New Alienwares 2016

Still doesn't prevent it from being used for school/college/university.

Yep, because he disabled V-Sync and that panel doesn't support G-Sync. I'd rather he do that than test performance & thermals with V-Sync on (or G-Sync for that matter). No point if you're not going to allow the system to push as much as it can.

 

I don't think I have ever seen tearing that bad before. That's pretty severe... even worse than some of the crap I used to put up with from AMD CrossFried. And, I never enable v-sync or G-Sync.

 

Mr.Fox hello since ur the expert could u please tell us how did the aw17 got max fps in about 90 and this msi 1070 got a max of 150+ note this is a PC not a laptop although the difference should be around 10% this is more like 50%

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=WcLQGJRCU8c

 

Different resolution like 4 K? DSR?

 

Tearing is not vendor specific. Certain framerates move the tearing more to the middle depending on your refreshrate.

 

Which MSI 1070 is this? Is it the Gaming X? If so, it's overclocked quite a bit (~15%), which, combined with the default difference between notebook 1070 and desktop 1070 (~10%) and the difference in CPUs (which if you're comparing i7 6700K @ 4GHz to 6700HQ @ 2.6Ghz is probably about 20% in Overwatch) multiplies out to an expected 50-60% difference, which is approximately what you're seeing.

 

For the Dutchies, the new 15 and 17 are up http://alienware.nl/landings/laptops.aspx

Can't make up my mind .New A15 with 6820hk and gtx1070 or a cheaper model with 6700hq, gtx1060 and possible graphics amp in the future.
Also still interested in the 13 due to the lower weight.

By the way, the ssd and memory upgrade prices are insane. Does anyone know if the ssd options are nvm? And what about the memory, seems cheaper to upgrade it myself or am I missing something?

 

Overwatch is not cpu dependent at all. My desktop 170 has around 140fps on 1440p. If the aw17 runs at a higher res and ofcourse shadowplay enabled it would be around 90fps.

 

Hey guys - I contacted Dell Customer Service, who mentioned that the 120hz display option for the AW15 would be available late October / early November. I think I will wait it out until then! I have been spoilt by 120/144hz gaming, and 60fps is no good!

 

Yes, they are NVMe (they're listed as PCIe SSDs).

Possibly is, depending on the config you choose.

This seems to suggest otherwise: http://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwatch-benchmarks/page5.html

6700K running at 2.5GHz (close to the 6700HQ at 2.6GHz) gets 186 fps average vs 4GHz getting 231 fps average. Granted, this is with a desktop 1080, but there is still going to be an effect from CPU performance with a laptop 1070.

 

But the 6700HQ doesnt run at 2.8ghz. It does at 3.1 under 4core boost. Also with a 108- the CPU becomes a bottleneck in Overwatch. Because the game is so light.

 

Then how is this guy getting 100+ fps on 1440p?

 

Ok, fair enough, there's still a decent gap between that and the 4GHz 6700K.

There's still going to be an effect from running a 1070 with a CPU at 4GHz vs 3.1GHz.

For one, the 1070 in that is overclocked (you can see that from the 1835Mhz core clock early on, even though stock has a max boost of ~1650 MHz). Also, his average seems closer to 90 to me.

Is all this enough to counter the 1440p resolution? Idunno, possibly not. Still, I wouldn't be making too much out of the single Overwatch test we've seen so far. If the performance concerns you, wait for a proper review from a site like NotebookCheck.

 

Its not 4k nor its DSR , its FHD.

 

and how do you know that? It wasnt stated in the video....

 

At the start of the video you can see the resolution in the settings and it's at 1080p

 

I don't mind. Used to own 17" and 18" Alienware.

Edit: This image makes the Alienware appear cheap.

 

BTW that picture is of an M11x next to the new Alienware 13.

 

The main issue I am running into with the Alienware 17 is that I can not find any laptop cases that are deep enough to fit it...

 

Drivers for the 15 R3 and 17 R4 are out. It's not all of them, though.

 

Probably won't see GSYNC on the 13. I'd be surprised (and obviously happy) if we did! Otherwise, it should support a lot of goodies: PCIe SSD's, OLED / IGZO IPS display, Kaby Lake dual-core & quad-core CPU's (4 core, 4 threads), a larger battery and 10+ hour battery life, packing a GTX 1060.

Question remains: how will it handle cooling the 1060? Other laptops become quite hot! But the form factor is a bit larger than last year and it is heavier, too. I'll probably wait for a proper review before purchasing it.

 

I will gladly be the OLED guinea pig - so once it's available, Ill be in the first shipment and Ill put together some tests on it.

 

I look forward to your feedback.

My hope is that it supports HDMI 2.0 (or 2.1). I'd love to use a 4K or QHD 144Hz display with it. Don't really care for the "amplifier." I wish you could swap out this port for additional I/O.

 

Oled has 240hz pwm. Also it suck more energy than lcd typical usecase.

 

We deleted a number of posts from this thread ...keep it objective when possible.

Charles

 

The 1440p 120hz TN panel doesn't look bad.

 

Yep, looks fine to me (although obviously watching a video of it isn't ideal). Hopefully the 120Hz panel in the 15" is just as good.

 

Not bad, This showcases some of the viewing angles.

 

Yeah, the screen looks good, as expected.

 

no gsync. Useless.

 

It is G-SYNC certified, hence the late arrival. Both the Alienware 15 and 17 120Hz display options are.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ns-hit-or-a-miss.795629/page-28#post-10351239

You should really avoid assumptions. Not only here but as a general rule of thumb (along with pre-judgement).

 

No real need for G-stink... just a money-maker gimmick to make the Green Goblin richer. I always disabled it on the P870DM-G. With 120Hz screens it should be even less useful. The sad part, for those that like it, is that G-sync could instantly starting work for everyone regardless of their display panel or GeForce GPUs if NGREEDIA wanted it to be available for everyone.

 

depends on the panel quality

I personally would just keep g-sync there, it's a gimmick but a nice feature to have

 

IMO other way around. There's even more reason to have G-Sync with a 120Hz screen. If your system is capable of playing a game at 90 fps, then G-Sync is useless with a 60Hz screen (V-Sync gives exactly the same result). However with a 120Hz screen G-Sync at least allows it to run at 90 fps, where V-Sync would only run at 60 fps.

I wouldn't call it a gimmick. Yes, in theory it could be enabled for no extra cost given there's no G-Sync module like in the desktop version, however it still has a valuable benefit (and hence not a 'gimmick').

 

Well, G-stink would still work with a poor quality panel. For gamers that have a 60Hz panel and are sensitive to screen tearing it can improve their experience. For people that only keep a laptop a year or two and sell it, having it is probably a good idea for resale purposes. I had a hard time telling the difference with G-stink enabled or disabled most of the time, especially with framerate monitoring turned off. It does screw up benchmark scores, that much I know, LOL.

 

Gsync is a difference. Obviously no tearing and having a less than ideal steady framerate hurts the gaming experience less.but most important.....no extra input lag while still having a tear free gaming experience. But previous gsync systems didnt add a lot since they didnt had high refresh panels. Now they have that too.

Also. Gsync hurts benchmarl scores since the framerate will be capped if it goes beyond the framerate of your panel.

 

Haha, Mr. Fox is just used to ridiculous hardware that doesn't have the same limitations. Lower class hardware and less than ideal frame rates is where your going to notice the difference with G-sync most.

 

Gsync is a good addition on higher end hardware as well. 165hz with Gsync and a framerate to match offers a very nice responsiveness which is nice if you play first person shooters etc online.

 

Noobie question: The uhd screen option is stated to be IGZO2 IPS, I'm familiar with IPS and IGZO but wasn't able find any information on this combination.
Does anyone know more about this? Thanks.

 

Its the same. All IGZO panels are a form of IPS.

 

New video from the Chinese youtuber:


This time it's the 15R3 with 1070 and I believe the 6820HK (based on 3.2GHz 4 core boost), and I think it's the 120Hz G-Sync screen; he seems to enable & disable G-Sync in the control panel. Not much video of the screen other than via capture card though.

Doesn't start until about 40 mins in. Overwatch testing from 1h15m, GTA V from 1h40m, and pulling the laptop apart from 1h55m.

Temps during Overwatch and GTA V were around 70C on CPU and 65C on GPU, both IMO extremely good results for a 15" with a 1070. The CPU in particular seems great, and could mean there's room for a decent overclock.

 

It's like the 3D screen option. It's a nice feature, but most people are in it for the 120 Hz. And this time, the lower response time too.

 

Those are nice temps for sure, certainly among the best I've seen for the 10 series. I guess the weight added for the new cooling system was helpful?

 

If thats on stock paste there is also room for some more degree celsius if doing a repaste i guess. Maybe even low 60 or lower for the gpu

 

Yeah, you'd have to think they didn't add a full kg compared to competitors for nothing.

He actually starts to do something with the thermal material at the end of the video (~2 hours 8 mins). It looks like he's putting some kind of foil-like material between the processor and the heatsink, with paste to the side of it. I haven't played with high end thermal improvement for a long time, but I've only ever worked with paste. Anyone know what he's using?

Would've been nice to see retesting though (video ends after he boots it up).

 

I have no clue what it is. It looks kinda crappy what he is doing tbh. Unlike anything I have seen yet.

The best method known to me is liquid metal based thermal paste. But that looks totally different.

 

Earlier on in the video he was looking at an intel 600p SSD. Is this perhaps the SSD that Alienware is using?

 

600p is a budget nvme ssd

would be pissed if aw really used that instead of the sm961 lol

 

Here we go again!
Mr.Fox I respect your opinions but you bring way too much hate to every post, you should change your name to Mr.Hate....lol
You just crap on everything you don't like or agree with, you need another hobby man

 

Nah, people just need to lighten up, that's all. It's not hate anyhow... just stating hard facts about my own real-world experience with G-stink. No reason to take my lack of regard for NVIDIA gimmicks personal. It does not add any value for me, and on that basis alone there are going to be others with a similar experience. If people with different views, perspective and experiences did not share in communities like this all we would have left is Kool-Aid drinking yes men that believe anything and everything presented to them through slick marketing hype.

That's entirely possible. I have not owned anything that struggles with playing games for a really long time. G-Sync probably does make more of a meaningful contribution in those situations. It's sad that NGREEDIA goes to so much trouble to keep the people that need it most from having it available to them. Their draconian control freak licensing scheme for G-Sync laptops is unnecessary. Since it is strictly a software feature it should be something included for free with all non-Optimus GeForce-powered notebooks as an added-value feature like Shadowplay. Desktop or laptop, either way you pay a premium for it. If you don't actually benefit from it, then there is no point in wasting money on fluff.