M17x Refresh Discussion

24 hours before the big day starts.

Will Dell announce a refresh of the M17X???

That is the question!!!

 

They damn well better announce it and have it on display. All I want out of the refresh is i7 support + RGB LED.

 

If they get an I7, 5870, and LED M17X I will change mine...

 

How much do you think I can sell my M17X for?

 

I'll buy your QX9300 for 100$! just putting it out there.

I'm happy with my M17x right now, but i'm excited to see the proposition of an i7 with dual GPUs. That thing will be a BEAST!

 

$100... LOL

I am not selling yet, just wondering how much my system is worth.

 

C2Q QX9300 OC'd to 3.0 GHz will beat the i920XM so the i7 won't do much for the new M17x in terms of performance gain. I don't even care about that aspect, all I want is that RGB LED display + possibly SLI GTX 285. The 5870 is a 128 bit card, it sucks. I've paid off a DPA acct with 4 grand ready and waiting for this sucker..come on Dell don't disappoint me!

 

I believe you would be the only one here on this forum preferring the GTX285 compared to the 5870...

 

Doubt it..the 5870 would be slower..you realize that right? Plus I hate ATi's lack of mobile support. I'm not a big fan of depending on user modded desktop drivers.

 

I am not sure the 5870 would be slower, that is yet to be proven and on top of that the GTX280M in the M17X requires modded drivers to even be installed...

I am neither an ATI fan nor an Nvidia hater and I will wait to see benchmark but in between a 5870 crossfire and 280SLI, I would choose the 5870 crossfire.

We all know that Nvidia is not coming with anything new for many more months.

 

Yep, it is a disappointment to me, this is clearly not what I was hoping for...
128bit and GDDR5 (in many cases even GDDR3!) Does it ring a bell? We'll get some 10-20% increase over 280M/4870 +DX11 which is still to be polished...I'll wait till fermi makes it to notebooks...2 years from now

 

Bang your head against this info for awhile ...

Anandtech is a great source and they break it down real good about the new 5870m with what to expect and what not to ....

http://anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3711

 

Not the only one,
I'm with you, Joker...
ATI...So frustrating...

 

I don't mind having two of those in my m17x. I see the crossfirs-X slot. Looks like the default HS from the 4870 will be of no problem for that 5870.

 

Yeah it seems to do well against the 280m...

 

Graph looks good and all...only problem is we should be comparing the performance of a single 5870 card to 280m in SLI. How much cost savings were really there for ATI to mass produce the 128 bit over the 256 bit? I swear the way with at least the mobile market goes these two companies are in cohoots with eachother not to totally dominate one another.

 

I'm not so sure about ati anymore simply cause driver support should never be left up to asus, hp, dell, or all others

 

Yeah im still as always skeptical when the source handing out the info is the one producing the winning card .. Im line for G73 either way but until i see the real info i am remaining cautiously optimistic ... If nothing else it will be fun to play around with and worst case it gos up for sale if i am unhappy .. Im not really to worried either way..

 

It would require a MASSIVE die shrink to make the card 256bit... If you saw the power draw from the desktop cards you would have a heart attack lol... 5850 is about 315w and the 5870 is like 387w lol.. So expecting that same tech in the mobile side of things so soon is just unrealistic unless they clocked it down to near idle clocks which it sits around 33w i believe... Though i do wish it were 256bit but im just trying to remain realistic once you know what it takes to power these HAWGS...

 

PR slides from AMD. Even if this thing bests the 280M, I want to see nVidia's answer first (e.g. 285M).

 

Quad I agree though it aggravate me that we aren't seeing gddr5 in the system when its realistic and wanted too

 

Ah I see...I just thought the die shrink tech would be there by now for the mobile markets, then again my knowledge and expertise on die shrink developments is elementary at best lol. Anyway, I wouldnt think twice about your preorder either Quad, a SINGLE card that will outperform the 280 and 4870 with an i7 is nothing to think twice about at that price

 

It is DDR5, its the bit bus that has the pitchforks out.

 

Hopefully we will see if and what Nvidia strikes back with tomorrow...

Dx11 games are still again far off so what we need now is Fast DX10/10.1 hardware and im sure what ever Nvidia can throw together to battle this will if nothing else break even and in some cases(maybe alot of cases ? lol) best the ATI offering.. Nvidia knows that DX11 is still not fully upon us game wise so they really dont have to rush to the market with anything because to date there is one game out(DIRT2) and only a handful on the horizon at this point... Sure that will change but by then we will be looking at new hardware and having this same discussion all over again ...

 

Yeah and DDR5 is supposed to alleviate those shortcomings of the 128bit and in most cases it should but there are exceptions to this like Crysis which relies heavily on it .. That part is always concerning because if its Crysis now then whats next that will need it etc...

I am not even excited from the DX11 standpoint because lets face it in that its going to be a weak DX11 card but a good DX10.1 card thats about all i get from it ....

 

if you look at the ati 4x00 they say gddr5 too but everyone stuck to gddr3

 

apparently nvidia 300m's are only going to DirectX 10.1 for mobile cards at least
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5a2c3b7fb78.0.html

 

the chart make the columb look really high but the higher mark is 120% ....... that definitly don't sound good to me at all look lik i'll wait for the 68XX serie to change my comp......

ehhh the power drain of the 5870 is around 190 w not 300 the 5970 has downclocked cores so it don't pass by 300

i hope they will make plenty of $ with thoses but i'm definitly not jumping that wagon i just hope ati is not starting to make crap like nvidia and that 128 bit is a mistake

 

the 5970 are made to handle up to 400w and made to overclock

 

Yeah when i was looking at those articles before i was looking at TSP(total system power) not TDP ..


Here is TDP ...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650

 

...Is that it?
Dell's CES press event is over and no word on a notebook with the new ATI cards?

 

Looks like this is it... can't wait any longer after i waited a month. I guess I will be ordering a M17x tonight... wish there was a refresh T_T

 

i7 on M17x
http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/direct2dell/default.aspx

more info
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/alienware-m17x-and-m15x-gaming-laptops-get-revamped-optx-aw2310/

 

I want to see USB 3.0 and a LED Display

But still surpirsed NVIDIA is not going with a DX11 mobile GPU yet.

 

Well, thanks for the news^_^ That is such great news... I feel so much better now.

 

They didn't really say anything about the refreshed M17x.

 

Yes, they said the M17X is now available with a core I7.

 

Like I said they didn't really say much. What about the RGB LED option? And what tweak did they make to the M15x?

 

What about the video cards? Will they remain ATI 4870 and NVIDIA GTX 280? Or have they included the new ATI 5870?

 

I would say a change in GPUs would definitely be top news. And since this wasn't mentioned, I take it they use the same GPUs they have been using. At least for now.

 

Come onnnnn.... Core i7 with dual 5870? that would be PERFECT! Alienware can't miss on that one, I mean, they can't announce only i7 right now and decide to put the new videocards later

 

The 5870 probably won't be available in large enough quantities for Dell. Plus we still need to see what nVidia announces.

 

I am sure a new video card will be available shortly. I am interested in learning about Nvidia announcement but I am willing to bet there won't be an Nvidia enthusiast card announced since they already announced the GTX360M as performance...

 

A refresh with only i7 and nothing else is just a horrible decision

 

Well the talk is that it will also have RGB. Check out the other refresh threads.

 

Well there's meant to be a GTX285m, its possible this could be renamed to GTX380 though...

It wont be over til we have card prices and crossfire/sli results from the new cards though (reason I say this, is at least on the desktop, 57 series cards scale VERY well compared to old series, which is what they appear to be based on, so might gain extra lead if crossfire scaling is better than expected).

 

go customize one and you'll see
hint arrendale
and maybe the screen

 

why? they don't even have DESKTOP DX11 cards yet. NVM high-performance mobile cards.

 

Well if Clevo is already posting an SLI i7 notebook with the 285M GTX, you know that Alienware is hot on this refresh! I talked to the main man at CES for nVidia he said there will be no new announcement at CES on any new mobile card, right now the GTS 360M is the fastest new card. He did hint that in maybe March there will be the GTX series that will beat the 'ATI Mobility HD5870 DDR5', he said with a smile...

http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo_2.asp?productid=177

 

Wow, that was disappointing. I have absolutely no interest in a gaming notebook with a small screen, and only adding an i5 and extra dual core i7 to the M15x isn't really exciting. I was hoping for something significant with the M17x, and absolutely nothing changed. I hope this indicates a completely new model. I'm still hoping a much better screen makes its way to whatever large laptop they make, whether it's 17" 16:10 (not likely in an entirely new system) or an 18" 16:9.