Mr. Fox's GeForce 344.75 Desktop Driver Mod for 780M, 880M and 980M Mobile GPUs

I certainly wouldn't throw out my 880M. It's paid for and unless I go 980M or better I there isn't much point.

When I had it running well I got over 10k in 3DM11, which at that time was a (distant) second behind Johnksss.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8538785

 

I am using 344.75 on my 680M SLI setup. I am guessing it's only a problem under Win 10? I am using Win 8.1 at the moment.

 

Wow, that's a pretty beastly score if you ask me. 2k points below a 980m.

 

2k points below a single 980m? ... Both OC cards. LOL http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8538785/3dm11/9208097

 

Still that's pretty beastly and better than the 780M. Also this user has a desktop CPU paired with the 980m, bound to exponentially increase the performance of the GPU. 6K is actually pretty good. I was actually expecting more than that, lol.

 

900 series has very powerful tessalation units that boost them much in benchmarks. Without tessalation bottleneck they aren't that much more powerful.

 

Last night I installed a 3940XM that I have had for a month or so. Even at stock clocks it makes a difference in games over the 3720QM that was in it. I am seeing about 20-30 fps gain in Mechwarrrior Online.

My 3DM11 score went up about 400 points even though I didn't take the GPU RAM up as high (bungled it). The CPU overclocks are the same in this run. CPU is running stock.


12578
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10394629

 

Yep and that effort was never to be duplicated.

 

Yes, but I am sure the 4960X is helping out too!

 

@deadsmiley it's not to pull your good bench results down in the dirt. Nice score by the way... But @PC GAMER need some correct facts.

If you compared 3Dmark11 comparison between Gtx880m vs Gtx980m then you see that the graphics score is 55% higher for Gtx980m ( Graphics Score 10538 vs 16358 = 55.2% higher. Forget the processor in the test comparison. The processor helps to increase overall score in 3Dmark11. Graphics score is not the same as the total score in the 3Dmark11 test . @PC GAMER Learn to analyze the whole test results first. Easier to understand the whole..

@PC GAMER Are you sure Gtx880 is much better than Gtx780m??? You say; Beastly and better than the 780M. Have you eaten pills? Forget the processor and total scores also in this comparison. Look at the graphics scores first then the totall 3Dmark11 score. The advantage of Gtx780m is that this "old" graphics card provides good benchtest results regardless of driver version. This is a much worse problem for Gtx880m. Old Gtx780m vs "much better" Gtx880m. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8410758/3dm11/8410219/3dm11/8560056/3dm11/8379683/3dm11/8538785

 

@Papusan no worries. I am just happy that I finally got the 880M working(ish) at stock clocks. It's a troublesome card. And I am always glad to learn new things. I have seen and heard people talk about graphics score versus total score and for some reason the light never went on for me. Just a little dense I guess.

 

You understand that Gtx880m is/can be a troublesome graphics card. Not everyone will make such a concession . Great that thee graphics card working.

 

Yes, it's a problem child and mine was better than most.

 

Well, it appears that there is a discrepancy in the overclocks made to both cards. The 880M had the lowest overclock of them all thus affecting the score, not by much though so yeah the 780M can beat the 880M by a couple of points. Keep in mind I said CAN. Look at my sig, there is a link, although not mine, to a person that got 18000 points on a non-overclocked 880M sli setup. The 780Ms barely get more than 2-3k difference and this is with a massive overclock made to them while a non-overclocked 880M sli still manages to keep up with them lol. The 880M is an unpredictable card, some performs poorly and are worse than the 780Ms while others perform better than the 780ms. All in all the 880M is around 10% better than the 780Ms. As for the 980m, @GodlikeRU pretty much said it. It's strong factor is tessellation which gives them an incredible boost in benchmarks. In-game they are roughly 20fps ahead of the 880M and sometimes less, Notebookcheck has a list of games and the 980m is around 8fps ahead of the 880m in GTA 5. To sum it all, the 980m is around 8-23fps ahead of the 880m. Same applies to the SLi score difference. Pascal is where it's at, new GDDR5X memory, HBM2 VRAM, 16nm chip, 10x better than maxwell: . The 900 series is old dude, the 980m literally means nothing to me and the performance it gives over my 880M is a proof of that. I am looking forward to the pascal GPUs.

 

Wow, you've been listening to far too many Kool-Aid drinkers and believed in too many of their lies. There are plenty of benchmarks that prove this is not accurate. The GTX 880M was an example of an engineering fiasco and it is a huge dud. It is totally owned by 780M SLI and with 980M SLI it is literally a blood bath. On top of that, it's buggy and malfunctions for most people, most of the time. Relying upon what users report as FPS in games is very unreliable. There are many factors that can affect end user results playing games, which can vary widely based on user settings and game engine optimization. A good analysis is best achieved with synthetic benchmarks so that all settings are uniform and you are working on a level playing field, with the primary wildcard being drivers. When those results are uploaded to a database you can be selective about the results that get counted in the measurement rather than taking someone's word on face value as being accurate. (You never know if what they are telling you is accurate, or what it might be based on in terms of settings, etc.)

Taking some the best examples of when 880M is working correctly, which is very rare for most 880M owners, look at these graphics scores...

Overclocked Fire Strike Scores: 780M SLI vs 880M SLI vs 980M SLI


Overclocked 3DMark 11 Scores: 780M SLI vs 880M SLI vs 980M SLI

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Bear in mind, the 780M and 980M owners can typically reproduce their benchmark scores whenever they want to. The 880M owners typically cannot, because any given 880M GPU is generally too inconsistent, struggles to replicate what is it actually capable of doing on a good day, and most of them generally do not perform as well as what is captured in the above examples. That is not true for 780M or 980M... they are very consistent.

 

hi all

i tried the ddu and started fresh then proceded to try all 358.50 drivers in driver disable enforcement and still all failed ? was able to install the 345 standard drivers but the update wont connect to nvidia ?

 

Did you mod the 358.50 driver INF for your M17xR4? If not, you're going to have to do that. Since M17xR4 never shipped with 980M, drivers will always have to be modded to install.

 

@PC GAMER Those test of Gtx880m from others in your hardware signature is worth nothing. Gtx880m stock 993/1250 vs 1097/1554. The overcloced Gtx880m sli in your hardware signature is overclocked +10% but only give 2.9% higher grafic score than stock card in the bench test. +10% overclock and under 3% performance boost isn't something to bragging about. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9562429 Vs Oc Gtx880m http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9341832 One day you will understand what we try to tell you. I hope you can see the crippled graphics score from that overclocked Gtx880m http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/9562429/3dm11/9341832

 

While I don't disagree with you, I can't agree either. The 880M is an engineering fiasco don't get me wrong, saying otherwise would be a blatant lie @Papusan . The 880M, in the links you provided me, are far from being the best that there is. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/2402025/fs/4760525
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9341832
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9562429
This is what a fully functioning 880M is capable of achieving and as you see it outperforms the 780M by a bit. It doesn't scale well for the amount of overclock made, true but the value is still massive When the 880M does work as designed, it'll, obviously, give a better score than the 780M although the chance of that happening is pretty slim. I have to say that consistency is one of the biggest advantages of the 780m and 980m. I've come to the conclusion that the 880M, if not tweaked properly and running on a custom VBIOS, is far from being benchmark friendly hence why the 780M and 980M give off better results on average. That being said, synthetic benchmark will always favour the newest architecture which is why the 980M, with tessellation 2.0, gets a massive increase in performance. 55% on average,from the links above. I consider, not just me but many people as well, synthetic benchmarks to be biased and can't be solely based on to determine the difference between two GPUs. An OC'ed 980m sli gets 40-45fps more than an OC'ed 880m sli in 3dmark firestrike. In-game, a stock 980m sli gets roughly 20 more fps than my 880ms. I think this pretty much sums it all, 880M ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-880M.107622.0.html) vs 980M ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980M.126692.0.html). What I am trying to say is that 980M vs 880M in-game isn't much of a "bloodbath" considering the increase in fps. Using games as benchmark can be quite unreliable too due to the massive number of variables affecting the performance but I think this benchmark is actually far more important than synthetic benchmark as one would want great gaming performance first and foremost. I do understand that gaming isn't of top priority for you as you are an overclocker before anything else. The 880M will never satisfy an enthusiast much less an overclocker. I guess, what I am trying to say is that although 75-85% of all 880M produced are not of acceptable level, there are a few that do work as originally planned and I consider mine being a part of it which is why I sometimes feel like all the hostility towards them isn't necessary. i am pretty darn happy with them and considering the performance they give me in games, I'll probably continue doing so for the next 2-3 years until they become obsolete.

 

Hi all
I think I understand the driver mod I make it think I'm using a 780m in my aw m17 r4 when it's a 980m for latest drivers?

 

ok im pretty new on 980m so i bought this card from Woodztack, install everything correct, disable driver and blabalabla, install from scratch this modded MR FOX driver
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...od-for-780m-880m-and-980m-mobile-gpus.767644/
and got this result, is pretty damm low, anyone can help me?
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9257466

i'm using M17x R4 3940xm, 16GB G.Skill, 120Hz screen and 240w PSU

 

Visit @j95 thread. With Maxwell in an Alienware you will need to use his driver mods and @Prema vBIOS or it will throttle like crazy. The driver is in thread works great for Clevo with 980M, but it does not address Alienware throttling. That takes a lot of tweaking (and still may not be perfect) and j95 has put a lot of time and effort into this to make it the best it can be for 980M-powered Alienware owners.

 

ok ima try it tonight

 

is there a current update mod for the 780m/can i update the official and still use?

 

No, unfortunately. Newer drivers are no good for 780M. Use this or 345.20 mod. Or, just install new drivers and if you don't have throttling, use them. If you do have throttling, export the game profiles you want from the newer drivers using NVIDIA Inspector, go back to one of these mods and import the profiles. NVIDIA has basically abandoned driver support GTX 780M owners because everything they have released after 345.20 in February has been garbage for 780M.

 

@Mr. Fox reuploaded the mega link here too:

https://mega.nz/#!aNAB3aLY!tSOYL5C0mD8ScuTR8z___BH-UzkYb5rXKsJzCcb3P2c

 

Thanks! Updated link in OP.

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Try this option to disable DSE. It works and I just recently discovered the command.

Open an elevated command prompt and run the syntax below. Reboot, and DSE should be disabled for good. No need to temporarily disable DSE the old way.

Code:

bcdedit.exe /set nointegritychecks on

I am now able to install modded drivers without having to boot with DSE temporarily disabled. Works on the Sky X9 and Panther with W10 TH2. I've done it probably a dozen time in the past two weeks.

 

Yup thats low. should be about 40-50% more then that. Is it throttling ? Whats causing it ?

 

no matter now, i sold it.

 

Do modded drivers stop/reduce 980M throttling? I'm on Prema vBIOS (thanks, Woodzstack!) and I'd like to try a remedy to keep the clocks from oscillating
If someone could point me to the right direction I'd be grateful!

 

Check with @j95 or @[Nikos] on which is the best driver for your Alienware 980M throttling condition. It takes some special tweaks and my driver mods don't have that for 980M.

 

Check with Mr. Fox! He knows better

 

They can certainly help with that, but as I already mention, my mods are not optimized for Alienware systems with Maxwell throttling issues. They work best on Kepler. Screwed up drivers, which is very common now for NVIDIA, can definitely cause it. But, so can a crappy vBIOS, using the wrong Windows power profile otions, or using the "Adaptive" power mode in NVIDIA Control Panel. Start with the Windows power profile. Set it to "High performance" and max out everything improve performance, then turn off everything designed to reduce power consumption. Next, move on to the NVIDIA Control Panel, take control of the behavior instead of "Let the 3D application decide" and set the "High performance" options, especially the power management mode, for the Global settings tab. If you're not using a @Prema or @svl7 vBIOS, you should be. If neither of those help, start swapping and tweaking drivers and hopefully it will get better. But, there is no guarantee if you are using Maxwell in an Alienware.

 

Mr Fox, what drivers have you been using while benching on the P870DM?

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A number of different drivers... but, none of them are great drivers. NVIDIA doesn't seem to know how to make good drivers any more.

 

The power options are ALWAYS on max performance for me. This is actually one of the very first things I do when I reinstall Windows - get all the power saving crap out of the system.
As for the vBIOS - how do I check whether I have a Prema vBIOS? I was promised Prema when I bought the cards and now Woodzstack says I've got some weird new vBIOS that came out a couple of months ago with master/slave type of thing... Not really sure what I'm supposed to be having anymore...

Inspector says this:
84.04.85.00.0A on the first card
84.04.85.00.0D on the second card

As for the drivers...well, I'm using the newest ones at the moment. The performance is not bad by any means, but you know better than anyone that when you have it great - you still want it BETTER...
So if there's a way to reduce power throttling of the boost clocks - I'm all ears. I want my boost clocks to be applied 24/7, that would be a perfect scenario...

 

If you have the @Prema vBIOS the temp target and voltage will be unlocked. The voltage is never unlocked on stock MXM vBIOS. Check with NVIDIA Inspector.

You need to have the master/slave vBIOS with the Alienware 18 or the fans will be all jacked up, so it is correct that they show as different versions like that. You can put the master vBIOS on the slave GPU and it will work, but you'll have trouble with the fans because of some sort of weird glitch with the Alienware/Compal EC. This only applies to the Alienware 18, not the M18xR2.

You may regret using the 361.43 drivers. There are enough rumors starting to surface about GPUs dying with that driver that it's not worth rolling the dice to find out if they are accurate. I stopped using it.

 

Thanks for the reply! I've got the temp target and the voltages seemingly unlocked...
The voltage slider lets me add +25mV and works fine. The temp target, however, looks unlocked, but it stays on 101 degrees no matter what. If I move it and hit apply - it just jumps back to 101.

As for the driver... well, had it for a good while now. Seems I've dodged so many bullets with my system that I'm not even sure if there's a REAL threat anymore... Maybe because I run my system out of specs at all times and my laptop is up and running 24/7..?
For example, I'm reading about constant driver crashes on 361.43 yet I'm experiencing nothing of the sorts - rock-solid driver. Maybe people have too much crap on their machines, who knows...
I know how to keep mine clean and even Malwarebytes can't dig anything up
But...if someone could suggest a 'better' driver that I would benefit from then by all means please do.

 

Then you don't have the @Prema vBIOS. The +25mV is not unlocked. They all do that and it's not enough to bother with. You can go up to 1.200V with the unlocked version and the temp slider will go up to like 92°C and stay where you put it.

Here is the correct thread for that:
***Prema Mod Alienware 18 970M / 980M SLI Performance vBIOS***

 

So these drivers are better then the newest NVIDIA drivers? when i look up some people's performance with the 780M, it's beating the crap out of my 780M wich is OC'd +100mhz wich is odd.
Someone is getting 100-120fps with a 780M, while i get 50-70fps.

I'll try your drivers and see if theres a difference.

EDIT: The drivers don't seem to work on mine, it's giving a yellow triangle in device manager.

It says Error Code 43

 

Would be interested to see. My Stock VBIOS/Driver 780Ms with a +100MHz would actually throttle like b*tches, maybe that's your case too?
Let us know what you find. MAYBE it would actually be worth for me to grab this driver too, though I am really not complaining about my 980Ms under Prema VBIOS.

 

No it wasn't throtling at all, temps were quiet low ie 75-77c (with the fan ramped up)

But the drivers don't seem to work, my Intel HD and 780M are giving error code 43, not sure what it means.

 

43 error is generated when Device Manager stops a hardware device because the hardware reported to Windows that it's having some kind of unspecified problem.
This generic message could mean there's a true hardware issue or it could simply mean that there's a driver problem that Windows isn't seeing as such but that the hardware is being affected by.

 

Use DDU to clean the previous drivers installed, disable driver signature check (google on how to do it... Google is your friend) and install the drivers. If you don't disable the driver signature check, they won't install. Easy right?

 

I did all that, i think Windows 10 is the cause of it, i remember having that yellow triangle whenever i install win8.1 drivers and mod INF file.

But i've fixed the FPS drops i've been having with the latest drivers, so it's all good now.

 

@Rimas , Are you getting any throttling with 980M on your AW18 with Prema BIOS ? (3 versions so far iirc- AW 18 BIOS, Clevo BIOS v1.x v2.x for post 361.x Drivers due to nGreedia being a complete mess with new drivers since 347.88)

EDIT : svl7's vBIOS also there for the 980M iirc..

 

Unless you use older drivers like 345.20 or 344.75, or even older, 780M SLI is going to run like crap in an Alienware thanks to NVIDIA's cancer drivers.

NVIDIA doesn't care and I seriously doubt that they are ever going to fix it. Personally, I believe that they did it on purpose to create the appearance of a wider performance gap to make 980M seem better than it actually is. They might as well just release drivers that brick every GPU that isn't based on Maxwell. With Alienware being the brand that seems to be the most affected, it make me wonder if maybe they paid NVIDIA to screw things up to help them sell more new laptops. At any rate, NVIDIA has to be a pretty sorry outfit to leave their stuff broken for so long.

I just wonder how much longer until they do the same thing with drivers to kill 980M performance and make the next new GPU seem better than it really is. This is what I refer to "digital genocide" because they are systematically killing their own products while pretending they don't know what is causing it.

 

It's Microsoft controlling this. They rolled out windows 10 to get rid of all previous operating systems so they could patch up some security holes , then once everyone is compliant, they will come out with a better OS they sell as per usual. But in order for everyone to be compliant all Legacy hardware has to disappear.
The only UEFI cards that are MXM that we know of that will be worth using will be 980M for example... they might kill off MXM and be using the new NV type cards, so unless you can get your system running windows 8 or windows 10 in full UEFI your going to start having issues by the end of 2016 very quickly.
I imagine VR will help push things too.

Anyways, came to this thread to curiously ponder if people still using the 344.75 drivers, lol

 

So glad too see that this post is still getting attention.
I have a MSI GT60-0NC with an 880m rigged up with water cooling to see how far i could push this card.
Figured I would try to update the drivers in case NVidia ever decided to not be little SH*** about breaking things with their drivers.

Unfortunately, their driver did not work for me, and it makes me super duper sad ;-;

I was featured temporarily on TechInferno on the work that i did (well, more like frankenstein-ing) to my laptop, and now I am going to give this driver a try

Just to let you know, I get idle temps on the 880m of around 23-25 C.
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Just a quick question though, Should I still swing over to NVMII.INF and edit the dev id accordingly to force the driver to install?

 

Welcome to NBR then ! maybe you can show us the same Frankenware laptop stuff here in the appropriate sections ! Would get more viewers for sure.