*OFFICIAL* Alienware M11x Owners Lounge - Part 2

Lunar Shadow Gray ... hmm

 

Possible. One of the reps said it was (but they haven't been super reliable about information on the m11x so who knows). But the pictures look like it might be...

 

but.. what was the estimated date? Also this is new so I dunno what the process might be.. I hope 12 days would be the case here, I would freak out!! haha

*edit* I want it b/c it looks gray over silver ahhhhhh oh well in production so hopefully they won't let me cancel so I can get on with my life hahah

 

it had an ESD of 8/24

got it 8/11

ordered 7/31

 

It says Lunar Silver on the Dell webpage tho.

 

Some of the people ordering from the UK seemed like they were getting order dates of 2/11. So maybe some will have it in hands by next week. But also I think the UK aren't engraving (or it isn't an option or something).

 

scook was very fortunate.

I bet these will take at least 3 weeks before shipping.

 

yup, gave them my EPP code........

 

I don't know, I think Alienware is gonna hit it hard and heavy, this is honestly one of their largest launches ever. It is going live in over 60 countries. What that really means is they have got some ridiculous manufacturing backing them up, and we could see initial orders shipping in perhaps 10 days as long as there are no parts delays.

It is in Dell's best interest to produce as fast as possible to lower the lead time and get the machines out there. The current 1 month is pretty ridiculous, so I think they will be putting all the resources they have towards pushing these things out the door.

 

Eugene = No i have to ask my boss to check for me first. Ordering via retail channels. Hehehe...

 

You know that's true about the first part considering it was a world-wide launch, all systems go. So either they put up the listing a month early with stock almost ready to go, or they're ready now and will be building sooner than later.

 

the price of m11x does not include tax as ALL IT product in Malaysia are exempted from tax ^^ the reason why we are paying more is because of its premium status. iirc, the price of mainstream product like acer in malaysia is about the same price at other places but premium products like macbook, vaio, alienware have higher price. imagine what will happen if the price of m11x is about the same as benq? GG

 

Hey does anybody know if you get it with the wan+GPS, if the GPS can be used without the activating the wan? For example, if I didn't want to pay att for the data connection, can I still use the GPS chip with another program like MS Streets or something?

 

Perhaps I am missing something, but what is the point of a fan pointing to the bottom where the device will have no ventilation? Bottom is resting on the surface of course. Perhaps a quarter inch clearance at best?

 

Are there any more pictures of the silver version? It looks less blocky than black.

 

That is intake, it blows out the back.

 

Stupid question, does M11x overclock similar to Asus UL30VT, UL80VT, etc...? Couldn't quite find the answer in previous thread. That made a huge difference in CPU performance on the Asus systems.

 

Dammit now I'm trying to decide between silver and black. That silver looks more gray, pretty slick. Can't decide!

 

Yes, the SU7300 can be overclocked in the bios. Hardwareheaven did it to 1.6 with only 1C increase. Amazing I think =) Here's link to their review.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=924&pageid=7

sorry it's not on the first page I bookmarked it haha. Go to top and scroll to overclock page.

 

READ THIS

For God's sake, I'm getting really tired of the same questions clogging up these threads. Here's what you need to know about the processors, once and for all.

Both processor options are the same cpu, same basic components, same nm size, etc. Not only that, but I guarantee you Dell is NOT NOT NOT going to produce two separate bioses based on what processor you chose!

Stop the speculation, already. Both CPUs will be able to overclock, or they both wont be able to. They will both be able to overclock just as well as each other, THEY'RE THE SAME UNIT! USe your heads people!

The only differences between the CPUs are that one has 1MB of cache than the other, which accounts for like many have mentioned, about a max possible performance gain of ONLY 5 PERCENT.

The other difference is that the pentium is purposely crippled with the lack of VT and possibly an SSE instruction set like 4.1. Only in the most specialized programs that purposely dont include older instructions, ones likely NONE of us will ever use, will that instruction set even matter, and then the performance benefit will again be only a small percent with programs that can utilize both instructions. Just to give an example, I remember a media encoder that went marginally faster with a newer instruction set, and things like apple OS that purposely get rid of older SSE versions in order to control the hardware more.

Not only that but vmware doesnt require VT as far as I know. You can still virtualize but you cant use windows xp mode (windows 7 virtualization) or virtualbox, a free alternative. vmware is better IMHO anyways, and DONT FORGET YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 7 BUSINESS TO BE ALLOWED TO USE OFFICIAL WINDOWS XP MODE virtualization.

That's all there is to it. There's a reason they offer the pentium and intel produces it, its to give a crippled but still very capable processor in low cost machines, and then dell dangles the core 2 duo carrot in front of you to get a 90 dollar profit on an option that costs them a grand total of $10. Why does it cost them $10? BECAUSE THE PENTIUM IS THE SAME EXACT PROCESSOR (but crippled slightly for business reasons)

Please oh God please let this keep people from questioning this further.

 

Isn't the fan on the bottom the intake. I thought the exhast was out the back. The fan is suppose to be right under the cpu and gpu pulling in air from below them and blowing out the hot air out the exhaust in the back.

 

Jeezsus christ you don't have to yell to get your point across, especially when this board moves so goddamn fast that your post's gonna get lost anyways.

 

OP please include this in the first post.

 

Let me just add, that dont forget that all processors have their own unique limits. With unofficial overclocking of the atom in the 1000he I've read multiple anecdotal accounts where one person was able to reliably get up to 2.1ghz without freezes with the same processorbut someone else could only manage 2GHZ or 1.9GHZ. If/When unofficial bios mods come out please dont think that because you bought the pentium that that's why it couldnt be stable at a higher clock. You couldve gotten a core 2 duo with worse OC potential, its very possible.

Let me state again, these are the same processors, one has 1MB more cache for a terribly small benefit and the other has been crippled for business reasons.

 

But how will the children fit in the tiny houses? Classic Zoolander quote.

 

I've thought about this a lot, and for the resale value part, an Intel C2D will do a lot better than a Pentium one. Hell people even on these boards still think the Pentium was a single core one offered.

 

^^ Ding Ding. $90 now, resale value + in the future.

 

Yeap, just read that. It's the same as with Asus ULxxVT models, which is pretty nice. Battery life seems a bit disappointing at just under 6 hours, but that's expected. I am rather surprised that the box only has 10/100 instead of 10/100/1000 port. It's pretty nice to have gigabit ethernet at home when uploading video/etc... since it's faster then USB 2.0 usually (and e-sata is lacking here as well).

Edit: Going to wait and see how Asus UL30JT comes out since Alienware won't ship till March anyway (seeing March 10th as estimated shipping date).

 

I have similar sentiment, but I just wanted to say that the SU7300 does have FSB scaling which the SU4100 does not. This is the dynamic processor scaling common in laptops, where it can increase or decrease performance based on usage (normally only decreasing or increasing up to the standard max speed). This wouldn't really matter, and it doesn't, except that the Alienware overclock is just an FSB bump, and there is a chance that for stability reasons they would only enable it with the SU7300 and would use the processors built in FSB scaling.

This would not be hard to program the bios to only allow overclocking with a CPU with the dynamic FSB, and if it were the case then the SU4100 cannot be overclocked.

Please understand I am not saying for sure that the SU4100 can or cannot, but it is feasible that different options could be present for the 2 Cpus in the same bios based on the dynamic FSB protocol. Therefore, I don't think it is safe to tell people they can get the cheaper core and OC it until we can confirm it somehow, it just is not known for sure either way.

This is just how I see it, anyway.

 

Eggs, you need to realize that people are going to ask questions. NBR is a high traffic forum which has new members every day. This question will come up again and no matter how much you may not like it, its going to be posted. If you feel you cannot respond to a member asking this, then don't.

Thanks.

 

So I was missing something.... Does the SU7300 run a lot hotter than the SU4100? 7300 must be 78% faster since numbered like it is Yes, just joking.

Still, I'll take my 5% and obscure additional instruction sets. Might need it for all the jiggly action in some "mature" videos

 

Instead of looking like a total you know what, you could simply point to the specs on intel site

SU7300
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42791

SU4100
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43568


Comparison:
http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=42791,43568,

 

They are NOT the same CPU's since as you mentioned, some features are etched in the gates as active in the 7300 and not the 4100. I will take the extra features and 5% to 7% extra performance. Anyone wonder why the test rigs have 7300's in them and not 4100's? Just asking.

 

i would just ignore the posts on people asking the bloody differences in the processors. Its been beaten to death in the acer 1810t thread. Its more like 2 bloody percent in synthetic benchmarks.

 

They don't need to write 2 separate BIOS versions. Just look at their previous systems. The M1730 overclock option appeared in the BIOS only if the X9000 or X7900 is installed. Same goes for the M1710, the overclock option only appeared when the T7600G is installed which is the same exact CPU as the T7600. Don't get me wrong, you could be right, but my point is, they don't need to write a different BIOS for the overclock option to appear.

 

Batboy, you're right, and I shouldnt have been so brash, but I was hoping to just settle the debate once and for all.

Not only that I really wanted to do what I could to make sure people knew what they were choosing before they just assumed the core 2 duo was necessary. Sorry if I came off as uncaring.

 

oh man, this is truth! Sick! lol

 

Here they are compared together. Main difference is of course the cache and some instructions sets. Bout the same, but not quite.

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=42791,43568,

 

I shouldn't have acted like I knew exactly 100% what I was talking about, but from what I've learned about these processors, they seem to be the same exact chip with artificial limitations.

Now, if what YodaGoneMad said is true, I and any others who opted for the pentium may be in for a sad surprise, but I'm hoping the optiondoesn't rely on fsb scaling, that would be a sad state indeed.

I would hope if there's quite that much of a difference in the processors that Dell would have known better and made that clear when choosing the option.

With the hardwareheaven review, Let's just say for now that assuming you can overclock the processor (I cant IMAGINE it wouldnt be as such) even with the pentium this is going to be great because they got more than 30fps averages without overclocking.

This guy is gonna be a beast.

 

I feel like these processors were meant to run at 1.6-1.73ghz. As the Asus with the 7300 runs at 1.73ghz with only a 10% effect on total battery life.

 

I just posted it couple scroll pages below.

Anyway, so much yelling and screaming here, amazing! Feels like high school again!

 

perfectly good justification, it really only comes down to money anyway.

Like someone above said, it can also help for resale value. I imagine that in the few months it will take for an i5/i7 refresh, the resale value is going to go straight down the toilet anyway so it comes down to how long you expect to use the laptop.

 

I'm perfectly happy using this for 3-4 months till the i5/i7 and selling it for $650. That's why I picked the 7300.

 

I think so too. I really dont understand why any other manufacturer wouldnt factory overclock them after asus has made a lot of waves with their ul series and the turbo33

 

I should also mention, although this has got to be the worst justification for it, with the demand the m11x seems to have, choosing a pentium could get it shipped to you faster if they somehow run low on su7300s

 

Anyone in the US get a ship date in February?

 

How come I can't confirm my email? I'm at the point of clicking buy, they ask me to confirm my email. I put in my email, but there is an error

 

My uneducated guess is they expect the mix to be about 70% 7300's and 30% 4100's, because game geeks buy these type of devices. The 4100 will probably be the minority of sales.

BTW, if for some odd chance they lock the clocking out, this device will be returned in record time by me at least.

 

Uh oh, looks like the thread is dying down. There better not be a huge blow-up while I'm sleeping; I don't feel like sifting through another ten pages when I wake up.

 

I'm in the same boat. It will probably kill me to do it after it arrives but there's no way i'm just going to grin and bear it if they don't allow me to overclock.