New Alienwares 2016

largely the keyboard, it'd be good to get shots of each surface that are not those from dell if possible too (hope I'm not pushing it here)

 

No it wont. I am testing it as we speak. Hell even on my old 2500k at 5ghz i have a graphic score in firestrike of more than 19000 and that cpu clocked at5ghz has 2400points less cpu performance compared to the 6700hq according the firestrike benchmark.

 

Still wondering if the new G-synced 400nit TNs on the 15 are worth it.. Tempted to order.

 

Lol, i was curious to see how much are listed the new AWs here in Italy and the "premium" warranty options are quite peculiar:

2 years: +355 €
3 years: +494 €
4 years: +1053 €

Do they basically imply that it's impossibile to run those systems without issues after just a couple of years? The 4th year price is just crazy.

 

Sure I can do that, it looks the same as the previous 15's but once you start typing on it you notice its much better.

 

Be serious, a 2500K @ 5Ghz massacres a 3.1Ghz 6700HQ.

Let me be clear, it'll be imperceptible at 1080p/60, but anyone looking to push higher framerates, (ie the 120Hz) will run into a wall, with the 6700HQ.

 

I dont really get it, is the fn-F7 combo to enable/disable the dGPU or Optimus? Or is there no Optimus? Does the GSync versions have Optimus?

 

nope I disagree, it only depends on the game if it's CPU intensive like Total war and other RTS. The 6700HQ is quite strong and should be enough to not bottleneck the 1070 except with really really high FPS count (which doesn't matter)

120fps/ultra with most games will not be achieved 'because' of the 1070 mainly, a good game nowadays is GPU-centric, each modern engine ; CryEngine, Unreal Engine, Frostbit etc share this philosophy. Even RTS now like Ashes of singularity are taking advantage of DX12 and modern API to run Physics directly on the card and thus the CPU is relieved.

So I kinda disagree .

 

It doesnt. When i am home i can make screenshots. But you ca find videos on youtube as well. A current day core i3 is even faster than a 2500k. Especially the minimum framerates suffer.

The 6700hq is faster than a 2500K. Digital foundry made some videos about different generations of core I cpus. I push a 144hz screen by the way.

The 2500K couldnt push a 1070 to its limit in bf1, witcher 3, hitman, deus ex.

 

@Kevin is 100% correct. The 6700hq will hinder performance of the 1070. A 1060 not as much but a 1070 it will limit higher fps.

I have a 6700k and 1070 and did a test in BF1 the other day.

When clocked to 3.1ghz on all cores vs 4.0ghz on all cores the difference was 20+fps!

 

That is not because the 1070 is bottlenecked. It is because bf1 is very cpu dependent. Cpu bottleneck is when the gpu cannot be utilized 100%.

With bf1 you see both the cpu and gpu utilized 100% with the 6700hq.

With a 2500K in my case you could see the cpu 100% and gpu 70%. This is a cpu bottleneck. But in for example gears of war 4 the cpu load is not even 60% while the gpu has 100% so in that game i dont have a cpu bottleneck for example.

 

Yes I'm aware of that and GPU utilization had dropped to 88% in that case while when the CPU was clocked up it was at 99%.

This was also a stock 1070. Overclock and it would only get worse.

 

Hinder? Yes. Hit a wall? No.

There is definitely still an advantage to a 1070 over a 1060 even with the 6700HQ, even at high framerates.

 

My 1070 never dropped performance while running on a 6700hq with a core clock of 2100mhz. Evga 1070 ftw card. Especially at 1440p the perfomance is on par with a desktop i7 haswell.

 

Anyone ordering the new 120Hz 17?

 

Anyone been able to get customer service to add the HK to the 1440p SKU?

I certainly would never imply otherwise.

 

What were the FPS for both? +20 fps if its 260 fps isn't that big of a difference, at 130 fps still not a deal breaker, at 60 fps - then that's a significant difference

Many 6820HK's run fine at 4.0ghz on all 4 cores, soooo... maybe hold out for AW fixing the configurator page to re-add the 6820HK back if you are concerned about the 6700HQ CPU performance.

 

Much appreciated buddy

 

So the 13 is supposed to launch with kaby lake. I would therefore assume that we should see kaby lake offered in the 15 and 17 within 2-3 weeks of the 13 launch... any comments on this?

 

Any idea when the 13 and others will be coming out with Kabylake?


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My best guess, 13 will launch with KBL,
15 and 17 will be there sometime March-April

 

Unless something has changed, only the ULV Kaby procs are coming out this year.

 

I see no other reason to delay the AW 13 until November. And it was stated that the AW 13 will get H quad core

That being said we may see the 2 rumored Quad core ULV processors... Which I think would be awesome, while others would hate that. Can't please everone

 

Likely, the 13 R3 would feature at least one 45w HQ processor and at least one 18w HQ processor . I don't think a 15w UQ processor would make its way into the 13 R3 since they can just put in a 18w one instead.

 

OK so the initial 45w for the 13 would be sandy. Although I thought that 45W kaby was supposed to hit Q4 not Q1.

I know it is old but not sure if there is anything more up to date:



Ok here is a later road map:

 

So according to this, the 7700HQ and 7820HK should be out in the next couple of months.


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I doubt it. H series production acording to other leaks will begin 51st week of 2016.

 

Would it be possible in the future to unweld the 1070 and upgrade to a 1080?

 

Lol, no

 

Are they integrated into the motherboard?

 

If you selected AW17R4 with Gtx 1070, you can upgrade later (replace the motherboard with one that has GTX 1080). All Aw models = BGA now!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array

 

Yes, its soldered to MB (not MXM)

 

IT doesnt matter if they were MXM or not; nVidia stopped making reference MXM cards.
As a result the Pascal cards that have recently been developed in laptops like Clevo, MSi, etc, are not compatible with older Maxwell laptops for various reasons.
Some of the reasons have been the form factor and some have been EC incompatibility. My point is that MXM maybe a separate card but now they pretty much have the same upgradability as BGA.
The only benefit of MXM cards would be the ability to replace the card if it fails (after warranty) as opposed to replacing the whole motherboard etc.

Regardless, even if you could get an MXM card and upgrade you "current gen" laptop when the "next gen" comes out, the cost of MXM cards historically, and now, are so high that its more cost effective to just sell your old laptop before the next generation comes out. Again this makes widely perceived "upgradability" benefit of MXM cards not really a benefit at all.

 

So you mean it's cheaper buy a new laptop next year than upgrade the graphics if the next cards fits in your machine? Oh"well And If you has the 1080, maybe you could get a few dollars for it as well

 

What he is saying is that if there is no upgrade path, no MXM card compatible for an upgrade, then there is no upgrade path, no upgradeability.

And, if the cost of the card, $1000 for the 1070, is so high that it doesn't make sense to do an upgrade, there is no upgradeability.

BTW, why is the Eurocom 1070 going for $1000, when MSI values their MXM 1070 at $700?

And, why doesn't the Eurocom 1070 have SLI support? You can't upgrade 2 slots, only 1, single GPU only. The MSI 1070 for $700 has SLI.

Eurocom Model Upgrade
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgrade(2,348,0)ec

 

The reason for the delay is quite simple: Dell has to wait for the official announcement of the GTX 1050 (TI) by Nvidia, as they most likely will be offered for entry level configurations beside the 1060. I thought it already has been confirmed that the AW 13 will be equipped with Skylake i5 CPUs, namely the i5-6300HQ and hopefully the i5-6440HQ ?! Maybe they even offer i7 as an option, but i doubt that. Another possibility could be that they reduce the cTDP of the CPUs to 35W, which would highly gimp the turbo range. According to the NBC descr. of Skylake this is possible, but as far is I know no OEM has done that before.

 

I expect @woodzstack will be in business with new cards, if there are possibility for upgrades next year. I talk more about upgrade for the newer generation laptops(if ODM/OEM's will use the same graphics design they have now). It's to early to say what will happen, but we know more next year.

 

Ya for example, if you get $2200 for your maxwell system and the new pascal system costs about $3000, then thats only a $800 difference.
If I recall correctly, the 1080 is like $1200 without the heatsink kit etc. Even if it could work, which it doesnt; Why pay $1200 to upgrade my year plus old system when I could pay $800 for the whole system to be newer tech?
Ok ok, so lets say I dont get $2200 for my maxwell and I end up getting $1600. I still would rather pay the $1400 towards a brand new system over spending almost the same amount on an MXM card (with NO warranty) to upgrade my whole system. The cost of newly released MXM cards by themselves has ALWAYS been obnoxious.

In my case I ended up getting $2300 for my R3.
I know some others that have gotten $2100 - $2500 for theirs.

 

Rather put it this way. Pay $1200 for new graphics. And sell your old for $400. Don't assume you can get newest laptops with 1080 for $3000 all places around the world

 

MSI isn't letting us keep our GPU's we are upgrading from, so we are stuck eating the whole cost of the upgrade without any recourse to recover any value from selling our old GPU's - MSI are taking them from us.

Don't be surprised if that doesn't set a precedent moving forward. Send in a MXM card, get a new card.

Except we have to send in our whole laptops, and are getting back laptops with a lessor CPU and less RAM / Storage, and for the GT72S guys a lessor laptop in the GT72VR.

Upgrade's are dead, stop pushing that as a benefit, it's not.

 

So If I buy a brand new P870DM2 now at +- $4300 here home and want a new graphics next year. If the next card fit, I should rather pay new +- $4300 machine? And I would probably get max $2/2500 for the used one home. Much depends where you live. A brand new AWbook with 1070 is + $4000 What will same BGABOOK cost with 1080? For me is paying $1200 and sell the older graphics for $400 a much better deal. Of course if I can use next gen graphics

 

Sell your old laptop before the new generation gets released to get more $ returned.

Live on your backup laptop of desktop, and then wait to see how things work out with the new releases,

And, pounce when the hardware and software calm down and deliver great performance, thermals, noise, etc. $$$$ allowing

It's always been the way that works best.

Upgradeable partz confuse the situation and rarely is easy or straight-forward. A hybrid laptop, Frankenstein'd with "upgraded" parts, makes for a less desirable laptop when it's time to sell as well.

Lots of effort and personal time I would enjoy spending somewhere or with someone else.

Selling the laptop when it's still desirable, demands a premium, and makes someone happy. Makes me happy too

Then start off with a fresh new platform for the next laptop.

The key is to buy as early in release as makes sense, and sell it before it's lost too much value.

Then your cost/month for use isn't too bad.

 

The aw17r4 is not 4000usd or euro. Dont do all the ubreasonable upgrades in the dell configurator. You can get a aw17r4 with a 1070 for around 2200 and add some xtra ssd's yourself.

 

The problem in Norway... we are a damn high cost country. And used laptops will go for low price(we loose much money when we have paid). We have free 5 years warranty, but people would rather buy new than used. And we haven't all models like bigger countries when they enter the country. It will take time for us to get a new model. You can have the new models with your preferred setup long time before me.

 

Seriously the 1080 costs a kidney. Wtf Nvidia.

 

Yeah, in the US the market is better for used laptops, and we get new laptops sooner, so it works out costing less for us.

You could live with the laptop for longer, as long as you are ok with not having the fastest CPU / GPU in a laptop for 1/2-2/3 the time of ownership.

If you don't need to upgrade so often the costs average out per month much better.

I have done that too. Got about the same cost per month by keeping it longer, and selling for less.

 

@rinneh
A stripped down AW 17 with 1070 and 2 year Dell warranty = $3000. Add 2x950/960 ssd + maxed ram and you will see this will be costly. A damn single 1070BGA and 1435Killer. NO THANKS!!

 

I only see lower prices than that. Where are you looking?

 

+ hardware outside the machine cost much more here. About $1100 for ram and preferred ssd's.
A striped down Aw17 + unwanted 1070 and Win X Home. And 1425 Killer. What the heck. Killer 1425? And if I want 6820BGA I have to pay more!!


Edit +$3400 for 6820BGA, 1070, one single wimpy 1TB HDD and Win X Home. A totally stripped down BGABOOK with 1070 And low end ram!! And If I import I have to pay more due taxes.

 

or you could get a Octane III for 2065 GBP ( 2520 USD ) from pcspecialist.co.uk
at
1 GBP : 1.22 USD and it keeps dropping

6700K / GTX 1080 / 16GB ram / 240GB SSD kingston / no OS / 2x330W adapter

it won't cost an arm and a leg for it