Not attacking you John so dont sweat it brojust trying to make things easier for everyone participating in vantage( all 4 or 5 of us) just to make things go faster just the GPU is fine for now
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not sweating it, just to much cutting corners is all. (personal opinion)
nothing wrong with doing just gpu testing to get your numbers up, but in the end..that last final run should be the qualifying test is all. (just an opinion). cpu tes is about 1 minute...i would understand if you we're talking far cry 2...now that test is to dammn long, but it does stress the system and faulty over clocks will show.. but nah, we're good quad. -
Totally in agreement when it becomes an official score there is no other way to do it then the right way
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If you can produce some amazing score once without it on then surely you can do it again with it on is really all i was getting at .
I find Vantage painfully boring myself though but i agree far cry 2 will bring tears to your eyes if your doing ranch long for instance.
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cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher
Vantage IS boring...so are all benchmarking runs....That is why I loop them while using my desktop haha
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
well i found dmc4 fun to watch because it's not the same to to much and the 3rd scene is my favorite. farcry2 put my to sleep sometimes on my whitebook. sometimes i put it on 6 times and hop in the shower and it's still doing it when i get out
vantage for some reason is very long for some reason and there's no action but the end results is what matters.
RE5 isn't using real game play and making the AI's doing what they want it's recorded
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running benchmarks are generally boring to most. lol.
me...i love it. because i just click a button or two and let it do it's thing while im working or fixing someone elses machine. i check it and run it again. set it up for the next set of test and let it go. read the numbers check where it crashes at. make an adjustment, then let her run again....exactly what im doing as we speak, but got a bit side tracked watching tv..lol
also...on some of these test...if you take the first round out of three...then you miss a better score as well..example..crysis/crysiswarhead/farcry 2... their good numbers show up after the first loop.
what makes vantage so long is that first stage load up of jane nash.. like 2 minutes and then crash 20 seconds in...hahahaha (dammn, got side tracked again watching tv.) it's best to test with test two first then run them as a whole. test two loads fast. and you guys should also know the fir 20 seconds of any benchmarking program your running...why you ask? to save your self 10 minutes of a boring long wait time for a drunk driving benchmark. if your frames aren't at a certain point in the first 20 seconds, stop the run...it's not gonna get better if you let it go.(friendly advise not a what you have to do..) this would be after a very nice run, then you just make sure your frames never start lower than the ones on that run...saves allot of time, trust me.
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i ran 3dmark 06 so much i hate it now even more then normal (and its uselesss)
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MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
Hahah it's true and the fact is in gaming on our babies OC is not even necessary... Even on a game like GTAIV where I had an OC GPU and CPU I only gained about 5fps or so in the benchmark... The only real test for me is gaming anyway, Benching with 3dmark is just fun... anyway let me know what kind of clocks you get on you GPU Moo
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
i love benchmarking. i love high detail. i like seeing my fps go threw the roof on max settings. then (you alreadly said most up top) run again. and again til you computer all your computer components are at it's limits.
there's more but i found this blazin website about benchmarking some games
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
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this is true...someone asked me why i don't play games over clocked on a laptop...and that was my answer...it wasn't worth 3 frames on very high.... you would see more of a gain when running games on high, but with a bit of manipulation, you could run a nice setup game.
benching 3dmark06 will get you mad if you knew what i knew....lol
it's only really good for ati cards. when ran with quad cores and gtx cards..it cuts of like 10 to 20 percent of the cards performance. -
i was talking about my whitebook i might run it for my M17x i unno
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
i still don't mind 3dmark06.
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you know me...ill run "grandma in a rocking chair" if it has a benchmark tool...lol
but at the end of the day...the only thing that really matters is...fps. some machines show higher numbers, but if you look at the fps...they are within 1 to 2 frames, which basically says...they are equal. -
dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
Lol. i can see you know. "rock faster!!!! you just rocked 8 times in 30 secs. your going to do 10 before the end of the night...... let me see.... ok i can take off your shoes, that may produce better results.... "
but i haven't seen a benchmark in a while someone with a single card beat the 3870x2 slightly overclocked.
mandrake beat it stocked with a score of 64?? with a single card. so if we push them alittle bit i wonder if the 280m/260m can still catch up(not like it didn't already) -
MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
Wait is this with a single 3870 or crossfire
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
crossfire. you don't want to see a single card. trust.
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MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
Haha whatever I know the 3870's are great cards anyway... like said before 3dMark.... meh!
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
i didn't say they weren't
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MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
Sorry what I meant was the Vantage score is not representative of the actual GPU... but I think you knew that
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MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
Christ Moo do you ever shut up? "facepalm" you can come off as a little hostile... and seeing as that wasn't on the same page... no I didn't read it
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cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher
weak example of CF 3870 don.... here is a REAL one
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1244666
P8497 on 3870x2 and Qx9300 both OC. 4th highest in orb for these cards!
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
Lol. that's alittle high for a single card(280/260) to beat. unless you run physx to up the total score.
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I posting links for my scores, super lazy right now. Spent 4 hours on the phone with Alienware tech support today. The cpu is oc'ed to 2.39 and the GPUs are at stock settings. My GPUs have not neen taking well to any oc'ing so hopefully more results tomorrow.
3d mark 06
1920 x 1280 = 12316
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=11565778
3d Mark Vantage - Performance settings
Score = P9825
GGU = 9972
CPU = 9408
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1271687
PC Mark = Default
4141
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now you had to of looked @ the picture and not even read it ....
yea i am kind of hostile when you post 5 million times and you never read...... you have been here a long time and you still ask the same question we answered the whole time you were waiting on your laptop -
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MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
It's as you say Moo, "shrugs"
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Who thinks it would be worth it to use a copper sheet and replace the thermal compound on the All Powerful M17X?
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
i would need to see screen shots of the cooling method and some test. and how much "play" you have in the notebook.
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i already know your system wouldn't last long
and a little common sense prevails here ... if all that was needed was a little copper sheet to replace the thermal paste why do they put it ? or why even have a little sheet when the whole heatsink is copper?
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I think you did not read my post correctly. I was asking if someone thinks it would be useful to replace the thermal compound and add a copper sheet. Meaning as using a better thermal compound than the stock one.
I have no intention of removing the stock thermal compound if it is not to be replaced by a better one...
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MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
No Moo is saying it it could cause complications putting a copper sheet on there and I agree... and like you said the cooling is already fantastic, you wouldn't see much improvement... however if you really feel you need to make it a little cooler, just put a Paste like ICD 7 or MX-2 that's a little thicker
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I don't feel like doing it for no reason which is why I was asking around but one thing is sure though there is no way they are using the best thermal compound stock so there must be some kind of improvement that can be done to this.
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no it would in the M17x case raise your temps because there would be another medium the heat has to go through
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MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~
It's really up to you, It's not needed... however we do it on CPU's all the time... I'd say if you feel like it go for it! I was talking about doing it as well earlier... but when I got into the system and took a look at my GPU I realized it was more effort than was worth it... it's definitely alot harder putting Paste on a GPU, and it is meant to be that way
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dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate
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If i thought there was a need to replace it i would have already . Cooling works great on this machine except under full load it can be very loud lol
. with all 3 fans blazing it puts out some serious noise . fan control would be fantastic because i would never let them get that high and just have them running medium when games start instead of ramping up and down.
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Guys, mind supplying me the 3dmark06 scores for a STOCK Q9000 coupled with the 280M SLI?
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i think i will refuse to run 06 on the grounds it's useless
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lol, it's only useless if you have nvidia cards...if you have ati...it's the bomb!!!!
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my 9800m gtx record was 11064 gpu and p13046 i think
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i was talking about single card
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5740 i think.
M17x Benchmarks thread !!!
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