New Alienwares 2016

That's weird looks like overwatch stressed more the gpu than furmark ?

the CPU's cooling seems correct, average but not spectacular at all. 95°C after 20 min of aida 64 (with no premature throttling @80°C for instance) it's what I had since my clevo p150HM back in the days.

For the GPU will patiently wait for an explanation regarding those 87°C peaks in overwatch might be a EC/BIOS not optimised just like the P650RS-G because we clearly have a way more efficient cooling in the chinese videos !

 

Check the videos and watch the temps. There around barely hitting the 70s in the Division which stresses the GPU quite a bit. I dont notice any throttling in those videos. Also Even if the GPU hit a temp of around 80. Thats on the same level as any Geforce reference board out there. Watch the videos and see it for yourself. Also check the disassembly videos of for example the MSI 1070 laptops and look at the difference between chassis quality.

 

Still seems hot to me. I'd like to think that a brand new laptop could easily keep it well under 90C (ideally ~80C), so that when it's a couple of years old and the cooling isn't quite as good as it used to be, that it still isn't needing to throttle.

The explanation given was that it was an engineering sample, possibly with different fan tables. It's not an unreasonable possibility, and if it's true then it would explain both the high temps and why they'd take the video down (no manufacturer would want to advertise bad results, especially if they're not of production units). Still, more independent tests would be good.

Edit: there are more tests in the latest video just published:

Ie, from ~2 hours he's playing GTA V, 60-100+ fps, CPU temps 55-60C, GPU temp ~70-75C. Nice.

 

Yes I'm maintaining my AW15 orders because those in-game results are sufficiently solid, was thinking about suspending it tomorrow.

regarding the aida stress test CPU temps, speaking of experience, those are correct, no throttling even for 20minutes of totally unreal scenario . Maybe a new fan table will improve the cpu temps, but that's already OK for me. Regarding Umar's explanations for me it seems true 100%, I mean we can see here the cooling is clearly more efficient it's just fact and it's reassuring.

 

hi, do you have any idea on which button he was pressing he kept on putting the ram on and off the laptop? also is it normal for that to happen when disassembling like doing a repaste? thanks..

 

Unfortunately i cant understand mandarin chinese. But the f2 button is for the bios. He didnt re assemble it correctly it seems.

 

oh ok.. so you haven't experienced that when disassembling a laptop like doing a repaste like your AW 15 R2? Thats interesting.. he messed up something thats why that happened.. hmmm.. thanks for the info..

 

I screwed up once by not connecting the power button correctly thatz all

 

Here's an MSI performance video of Overwatch for comparison. Note the CPU and GPU temps.

 

It doesnt matter, videos of the production model show a different picture than the Overwatch video posted earlier.

 

which video do u mean?

 

The link a fellow user posted where they test and disassemble it.

 

No need to discount it entirely. I believe it's still worthy of a comparison. I'm neither an Alienware nor an MSI fanboi. I'm just trying to examine the evidence objectively.

 

But it has already been said it was a pre-production laptop. So it never will be objective.

 

I heard that with the production versions of the new Alienwares the copper wont be visible but instead painted black. Only me that would prefer it not to be as I think it looks really cool when you can see the copper? And mind you, I don't even like those bling bling gaming laptops normally but in this case I really like to see the copper.

 

I agree there's no need to discount it entirely, however I'd also not look at it in isolation; no need to write the entire series off because of one bad result from a questionable test (questionable due to likely being an engineering sample). We've had one independent test that gave good results, just need a couple more and I'll be happy to ignore the Overwatch test result.

Would like to see at least something on the thermals for the 15" though. So far only had 17" tests.

Yeah, I'm with you on this. I don't like blingy laptops either (particularly the Asus ones where they throw red everywhere; I really don't need highlighting to find WASD), but being able to see the copper from underneath through the vent would be nice I think.

 

You wouldn't usually see the copper anyway, except when cleaning or repasting. I don't know if there are any "naked" copper heatsinks out there, since copper oxides very easily. It would require a layer of transparent varnish to protect it, which would be likely to liquefy at high temperatures... This black paint is a longer lasting (and probably cheaper) solution.

 

They've had naked copper heatsinks for desktops for ages. Oxidation does occur, but it really isn't that big of an issue; the thermal transfer to air isn't significantly different.

Still, I'm not surprised they're protecting them with the tougher paint. If for no other reason than people reporting that their copper has oxidised and they think it needs to be replaced.

 

I noticed that the 1TB ssd ships with a solid-state drive shield. Any idea if or how we could be able to buy this part and add it to other ssd options? I assume the solid-state drive shield helps with cooling so it would be nice to have on any ssd installed in the laptop.

 

I've been lurking around here for quite a while, but I've only now decided to make an account. So this is my first post

The 15" model is one of the laptops that I'm considering for my (long overdue) next laptop, however when looking at the Australian customizer and the US customizer there's nearly a 750 aud (~575 usd) difference in price for systems with the exact same configuration (Unfortunately this is a common occurrence with electronics and it's even worse with digital goods here). If I decide to get this laptop, would I be better off ordering from overseas like off of HIDevolution?

 

Welcome to NBR. Unfortunately, I cannot give you a good answer, but my recommendation would be to just contact HIDEvolution and ask them about shipping costs, import fees, etc. My assumption is that it will be nearly identical in price due to those costs. If so, you're better off purchasing directly from Alienware, so you can at least have ease of return or support. With HIDEvolution, you may end up paying those costs twice if something were to go wrong.

 

I apologize if I'm returning to a previous topic, but I haven't been able to get a clear picture. I saw in the manual there is a GPU switch button (most likely with a restart) so we can most likely get a huge battery life if we use the iGPU.

But what if we use the dGPU? Will it be throttled if it's on battery power? I know it's not something you should really do because it consumes a lot of power but it would be nice to play quick match between classes. I have a clevo P170SM (770m) and the throttleling is insane - the minute I remove the power cable, it's like I'm using the iGPU.

 

Guys, do we have any information on the CPU inside the AW 13?
Would it be the handicapped Ultrapower CPU or the fully functional HQ?

 

When you're not plugged to the PSU you will get far less performance from your 1060/1070, but it's still powerful enough to play many games fluently but don't expect performance even close to the performance when plugged in.

 

Umar said hq cpus

 

I certainly would not rely on that information. They frequently make mistakes, especially where specs are concerned. They said the refreshed AW18 with 980M SLI would have 4790K and I think at one point it was said the latest AW17 was going to have a 6700K, which likewise did not make any sense. Best to wait and see. I'd expect they are going to put a weak low-TDP U series CPU in the 13 as they have in the past.

 

Agreed. I think we need to be cautious as well as to the results of the new Overwatch video being produced today. I'm not too confident it will be an unbiased demonstration. I prefer to see to see independent testing which will come soon enough.

 

Tbh I'll only be happy when I start getting good reviews that look into EVERYTHING, like the ones from notebookcheck. But if the new 120Hz versions start coming out before that I'll probably buy it anyway.

 

The 7200U & 7500U will most certainly be offered in the Alienware 13. They already are being offered in the new Inspiron notebooks. (Dellienware is next!)

I need a 13" notebook for school, so I'm buying an Alienware 13. It's not worth spending $799 -$999 on a Zenbook with a basic FHD IPS display and iGPU when I can get an Alienware 13 with a QHD+ IPS OLED display and a GTX 1060. It's a shame to say, but Alienware pretty much only dominates the 13" notebook market now. And even that is debatable.

Alienware 13 and my new desktop.

 

New AW 13 is too big to walk around. XPS13 is better choice.

 

Umar just stated he retested with a consumer AW17 and the temps were 65C in Overwatch: https://twitter.com/aw_umar/status/783018269804376064

He remade it again with audio, just waiting on them to be uploaded.

 

he is out of trust. Lets wait for Notebookcheck review soon.

 

You should read the rest of my post.

 

One more time: AW 13 is not for school.

 

Oh, really?! I thought it was powerful enough to run Micro$haft word.

 

I'm not against waiting for NBC review (although no idea when that's coming), but personally if he can demonstrate Overwatch running with 65C GPU temps then I'm satisfied. It would match the temps the Chinese youtuber got, so I don't see any reason to still doubt it.

*In your opinion.

Personally I've been carrying around 3kg 15.6" laptops for 8+ years. If you're used to it, it really isn't that bad.

 

It doesn't have enough power to run Minesweeper, though. Kind of a shame, really.

 

To be exact and specific, he said 'H', not 'HQ'

There's a big distinction to be had there, especially when there's an H-series Kaby Lake quad core incoming, with a TDP of just 18W. There's also a 15W ULV quad, but him saying it's an H probably rules that one out.

Chances of a full TDP HQ quad are less than zero.

 

Actually, what he has said is "quad core H procs": https://twitter.com/aw_umar/status/781537482479329280

 

I'm sorry, what did you say that I didn't? My entire post is about quad cores, and how he specifically said H.

 

You left out the part that he specifically said it would be a quad core, and then implied that it won't be a quad core, given the only quad core H processors available at the moment are HQ.

 

A lot of the tests are mentioning throttling on the g752vs, I know its OCD in every aspect, but how do you avoid it?

And is the AW15 better for heat?

 

You read implication, where there is none.

My entire point is that I only think the 13 will have low voltage H quad cores.

 

The only low voltage H quad core Skylake CPUs are the i5-6442HQ and i7-6822HQ, and I really doubt they'll be using those. AFAIK there haven't been any products released with those CPUs, despite being announced over a year ago, and I doubt they'd start now with Kaby Lake being released.

 

You mean the i5-6442EQ and i7-6822EQ. There is no 25w HQ processor, but there are 25w EQ processors.

 

Ah, interesting. I was going off the initial announcement lists from last year:
http://wccftech.com/intel-announces...mily-skylake-y-skylake-h-skylake-s-skylake-u/
http://appleapple.top/intel-has-officially-unveiled-the-new-processors-the-item-has-been-added/

I did wonder why I couldn't find the official Intel spec sheets for them.

That was my first thought. I googled to make sure and found those ones above. But yeah, either way, if there are quad core H processors in the AW15 (as Umar stated) then they'll be the full 45W TDP versions.

Doesn't surprise me either: their new cooling design with the large vent at the back seems like it would handle the i5 6300HQ or i7 6700HQ without any trouble, even if compacted in the AW13.

 

sever throttling if you enable the oc mode in rog command center

need additional tweaking if you want oc mode 4ghz and not throttle

a combination of poor cooling, poor thermal paste, and poor motherboard limitation (75w)

 

New Alienware 17 Overwatch video is up:


Temps are solid 65C as described. FWIW, he also re-affirmed that the AW13 will have a quad core CPU.

 

New AW13 even bigger and uglier than previous model.

 

video is full of tearing artifact.