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    M17x Benchmarks thread !!!

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by The_Moo?, Jun 22, 2009.

  1. Charles P. Jefferies

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    Here's my latest run:

    QX9300 @ 3.0GHz (10x/1200MHz FSB)
    Mem at 1:2 with FSB (1200MHz)
    GTX 280M SLI w/ 9400M disabled, BatBoy's 186.24 driver

    3DMark Score: 10459
    GPU: 10111
    CPU: 11661

    Thanks for the tips. ;)

    My temps are normal - CPU is under 80*C, GPUs are in the mid 70*C range.

    The stock 179.xx drivers have been benching higher but the 186.24 might be better for actual games . . . not sure yet.
     

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  2. cookinwitdiesel

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    johnksss how do you access that voltage table editor in NiBiTor? I can not find it, I have Voltage IC and Extend Voltage Table both greyed out :( (but you did too in your pictures)
     
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    the 179's do bench well but they lack optimisation for alot of newer games chaz, if you want a good bench try the dox 182's or I had good result with the 186.03, but i believe drake tried em and couldnt get them to work :eek2:
     
  4. Charles P. Jefferies

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    Yeah that's what I was thinking as well; I am going to stick with the 186.24. I'm planning to do two games for the review - L4D and Crysis. If the laptop can run Crysis well, it can run any game well.

    I played Crysis for over an hour last night at 1920x1200/all High settings, no issues. Very smooth and fluid.
     
  5. dondadah88

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    there's some runs I would like you to do. L4D is a great game but it isn't demanding. dmc4 would be nice in your review. everything very high 8aa @1920*1200. there's a demo for it so it should be easy and a built in benchmarking tool.

    farcry2 is also alittle demanding but it has a lot of microstuttering in it and there's no demo for that. Moo has some on the first post of this page that should help you out on getting as much benchmarks as possible.(gaming at least not stress test) they are all free and some are demo with bulit in tools. this should help you out some more..

    what are you getting on crysis, high and very high?
     
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    Got a new bench to ahem, bench. It's STALKER: Clear Sky, you do not need the game for the bench, and it's a relatively small download found here: http://cs.stalker-game.com/en/?page=news&item=119

    Visually, it's somwhere between Crysis on high and very high, but it has its own DX10 effects not found elsewhere.
    [​IMG]
     
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    i'll d/load that one now and post back when done
     
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    @ chaz your cpu score is alittle low. what do you have running in the back ground?
    you should be near 12,000 or close to it.

    @ anothergeek
    Nice find. I wish I saw this when I had my whitebook or clevo. this is going to be a ati game. it supports dx10.1 which should boost fps some. also most patches were for ati so this game can be in ati's favor like crysis is for nvidia but I dd get some numbers that can prove it wrong unless a 4850x2 can beat this (below.) for my whitebook everything maxed out with qx9300 at 3.2ghz and stock 3870x2 @ 1920*1200, I got 5-15 fps. that is with 9.4 driver. I didn't spend much time on it though to see if crossfire was working or not. but I think it was 5 without crossfire and 10-15 with crossfire. I never tried it on my sager so I can't tell you what the 9800m gtx would get. this is game play. I want to note though that the game has about 8 patches on it. so how up to date is this benchmark, I don't know. the patches included sli/crossfire fixes, aa fixes, dx10.1 fixes. that was a lot more so this can change from what others are getting from the real game and the benchmark.
    edit another note is aa was on. I don't remember if it was 4aa or 8aa though :(
    after trying the game out I think it is more stressful then crysis but I can be wrong.
     
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    From what I read, the bench is patched to 1.07. I have the game, and it's patched to 1.09, performance is basically the same. Yes, this should be an Ati game, but we'll see.

    One thing to note here are sun rays. With the ultra preset, sun rays are on high, which demolishes performance. When I play the game, I use the same settings, everything maxed but sun rays on low. Thankfully the bench does the same run, but under various weather conditions.
     
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    thanks a lot for the incite about the patches. can you find the release notes for it from .07 and .09. I dn't remember what patched I used but it had my whitebook until may 09-jun 09 so the last patch I did was may. so whatever the patch was releasedbefore then I had it.

    the bcneh is alittle confusing on my phone when I get to a computer I can read i t and see what's up.

    I wany to say it's a ati game because the patches mostly was about how it fixes crossfire this and that and how it does dx10.1 and it barely mentioned nvidiia. maybe the first one said something about sli but that was really it.

    but my game play wasn't showing all that. so we shall see. :)

    also I ddn't try it patched and unpatched otherwise I would have had an answer :( nor did I try it on the clevo. :(
    /Fail.
     
  11. cookinwitdiesel

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    Is there any way to verify the voltage going to the GPUs besides pulling the bios and looking at it? I am unsure of whether the change I made is taking effect or not
     
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    you can use everest. it should help you out.

    if not then pcwi1ard is anoter one.
     
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    I see

    well the vantage stuttering thing is really annoying me....is that what people were referring to about lower performance at higher clocks?
     
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    here mine is at stock :)
     

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    Is that at 1080p? I'll run a 1080p bench when I'm home to see where 1 card stands exactly. It's a bit sensitive to overclocking, but my card has seen better days. I got a run in at 630/1575/1000 and stopped there.

    Clear Skies can be gorgeous at times... ;)
     

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    since I am on vacation anyway here....I am going to take a break form stressing my laptop and actually enjoy it! It is a little too frustrating dealing with this new found stutter and unstable OC's and swapping drivers and what not

    I'll be back later guys :)
     
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    That was at 1920x1080 :)

    ultra settings :)
     
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    Yes I have my GPU's at 690/1725/1065, I'm using Dox 182.05 drivers, they seem to work the best for me, and are quite stable, you might want to give those ones a try too.
     
  19. Mandrake

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    Test it with your x9100.
     
  20. Charles P. Jefferies

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    I am downloading the DMC4 demo now, I will run the benchmark tonight. Once all my downloads finish, I'll fire up Crysis.

    I tried downloading the Stalker: Clear Sky benchmark, but I cannot get to the download site. If anyone has an alternate download link I will try that.
    12000 overclocked or stock? I was about 300 points shy of 12k @ 2.93GHz/11x.

    That said, I got rid of my FSB/RAM overclocking and just set the multiplier to 11x (2.93GHz). My 3.0GHz/10x/1200MHz RAM/FSB setup crashed halfway through PCMV. 11.5x is not stable; 11x is rock solid though.
     
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    your fine. sorry i thought you were at 3.07 for some reason.
    dig up some scores that i never uploaded.
    just check the cpu only.
    Ocz whitebook/qx9300/ati 3870x2
    3.2ghz
    http://i28.tinypic.com/29c9fmp.jpg
    2.53ghz
    http://i42.tinypic.com/nfl0dw.jpg
    i never did 2.93ghz and i don't remember what 3.07 was but this should give you a general idea of where you are suppose to be for vantage.

    @mandrake
    what's your highest cpu score for vantage since you at 3.325ghz????
     
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    Well.....of course temptation overcame me....was looking at a few of my vantage stores and saw that my current GPU and CPU OC (not even a high GPU oc....was just my frist test) got me a dam fine score....so I will be playing around with it tonight....haha

    refresher for the uninformed:
    P11642
    CPU: 12548 (3150 MHz)
    GPU: 11368 (650/1625/1050)

    I am just in spitting distance of 12k GPU! (if I can get that dam stutter to stop)

    And this is all on the factory install of Vista, not a clean one. So I am officially addicted to benchmarking and can't stop lol
     
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    i hear ya.

    i had the same problem...all i could do was check to see if the temps shot up which they didn't....

    good question.... ill check in a few.
     
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    believe me mate gets even harder when you get 11897 and you can smell 12k

    I will just wait for a new bios, i dont really want to vmod my cards for the sake of an artifical score
     
  25. cookinwitdiesel

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    found it

    NiBiTor -> Tools -> Voltage Table Editor
     
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    dont take this personal, but...over clocking your system already makes your score artificial...if going by those standards. and asking for or waiting on a bios with more voltage is the same as vbios modding your video card.

    if your speaking on a personal best, then that is something different. a personal best without any voltage change might be a better way to put it.
    but hardly artificial my friend.

    make sure the left side voltages go from small to big and the right side numbers go big to small.

    only get the hang of it, don't go flashing anything just yet. you only meed to change 1.03 to 1.05 only.
     
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    Tell me about it, it can become addicted; I managed to get my 4850s to lob out 10.6k raw GPU score earlier today in vantage and would love to break 11 (there's a pic in my thread :)), but reality has to kick in somewhere especially when you consider you're often hurting long term lifespan for the sake of benching at some speeds you're likely never to use in day to day life anyway :eek:

    I think we'd both cry if we totalled our expensive playthings!
     
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    what i meant was for the sake of an artificial score being a few hundred marks in vantage. 0.7% increase might look nice in scores but can you notice it in crysis ? :p

    and yes alex its too addictive...
     
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    understood pman...

    it goes back to what i said about dropping the score all together and just looking at the fps only. because if you go by that..then you and mandrake are even.
    and in the end...the fps is the only real thing that matters...that and no artifacting

    edit:
    and yes, very addictive...so much so that i went out and did an all out desktop version...lol
     
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    I scored 16.8K with the CPU OC'ed with the 179 drivers. Same as the 186 drivers. Problem is I cannot OC the GPU's via NST with the 179 driver installed. The system locks up every time.
     
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    Mandrake, how did you work around the stutter issues with quad core? You were able to get out a P12000 run.....so was the qx9300 then....
     
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    Yes my best overall score was with the qx9300. To avoid the drop in FPS I lowered my cpu to 3.2Ghz but it would still happen every once in a while.

    Define what you call stuttering for me. What I see happening in FO3 with the 186.24 driver and what happens in Vantage are two different things.
     
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    what is happening in vantage is that my frame rates will drop from 30+ to single digits for no reason (and it is random, not always at the same time in the tests)

    It lasts usually 2-4 seconds then everything goes back to normal, this has happened as little as 1 time per run to as many as 7 or 8

    You dropped your cpu to 3.2....mine is only at 3.15 lol

    Also it is worth noting that when I ran vantage with stock GPUs and OC on cpu i was fine.....0 stutters over like 10 runs, where with OC on gpu I get stutter in every run (usually multiple times per run)

    For what it is worth....my GPUs are set to 670/1675/1000 and 1.04 V

    Do you think I just need to try a lower GPU OC? Even though these seem to be plenty stable? And my temps never got over 74, so those should not be the problem
     
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    Mandrake, sorry if this has been asked before but it seems like it would be really hard to find in a 339 page thread.....

    What kind of OC settings did you have going when you got your 17556 score? I assume it was with a QX9300? My highest with the CPU/GPU OC'd is just under 16000.
     
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    scook9 flash your vbios to stock voltaged untill this issue is fixed.
     
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    here is another little tip...it's not always the hihgest over clock that wins.... :)
    it's what you do with your current over clock and make it better before looking to over clock higher. if you drop mem by 1 mhz and run the test causing all the problems...you may gain a better understanding of the stuttering...

    1:high or spiking temps gpu
    2:high or spiking temps on cpu
    3 :eek:ver clock is too high for the setting you have on your system. try running afr/sfr only
    4: get some cool air blowing on that baby, medium to high temps are the enemy! no matter how many people try to say it aint. :D
     
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    What's the stock voltage? Change it back if it's not at stock. When I see it in Vantage it never happened more than once in a run and sometimes it never happened. I will run more tests tomorrow but from what I can remember if I keep my GPUs at stock settings it doesn't happened at all.

    This brings me to gaming which I only saw slight and quick pauses with the 186.24 drivers. It wasn't a gradual drop in FPS it was a complete stop that happens in less than a second. Then it happened every so often while gaming, never timed it. I thought that was stuttering. What I saw in Vantage I attributed to high OC'ing similar to seeing a driver crashing.

    I honestly don't remember what my GPU settings were at but my CPU was at 3.3Ghz. I can hit 16.8K just OC'ing up to 3.25Ghz with no GPU OC.
     
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    Yes and if you're starting to over volt that will only introduce more heat and make the situation worse.
     
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    hmmm, I will be out the next couple days, but will play around with some OC at stock voltage on video cards. I would like something as simple as 650/1625/900 area. That is a Desktop 8800GTS G92 haha, so a very formidable desktop setup, IN MY LAPTOP!

    I really want to keep the qx9300 in this machine
     
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    the qx9300 is for cpu stuff, not really gpu stuff or most games...if your encoding/transcoding or decoding files...the qx is the cpu for you...if your just gaming 90 percent of the time...then a lessor cpu will do fine.
     
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    I use the laptop for engineering work at school as well

    I am also a heavy multitasker when not gaming, and I laid down $500 for it....I want to get that out of it!

    I am actually considering taking very good care of this (ssd's and maybe some more ram) and selling my desktop......so we shall see
     
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    i'm going to do the same for my m17x. and i'm going to keep it for 2-3 years. :)
     
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    Yeah well see about that :D.
     
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    Lol. what do you mean? i plan on keeping the m17x for a while. and since i am going to do that, i am going to max it out.
     
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    Care to place a bet now ? i can always use some extra cash :D.
     
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    Mmmmm. i have to think about it. i only make bets when i'm 1000 percent sure i'm going to win. it depends on what it is :)
     
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    2-3 years is an eternity in the computer world we both know this very well . Id say a year more then likely myself :).
     
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    ok a more realistic time is maybe until the end of '10 mid '11.
     
  49. Alexrose1uk

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    Sounds like my plans for the M17, expecting to start looking for a replacemnt in about 18 months, and will replace in 18-24 :)
    Will all be paid off in 11 months so thats not a worry for me in the slightest :D
    I really have sold off my desktop like Scook, selling all the bits as we speak :)
     
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    hehe i am already on the lookout for a replacement ;)


    EDIT -- WAHOOO 1000th Post!!!!
     
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