M17x Benchmarks thread !!!

Besides the first post this thread isn't useful.

Would be better if there was some type of benchmarking section where all different systems can be compared maybe at a higher level.

Since people are just starting to get this system it would be better if owners could help each other tweak first before making comparisons with other systems. Just my 2 cents.

 

well now...you have to be willing to either ...take it apart, up the voltage, test drivers, test settings, try different os's, over clock the gpu's, over clock the cpu, registry tweaks, system tweaks, disable certain services if they are interrupting system performance.... if your not prepared to embark on this...no use in making 20 useless threads of..i have a m17x that can't beat a netbook... (not being mean or anything) you get others involved first, then think about going off on your own after you have learned a thing or two...just my 4 cents.

 

the whitebook loses in dx10, to the 9800m gtx and the 4870 because of stream cpus. and it is horible with aa on. i get 60fps average

everything is stocked and the last is overclocked. 3870x2







EDIT
here is the 9800m gtx single overclocked. at 1920*1080. it's a single card to compare with the 260m. and a single 4850/70. i haven't push it to far yet.

 

Why wouldn't I be willing to work on my own system? I'm not sure the point of this post.

 

well...because your spending more time talking about a thread change and what is or isn't useful..

lets see... lets give this a try...

have you tried driver 185.20 and over clocked your gpus using nibitor 5.0 while upping the voltage to 1.05 which is safe or it wouldn't be listed in the vbios. nibitor 5.0 will recognize your gpu for what it is and all you have to do is change the voltage and save file..then flash both cards. which all can be done under windows...i forget if it works under 64 bit. if you want to manipulate the cpu over clocking...your gonna need that pll off the motherboard. that's only if AW locks it at per say...3.0 ghz or something like that. you will need to test different programs to see if you can software mode the cpu voltage if the cpu doesn't have enough already...i remember someone asking for a cpuz shot of your voltage or someone with an all powerful. what are your stock gpu clocks and how high can you over clock them(if you have gotten this far already)...and the list goes on....

 

Hi guys,

A few more benches with DMC4. I tweaked the system a little bit by turning the UAC and anti-virus off. Here are the results:

GPU stock CPU @2.53 (stock)
1920x1080 DX10 No AA
172.90 127.44 207.64 129.04

GPU stock CPU @2.53 (stock)
1920x1080 DX10 8x AA
114.52 79.74 155.42 89.88

GPU stock CPU @2.93
1920x1080 DX10 No AA
172.03 131.35 224.66 125.76

Now about overclocking. You can overclock the FSB and the multipliers through BIOS so no need for SetFSB or Pll stuff. On the other hand, I couldn;t find an app that would let me overclock the GPUs since ntune and couple other GPU tweaking apps allowes overclocking the 9400m but not the 280ms. I guess we will need someone elses help on that since I have no time to go into vbios, flashing etc etc.

What I see is it is at least 20% better than the Xfire 4870 at no AA. But around 10% worse with 8xAA in DX10.

John, can you post what you are getting at these settings with your sli? I couldn't find them.

 

you we're using system tools 6.03 to try to over clock gpu's?

 

So... Maybe the goals in the 1st post are too ambitious. Could we get a few main tests to be run first? And a small text form to copy and paste configurations and results... Something like:

---Copy from here...
Laptop (if different from M17x):
Processor: ; Running @:
Graphics: ; Clocks (if non stock):
Driver:
OS:

Crysis, DX10, 1920x1080, Very High, AA off: (min, average, max):
Crysis, (please decide a few other settings, such as 1920x1200 or High but with AA)
Other games and settings...
...to here---
---Paste and fill with your results (with screenshots if possible)

Yes, I love to standardize things

 

I tried that and ntune. Ntune gave BSOD when I tried to overclock. System tools does not allow me to pick the 280m to overclock. I tried GPU tool Moo posted at the initial post. It allowed me to tweak the clocks but that damn thing can not even get the stock clocks right and when it test for max clocks, it is reading wrong temps.

One more thing, this computer looks and feels much better than any other computer I handled including macbooks. It does not feel as heavy and thich as XPS m1730. It is not as plastic and cheap looking as M17 (whitebook). I am not even comparing to Toshiba, Gateway, MSI and ASUS ones. I didn;t have a changce to play with a W90 yet but from the looks, M17x is a winner.

 

hummmm, what driver are you using?

 

Yea, I was thinking of getting the W90vp instead of the M17x.Its $1000 cheaper and I still get to awesome graphics cards, blue ray, 1080p screen,and nice processor.(The processors I would have picked if I was to get an M17x anyway)

 

I am using the stock drivers that came with it.

 

i have no clue which drivers are stock for it... you would be better off trying the 182 and up drivers, then using 6.03 system tools to over clock...if that works...(speculation)

 

6.03 works already but there is no option to change the GPU to overclock. It allows me change the GPUs for fan speed and stuff but not for clocks etc.

 

yeah, that's just it...it's not suppose to let you change the fans, but allow you to over clock gpus only...but then...that was the 9262 and other models...maybe a few things have changed with this new laptop...

 

I need to try some other drivers without screwing up the 9400m drivers.

I'll see how it goes tonight.

 

This hybrid sli is going to give a lot of headache lol.

 

John, your benches for the DMC4 please!!!

 

John, can you post what you are getting at these settings with your sli? I couldn't find them.<--- just seen this....which ones..with AA?

 

8xAA and no AA at 1920x1200 and 1920x1080. I just want to compare your machine with mine.

 

This is no AA I assume.

 

I'm a bit disappointed with GTX280m lol

where can i get a d901c? ahah

 

I know one that is for sale. John???

Anyways, Since John has the desktop CPU and yet we have almost identical scores, this means 280M is slightly better than 9800M GTX for this game (stock 280m vs overclcoked 9800M GTX) Once we get the 280M overclocked, we may see a 20% improvements IMHO.

 

that's what im thinking.

 

Stock drivers are 179.85 according to Dell's download site.

 

johnksss that DM4 score was in what conditions ? was it with what cpu/gpu overclock ? drivers versio ? bguards

 

The M17x is getting a Crossfire option. Sleey0 posted a screenshot from a tech page that shows how hybrid power is supported when ATI cards are used and a M17x sporting a single 1Gig 4850 has been spotted in Vietnam and Japan. What's even wilder is that 4850 may be packing GDDR5.

 

At least in my desktop DMC4 bench doesn't look to be cpu bound at all so... BTW i didn't know that his 9800m gtx was overclocked .

BTW 2 where is the guys with GTX260M SLI ?, we need some comparison here

 

The 4850 will most likely be GDDR3 not 5, but if it was 5, i'd be dam suprised.

 

Argh, definitly waiting for GDDR5 4870's for M17x.If the M17x 4870's aren't GDDR5, I'm just gonna get a W90vp.

 

^^^your loss

 

Well, these GTX 280s aren't really breaking.

 

One thing at a time.

I have tried 3 different gpu drivers so far with 2 different OS. 185.20 was one of the next things I was going to try. GPU overclocking would be the last thing I try. I wanted to see if I can get my proc to at least 3.5Ghz but I'm really looking for a solution that doesn't rely on the OS. If you know something about changing voltages without relying on Windows let me know. I assume only a new bios would help me here.

Regarding getting the Pll off the motherboard I did look and I took a pic and it's been circulating these forums. Do you still need the Pll with Nvidia chipsets? The last information I found was no. All Nvidia chipsets are compatible but if not let me know. This however doesn't help the fact that it still rely on Windows which I really prefer not to do. If 3.33Ghz is the most I can get without a third party app then so be it.

Edit: One last thing regarding your first comment. I made 2 posts regarding all the non-M17x talk in this thread. I've been working on the M17x since last Thursday to improve performance and help people here. I pretty sure that is more helpful than talking about how fast I can overclock my non-M17x in a M17x thread.

 

Aren't your GPUs overclocked though? vs the stock 550/850?

speaking of which, if GTX 280M owners want to overclock their GPUs withouth bumping voltage and such, you could try a program called GPU tool from techpowerup. I remember Mr. Moo introduced it before, although I tried it on my system before that. Should work on nVidia cards as well. You can get it here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1383/GPUTool_Community_Technology_Preview_1.html

The thing about driver releases and statements about performance improvements is that it's just semantics, which is why they used words like "up to 15%" etc. So it's not a certainty that Crysis performance would improve by 15% or at all. Then again, some have seen 20% improvement using the 9.6 drivers, but that was with the 3870s.

Also, though the GTX 280M is really a die shrunk g92, it has something else over the 9800M GTX, which is the extra 16 SPs. I have yet to see the significance of this, however, as OC'd single 9800M GTXs are getting pretty much the same marks as a single OC'd GTX280M.

Not entirely true, but true nonetheless. AA is part of a quality setting just like AF, resolution and texture quality is. The fact that you can max out AA in this game and still have playable setting makes it more relevant than not having it on. It's just like running these settings at low or medium with 8xAF; no one with such a machine (9262, m17x, W90) is going to care about those settings because they know the graphics power they have can handle it with no problem. They're going to care about the maximum settings in which the game is playable. In this games case, yeah the 4870s are better. Just like how the GTX 280ms and family should be better in Far Cry 2 and Crysis.

 

We all already know how is the performance... And BTW at least you don't have the same driver issues, it's lighter, small power brick

 

The link for the prorgram is in my M17x bechmarks thread it has ANY THING you will ever need

 

You have to remember that more shaders doesn't give a boost in every game (and that's why i think GTX280M doesn't worth over GTX260M)

 

This app can not read the correct clocks on the cards. Also it reads card1's temp while stressing card 0 for finding the max clocks. Also one other question, when I open this app it comes up with the 9400m and the clocks are like 300,100,1000. When I select card 0 the clocks stay the same in the control area but sometimes it shows 583,980,1450. When I select card 1 tough it goes back to 300......... In high power mode shouldn;t the cards stay at their stock clocks all the time?

 

it will. soon enough that is what people were saying about the 8800m gtx/9800m gt and 9800m gtx.

but even though our clocks are over clocked it's really ok. you have the same card with a die shrink and more SP. AND YOUR CLOCKS ARE AT IT'S LIMITS. sorry for the caps. but stock we are at 500/1250/800 and I believe your's is 600/1500/900. I think that's your stock clocks so if we were to run stock for stock of course you will win. but if we run the same then your will see a 10 percent increase just like the 9800m gtx vs the 9800m gt.


but anothergeek has broken the 1000 on the memory which I haven't tried yet. john were you successful on this.

 

they could be downclocking when they are not under stress.....

are you in stealth mode?

 

Well 280m can handle higher clocks due to the die shrink and more SP. I am pretty sure these cards can hanle pretty decent overclocking. I'll work on it if I have any time tonight.

 

Read buddy, high power mode both cards enabled, otherwise the tool can not even find them since stealth mode disable the cards.

 

SORRY don't hurt me....

Any way the Tool is Beta and these cards are new so it could just not work with them (yet).... i can't test yet.

did you try Ntune?

 

ntune gives BSOD when you click on adjust settings

 

O no!!!!

lemme go look @ Anothergeeks tools

could be the driver ...in the mean time try another driver

 

alitunay you still using stock Dell drivers?

 

I have yet to see anybody getting these work with any other drivers but the factory defaults.

 

Stock drivers with stock clocks. That is why I believe even with AA this machine can beat W90 and put a 20% margin at the top of the 9800m gtz sli.

 

how to is in my Sig