help move things off of dead center as far as Linux game support is concerned. The only thing I can see holding Linux back is super horrible game support. Games can runs excellent on Linux, but the selection is pathetic. If I could run all the Steam titles in my library, I would ditch Windows 8 completely.

 

I am in the same boat, I can't be bothered dual booting and if I can't run all my titles I can't move over.

 

That is just wrong.
You can install any OS you want on Macs with Bootcamp.

Integrated have always been better than fragmented. The problem is that MSFT takes the worst of both worlds. Controlled fragmentation...

Since Apple control its hardware and OS they can optimize things. For example OSX have been GPU accelerated since 2002.
MSFT dont control the hardware = they can't optimize.

Apple does this kinds of things since its better for their customers (in their mind)
MSFT does this to make more money. Not optimization or integration. (licensing fees for allowing other OS on hardware you bought. Red Hat for example have payed up.)

But that is of topic..

I still haven't seen a good rumor about a high resolution display for Alienware. 1920x1080 is not fun. I would pay a 1000 dollar premium for a 2880x1440 screen.
(Everyone knows that Appple sux at gaming. Its not their thing. And a 2880x1440 screen really needs a good graphics card or 2)

 

Yes but it's a closed platform, so you get what they give you, which is not really what this community is going to like.

 

I've realized speculation at this point is basically worthless at this point
meaker and Mr.fox bring a ton of knowledge to this community
the revision will happen AW isn't about thin and portable their target market wants powerful gaming pcs and the brands name factor
apple stores are in the mall pull people in AW isnt known much by the general consumer why not make a store AW to spread the word and bring people face to face with the high end pc that they make and have 15 year old boys screaming on the floor for m17x? they might even grab some attention

all i know is 17xr5 is mine i bought the camo back pack cm sf-19 2.0 cooler steelseries sensei mouse astro a40 headset and now im just wait for aw to release so i can finish this off

 

i saw the leaked pics (on the main alienware forum thread) but judging from the keyboard

(the lack of dedicated numerical keyboard), it seems to be M14x replacement.


does M17x get the same new chassis treatment for Haswell release?

or does it get to keep the old chassis, with only innards upgraded?


(i find the new chassis to be atrocious and if m17x gets a new chassis, i think i'll order the current version)


thanks

 

No one knows for sure. I've been told the chassis will be the same for the m17x come haswell. But then again you can't trust people who are trying to sell you the R4

 

How will anyone know before release? And those who do know signed NDA to not say anything till the release date.

So at this moment it's simply anyone's guess.

 

I had a chat with Dell UK rep, who confirmed new r5 within next 2 months.
He could not give any info in regards to specification

 

He wont know anything, reps have as much information as us, a haswell refresh is a given however.

 

I really hope that isn't the new m17x.

BTW, how are you able to tell that the new m17x in the pics = the m14x replacement. According to the post in your link, only the first pic is the m17x r5 and the others below are for the m14x r3 or am I wrong?

I'm hoping they don't get rid of the lights.

 

Why would they? Don't believe anything, just wait.

Intel said on April 10th they would have the Haswell generation out during Q2 2013, which ends June.

 

AW is falling waaaayyy behind now . Other companies are getting updated ver. of their flagships with new 700 series Nvidia cards and way better Processors and a world of difference on screen quality . If AW doesn't come up with something fresh and wowing in the next 2-3 months specially doing something about that insult for most die hard gamers of what they call a decent screen on their laptops and a cooling system that actually works fine , we can start to say god bye to a company that once was an example of how gaming on PC & laptops was to a fossil silly overpriced thing from the past on most of their designs and builds.

Time to do or die AW

 

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? New processors won't be out for months, I haven't heard of any gaming laptops with more than a 1920x1080 screen lately, and all the 700m/8000m parts are rebadged 600m/7000m parts. When we start to see new silicon, that's when we will see new Alienware laptops.

Oh, and in my experience the cooling system is extremely overpowered in comparison to other 17" laptops. Or at least I see members here with much higher overclocks than I see on any other laptop brands...

 

Umm? How about you enlighten us, what laptop system has faster CPU, GPU, and better cooling? ..
Seriously, please inform me just incase I didn't feed a troll.

 

Funny to note that a "fossil silly overpriced thing from the past" still bests all of its competitors despite the screen.

 

We have no ETA on the new machines either.

 

That's just a bunch of nonsense, LOL. When you make the best product available, there's no need to hurry something out the door that is half-baked. Stupid buyers will be impatient and grab whatever they can find, but the smart ones will wait to see what Alienware brings before dropping a load of cash. Better to be safe and patient than sorry.

There is no reason for anyone to believe the next wave of Alienware laptops will be any less awesome than the last. And, no reason for anyone to believe the competitor's products will be as good as Alienware. They never are, so no reason to expect that to change.

 

The M18X R2 is a serious piece of kit and I have yet to see a system match it so I don't see how they are behind the times....

Intel did announce their date on facebook

 

When it comes to things like this, the wait and see policy is generally the best option.

Sent from my SGH-T999

 

It would be nice if Alienware laptops offered more that the competition doesn't. Disabling switchable graphics is not worth $500, and the warranty doesn't mean much if customer service and quality control are so variable. (Dell charges half as much for extended warranties for its Precision laptops.) For the same price as a Clevo or MSI with the same components, though, I think buying an m17x or m18x would be the obvious choice.

 

First of all sorry for previous posts from my side as my dumb brother was using my login ID. Sorry for inconvience.

What I think in regards to screen is great what Alienware offers. However, if we all remember the M17X R2 revision had resolution of 1920 x 1200p vs today what they offer 1920 x 1080p.... I own an M17X R2 & still feel if in new lineup they can offer 1920 x 1200p screen for M18X R3 then that would be fantastic.

As per cooling system is excellent...Unless you want them to place in a copper cooling fan then would add more weight to the system. But, I am still waiting to see with dell buyout in place and new strategies lets see what they are going to offer in upcoming revision. I expect them to do some face lifting as well.

So, lets wait and watch...

 

I got candy if you got info for me

 

Cooling system, bios overclocking, switchable graphics selection.

Those 3 are pretty good.

If he says he has no ETA, then he likely does not, he would not be allowed to say he did not have one if he had.

 

Sager/Clevo

Granted.

95% of laptops with any NVIDIA chip.

 

Do you possibly plan to attend Computex on June 3rd? Since I live very close by, would be cool to see you guys there.

 

Just heard that Nvidia is planning to launch MAXWELL in March next year... So, I think Maxwell should be better then kepler... Also, After maxwell launch the next line-up release dates as of today for VOLTAS are 2016.... I am also expecting MAXWELL to use the new JEDEC standards of GDDR6 which is designed to outlast 2020...

The 5th Generation I7 Broadwell architecture should open support for DDR4 variant in consumer market... As currently Haswell is only offering support for servers..

In opinion this year should just be another refresh from Alienware as well & next year we should see some new designs....

2014 new technology as below;

- GDDR6 for GPU's

- DDR4 system ram

- 14nm Broadwell CPU

what do you guys think??

 

Who cares? If I can't actually hold it in my hands, I really don't care. There's always something else around the corner, that'll never change.

 

I was talking about a manual switch and i'm sorry but clevo's cooling does not hold a candle to the alienware machines, not even close.

 

Yeah, those three are pretty huge advantages to going with Alienware. The competition falls way short of the mark in those areas, and it's worth paying extra to not have a crippled system. In some cases customers are able to get the superior Alienware product without having to pay extra.

 

I just wanted to point out that , Dear Alienware.. I am not interested in any thing smaller than your M18x line up.. please do not discontinue it.. go bigger.. give us hardcore gamers and benchers some thing to brag about ..

Here is my wish list...
and for us true hardcore gamers and benchers size and weight is not and issue.. please do not comment on this unless you plan to buy a M18x.. if your the I want a macbook size machine type of guy or girl please do not comment as your opinions do not count towards some thing you will never use..

1. screen.. same or better quality.. bigger if you can.. some thing to match what most people have sitting on there desk right now.. 23"-24" but the current 18" screen is cool.. if you must reuse it.. true 120 or 240 hrz if you could..

2. bigger power supplies..

3. sli.. or 3 way sli.. PUSHING FOR 3 way sli..

4.better cooling.. and fan control..

5. hdd slots that are sized correctly ( maybe even a fan for them) plus more slots..

6. some thing stupid like what razor has.. lcd at the top of the keyboard.. for profiles and what not..

7. keep the hdmi in.. some might not use it but its one of those features that i like having there for the just incase road trips.. and my ps3 or 360..

8. full on usb 3.0 and sata 3

9. wireless ac mini cards.. and not some knock off that wont do the supported speeds..

10. keep the same user accessibility to are systems as right now with the aluminum chassis..

11. what ever other bells and whistles i forgot to mention.. or you think we would like.. I mean this is the flag ship of gaming..

 

Lol 24inch..
I'm all for more power too, at that size they could probably shoehorn a Titan or desktop GPU inside.

 

Personally coming from a 17" 1920x1200 I would love a 19"-20" laptop with a 2560x1400 screen, but tri-sli would be kinda overkill...

 

exactly how would it be over kill?

 

Just kinda large and heavy to move anywhere. If you want something like that, build a nice frag box and just carry that and a decent monitor around with you.

 

It would make more sense to do a large titan style card in SLI than TRI SLI GK104 type chips.

2x150W large size MXM boards with 384bit mem bus *sigh*

 

Yeah Meaker, that's what I was getting at in one of my other posts.
I'd actually love to see that.

 

I agree with Mr. DumbDumb....He has a valid point....I would love to see a 20inch or 23inch laptop with tri-SLI support & better cooling system with support for 4k resolution @ either 120hz or 240hz screen... I mean why not something for hardcore gamers in laptop as well....

I am not saying that current lineup isn't good but we need something more interesting which is different from what we have in market....

I personnelly don't mind the weight of the machine at all...

For quite a while we have been using 2-way sli or crossfire...now we want something new different...

How many of you agree with me on this...

 

I say the whole idea is unrealistic impractical beyond the pocket book of most in AW target market....maybe they will do something interesting with the ig on the haswell chips for the m14x making almost sli'dish?

 

Or stick a proper card in it, but they may just go 765m...

 

Dell actually used to make a 20" laptop like 7 years ago?

My friend had one and loved it because it had a desktop feel, but it could be easily moved. However the keyboard was detachable so it lost a lot of cooling and space potential with that move.

 

I just feel that a 3-way SLI would be far over the point of diminishing returns, especially on a laptop...

HP made one as well, called HP HDX 9000 DRAGON. Pretty darn awesome, except for the low resolution of the screen.
I would definitely love a 2560x1440 20"+ laptop.

 

Big panels are all good, but where dell can actually make a huge profit even at base systems is with decent lcd panels

For example I know few guys who do video editing, all they want is big LCD, decent CPU and a base gpu. They don't want bluray writers or 680m/7970m, all they want is to be able to do video editing with decent intel CPU, most just want 3920xm but most important part is big 95% gamut LCD, matte display a plus. If dell can pull that off, they will literally sell crap loads of these even at a premium price.

I have 3 friends who carry alienware m17x with a eizo LCD because no laptop has 17" 95% gamut LCD available.

 

For example I know few guys who do video editing, all they want is big LCD, decent CPU and a base gpu. They don't want bluray writers or 680m/7970m, all they want is to be able to do video editing with decent intel CPU, most just want 3920xm but most important part is big 95% gamut LCD, matte display a plus. If dell can pull that off, they will literally sell crap loads of these even at a premium price.

I have 3 friends who carry alienware m17x with a eizo LCD because no laptop has 17" 95% gamut LCD available.[/QUOTE]

Dell has already a huge profit even at thier base system like latitude, Inspiron & even XPS....Dell puts margin on individual hardware item then the whole system together...which ultimately fetches them more then the whole system put together...

I know dell xps starting at 799$ where production cost involved is 599$ & the 200$ is the margin pure net profit...Similarly, even at alienware each individual hardware like cpu, video cards, lcd etc you name it & they place individual margin of profit....I think Dell can put 95% gamut lcd on thier XPS or Inspiron...I have bunch of friends who are looking for this & ready to grab once dell does this......

This thread is purely on discussion related to Alienware & I am sorry to say this but Alienware will not meet entry level market requirement as this the premium product they have & its for pure gaming purpose...If you are looking for day to day inet usage or video editing purpose then you must look towards DELL XPS or DELL INSPIRON & not at Alienware.

The idea is not unrealistic...People those who can afford it will have the money always to afford....Pockets don't matter....Alienware is more towards quality with less quantity as Dell eventually makes profits through other market segments as well....Alienware idea is to provide high end gaming machine with premium quality built.........M14X will never make to SLI for your info..you can do some research on that yourself. Their would be chances for M17X to return with dual GPU support as the chassis supports it & M18X to go 3-way SLI as chassis will support that but M14X the chassis is restricted due to heat issues...Haswell, will be based to new architecture true but broadwell in 2014 will be more refined architecture & 14nm Shrink.....In my opinion broadwell would be great & would add support for DDR4 consumer market as Haswell in consumer market still offers support for DDR3....Only in servers they offer support for DDR4.....

We Alienware fans want bigger biggest Alienware laptop with 95% Gamut LCD and more superior cooling system & many more...

Guys lets keep discussion towards the topic "ALIENWARE"...

Anyone looking for entry level or mid range can have discussion in their respective topics...