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I'm just hoping for a reduction in coil noise.

 

Gaming should still be better with the 4870's regardless of RAM.

That doesn't take the sting out of this whole fiasco, though.

 

we just need some benchmarks from them.

the 4870 is going to be faster stock because they are xt's meaning that they were fatory overclocked....

how much can they be pushed to is different but I will test out the 280m on my side.

 

Well the 4870s in the M17x are clocked the same as the ones in the Asus W90 (minus the memory clocks: 850 vs 888). But I think the ones in the M17x should clock just as high when overclocked. A 12k GPU score should be possible if the M17x can accept newer drivers.

 

that would put them dead on track with the GTX 280m's then.....record on GPU score is 1206- right now....

 

zennik, what happened to those pics you posted? I may be mistaken, but wasn't there a Dell P/N sticker on the cards? I wanted to check this against the P/N listed on my build list.....

 

i have contacted the engineer i spoke with and he asked to be linked to this page. he said the prototype he had in hand was 100% gddr5 but it WAS a prototype and he did not work on the final production parts so he thinks they could have swapped out. he will see what he can find out. he may or may not post here or he will email me back with whatever he finds. he said all the paperwork he has says gddr5 still on it also. and yes striker that is the part number i got from him also.. he seemed actually upset himself by hearing this. unless he is simpoly lying i dont know. i only know him through my normal channels at dell

 

Nice find z. hopefully it will get sorted out.

 

Here's one:

http://thebasementlan.org/upload/2166773DSCN0578.JPG

I'll see if I can find the links to the others

 

http://thebasementlan.org/upload/7116797DSCN0575.JPG
http://thebasementlan.org/upload/2924835DSCN0576.JPG

 

THANKS Z!

I am awaiting a reply from a couple Dell folks myself..... this thing has me a little miffed as well, having the smell and feel of the W90 situation. I hope we can get some HONEST answers here soon. Bums me out to see some of these folks not getting what they expected.

 

so....as of today...these 4870s are in fact 4870 gddr3 chips. is that what's going on?

 

That is what is up so far Johnksss

It is pretty dissapointing

 

that's only if you bought one or we're planing to buy one right at this moment...

flip side...how are they running or are we back to the stupid driver issue. (that has been pointed out time and time again)

didn't really see any benchmarks in here...

 

so far there are driver issues

I can't lie...I don't mind still having strong old GTX 280m's

 

ichime got me hyped when he did that 7k gpu, so i was wondering what these things would do in the m17x...but looks like we may have to wait a bit to find that out. just because they are gddr3, doesn't mean they wont show up the 280m's....but then.....it's all in who does the testing.

 

and how they scale with this nvidia chipset, that is still a big unknown as well

 

The 10.5 k vantage @ stock should of told you ......

 

Well Zennik so far got a preliminary GPU score of 10609 with 9.9 drivers on vantage with the 4870's.

 

it told me it was a start. a very nice start indeed.
but these cards seem to have scaling issues (with certain games or benchmarks)when they we're in the w90. was hoping to see if they beat that downfall here. along with being able to over clock them as well.

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the 3870's had scaling issues also not new news there.. it is looking like these are gddr3 and he is trying to find out why and what changed for the released version

 

zfactor,

any news from your contact regarding the ati 4870s?

 

Dell has now modified two orders im aware of(mine included)

I went back and looked at my order on dells website after they asked me to forward them a copy of my original invoice... they've removed ALL references to GDDR5.

 

My invoice has been changed to remove the reference to GDDR5, but I still have the e-mailed invoice to use once I get the system.

 

I have my e-mailed invoice, and the following:

http://thebasementlan.org/upload/7436783001.jpg

I edited out any references with personal info

 

So I guess the next step is what do we do about it. The premium price was paid for the upgrade. This was obviously false advertising, and there has been no overtures from Dell to make it right.

Wish I was a lawyer.

 

I'm not sure how they're going to treat all of this. I've popped an email off to a few people I know that might be able to get an actual straight answer about all of this, but I probably wont hear back until next week.

 

Mine was changed also. I emailed my resolution specialist and asked for an explanation....as if I didn't already know.

 

I still have my 'Order Confirmation' email with the GDDR5 reference, but when I log-in to my account, this reference has also magically disappeared.

It would appear that Dell's position is now going to be, 'dummy-up' damage control. I sent out a couple of emails to Dell contacts, and so far, no replies..... "Mums-The-Word'! I also fired off an email to Dell Customer Care, [email protected] .

Within this email, I was very specific to the problem, and cited the information stamped on the Samsung mem chips. Dell Customer Care TOTALLY ignored this issue, only providing the following 'canned' response:

This is sad, and again soooooo reminiscent of the Asus W90 affair.

 

I'm just really curious about how this situation turns out to be ! Lets see how professional they really are.

 

For sure..... time will tell, and Dell's handling of this matter, will certainly reflect their integrity..... all eyes are on them now.

 

I'm in total agreement with your statement here !!!

 

nothing to really be professional about...except to refund your money. and apologize for the "err ah mix up" technically speaking. (and pure speculations of course)

 

Oh yeah ?! So, misinforming and misleading people not enough ?

You know, there is one little thing such: "Treat your customers well when the times are good and they will come back to you when the times are bad", something of that nature, but i guess you get my point.

 

John is just speaking to his experience dealing with these companies..... and sadly, he is probably right.

WE SHALL SEE!

 

Yeah i dont think much will happen beyond offering refunds or some type of compensation... There are no miracles that are suddenly going to happen like they pull DDR5 cards out of there magic hats...

The first bios release for the M17x said something along the lines of fixing compatibility issues with ATI ddr3 cards.. That was the first clue of what was coming... Since they are not offering both 4850DDR3 and 4870DDR5 cards well it turned out the 4870s were the DDR3 cards they were talking about all along...

Its all misleading for sure but there will be no public apology ever from Dell as they dont operate that way.. Never have and never will period...

 

dont get me wrong guys..i want to be wrong!! dead wrong! but it's usually how they get out of these things...

and we been down the screaming foul/lawsuits/had lawers making calls and what did we get in the end...

sorry for your inconvience. you can take your full refund or keep the product. or hope the part in question comes in... it's nothing personal digital...just how these sort of things seem to work.... striker has been on the front lines with a few of these things as well...<input id='gwProxy' type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id='jsProxy' type="hidden"><input id='gwProxy' type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id='jsProxy' type="hidden">

 

Agreed.......

All this just leaves me wondering about ethics, honesty, and integrity. I guess the all-mighty dollar takes precedence after all, and 'cover-up' will be the 'status-quo'.

Perhaps I am too much the idealist...... but I just think sincere apologies should be easily given (admiting and correcting the wrong), and public faith and trust should be more the focus..... but who am I to say, LOL!

 

Yes that ideal world you would like to see will never happen... As long as they are handing out refunds or compensation for unhappy people thats good enough and in truth it is good enough.. Dont like it ? Return it .. That simple really..

 

Well the question now is going to be: Is it worth spending the extra $100 if you purchase a new PC? And the second question to ask is for current owners: Is it worth spending $800 to upgrade from GTX280M to the 4870.

I know for a fact that I won't upgrade until the 5800 / GT300M comes out. It surely looks like the 4870 offered in the M17X won't beat the GTX280M. It's sad to think that Nvidia has been using the same old architecture for about 4 years now and they are still very close in performance to ATI which has a totally new architecture. Makes you wonder...

 

Come on guys. It is a computer with false advertisement. Yeah there are legal actions that can be taken but the outcome is not going to be anything that will bother Dell. They prmised ATI cards for M17 which happened (sort of) for a few days but that is it. Almost all of the manufacturers had false advertised stuff. Sometimes it is better than advertised (Gateway FX series with better CPU or better screen), or worse (AW computers or Toshiba X305).

 

I prefer to take a positive spin on the situation and simply get some cash off the purchase price. It's not like these cards will be total garbage...well I hope not.

 

yeah, i dont think they are garbage. and in your position...you can test drive it for a week or two then return it if it's not up to par...

 

The cards themselves aren't giving me any trouble at all. My performance is excellent (for example, Crysis at HIGH settings at 1920x1200 and I'm doing just fine).

I just want Dell to refund the price difference of $100. I like the cards.

 

My rep called me back and said the cards will be GDDR5.

I told him be prepared to take them back if they are not and he said no problem. lol!

 

Here's a question for you Mandrake, What solid proof did he have when he told you that they will be GDDR5? hehehhe

anyway, I hope you do get the GDDR5, so I can get mine too. And did he mentioned any EDD for your m17x?

 

Yeah he said look at the manufacture site they say it's GDDR5, lol!

No EDD yet and I wouldn't bank on any of these cards being GDDR5.

 

Just like my sales rep assured me I would get both hdd caddies...and didn't. He even put me on hold to check with is manager for me lol

But this is much worse. I hope this get straightened out for you guys

 

Oh I also sent him a screen shot of what my order status page used to look like and show him that it changed. He didn't address that fact.

 

Dell seems to be good at digging themselves in an even bigger hole. They should flat out address this issue and at least attempt to do some form of damage control.