*OFFICIAL* Alienware M11x Owners Lounge - Part 2

Taco: I believe that if you are a student they send you to the epp site regardless so its the same crap, I say this because I tried getting quotes both ways with my employer and another with my college but it was the same

 

Somebody please find something new about the m11x. I tried and failed :/

 

@ Armoured

Its just nice to throw some dirt to those companies who dont have a clue what the customer wants

 

This is what I got from the sony Z:

The next revolution in hybrid graphics, an intelligent Auto setting self-selects which power mode - Speed or Stamina - is best given your current computing usage - no reboot required17.

we are getting so damn lazy now in age that they put these features lol. now imagine 30 years from now...mmm??

 

That's exactly what I was getting at. Both the company I work for and the school I go to give discounts at Dell so I was wanting whichever one give me the most for my money. Thanks again man. Rep +

 

How did that left 4 dead video get such low framerates? Hardware heavens benchmarks didn't come close to that. On demanding sections

 

A question that's been bothering me for some time now...

 

She probably had AA on and was in recording mode with Fraps. I don't trust her ability to show an accurate representation of normal gameplay.

 

Early pre-beta machine? - they *were* in the Dell Labs

 

All I know is something must have been wrong because I have cards that are like 50% the strangth of the 335m that get better L4D2 FPS LOL

 

yeah, that is weird. but could have been something simple like a buggy load of a saved game? stuff like that happened to me with the Crysis demo...

and wasn't the l4d2 demonstration at the 1.3 ghz clock speed? unless i missed it, i don't think we have anything to go off of for the OC'ed cpu.

 

I noticed one difference between the su4100 and the su7300 I have not seen discussed (or couldn't find..) was the su7300 is listed as having "thermal sensing technology".

Does anyone know what they mean by this? Does the su4100 have an on-die temp sensor? I would not be comfortable OCing this thing without that..

I wasn't sure if they "Thermal Monitoring Technologies" referred to that or to some unrelated marketing hype..

Thanks,

Chris

 

is this "difference" you noticed on the comparison page where one has the box written in and the other didnt?

That's the case with about 20 of those boxes and is partly because they are lazy and partly because they want to confuse you into thinking it doesnt have the tech.

When you compare the su4100 to the su7300, 9400 and 9600 every single one even says intel l2 cache, except the su7300 which says intel smart cache. Think the su7300 has better cache than all the others? I hope not because it's not true. It's a marketing technique.

 

yes.. but given how many other ways the su4100 was gimped I was not sure. It would have been surprising to me.. I have taken on-die temp sensors for granted these days.

Thanks

Chris

 

hehe after i watched that video

i went to the same area on my laptop,
core i5 + 330m (less powerful then 335m)
all setting in high 2x AA 4x AF 1366*768

the lowest fps with horde rushing was 35 fps.
in the same spot when she said " solid fps" mine got like 51 fps in this setting

i have no idea if she use AA or AF
but the range of FPS tell onething..

the GPU 335m is really bottlenecked bad by the cpu in m11x
( may be she havn't overclock the cpu to 1.73, if it is the case, the min fps may come up to 20-22 fps from 15...)

if not there is no way in L4D2 to have a drop like that in fps.

My old 1201n could play L4D2 too.. when with no hord rush.. it get playable fps..
but when rush coming in the fps droped down to single digital

 

Did anyone receive their m11x yet?

 

@Eggs Scrambled

You have a real source for SC2 Beta starting today? Or just a random guess?

 

I've ordered two of the M11x's, but I'm a bit torn. I love the form factor, the reputation for solid build quality, the switchable graphics, and the backlit keyboard.

But, I can add a pound or so and get a 14" for about the same price with a much stronger CPU. Extra battery life is nice, but it's not the end-all, be-all. I'm really concerned that the CPU in the M11x is going to drag down some CPU-dependent games. I play a lot of strategy games, etc.--not so much the modern shooters and such that are more GPU-driven. Also, there's just the standard tasks that will benefit from a stronger CPU.

Can anyone help curb my onset of buyer's remorse, or have I got reason to fuss?

 

I don't put alot of salt in most mainstream reviews, sadly most of them are guided by advertising dollars and or hopes of continued hardware for reviews. I put alot more weight in actual user reviews and mainstream reviews where the reviewer actually had to purchase the product rather than have it given to them for review.

Not saying Hardware Heaven is guilty of this...I don't know much about the site but just in general most reviewers that are given products for review and or have advertising from the companies on their sites tend to be a little biased in favor of the products in their reviews.

Also running time demos is much easier on the cpu than actually playing the game so you will tend to get higher framerates with a weaker cpu than you will in actual gameplay. I don't know if they used timedemos though.

 

or just 0.5lb lol

by the way if you getting two system ..
why not one m11x , and one 14" core i5 +330 like the sony cw or samsung r480

 

Exactly, there must be something off in that video if your system with inferior GPU shows higher results.

 

L4D/2 love cpu.!!

 

You should really stop being such a troll.

http://ow.ly/12XhI

25 FPS min, 33 fps Average, 70 fps highest, all very high settings with no overclocking. Plus, they test the most demanding sections of the game.

Go away troll. You have nothing to contribute until people start getting their systems. Until then all you do is try to slander the M11X and act like your computer or any computer with an iX core is just SOOOOOO much better. It gets really old, on behalf of the whole thread, please leave.

 

Want to know a good estimation bench? Take the benchmarks of a ul30vt or a ul80vt and multiply it by 1.5 or 2. That should be the real world performance index of a M11x. By the way, all fury is saying is that the SU7300 is bad for gaming.

 

I see this as a netbook that, oh by the way, can play some games. If you want something as a primary gaming rig then you probably want to find something beefier.

I play strategy games and my 17" laptop is great.. even with its aging cpu and it's anemic go6800. The large screen is great for viewing strat game maps. However, its just too big and heavy.

I think you need to figure out what you really want this thing for. I find it hard to believe that there are any strategy games out there now that will not run reasonably well on this little guy.. but the small screen could end up being an issue depending on what you play.

Chris

 

Depends on how much you paid. If you paid 1k+ then yeah buyer's remorse makes sense.

If you paid $800 with the coupons, then you would be insane to have buyer's remorse.

 

Well, she was on a lab unit as well, so this isn't a real benchmark. Sorry to poop poo on your parade.

 

lol see>>>>> 25 min and 33 fps average.. that 70 max may come up for 2 sec..
then all around 33

Dark Carniva in l4d 2 is one of the most demanding compaign in the game

so this mean my min fps is higher then m11x 's average in l4d2 ..
thanks for providing me right
m11x is cpu bottlenecked in games like L4D2

 

We get it, he has been saying it over and over for like 3 weeks. We should all cancel our M11X orders and go grab up the Samsung or Sony or whatever he is pushing.

Seriously, it is an M11X thread, the M11X has the SU7300, it will for the next 6-8 months minimum as confirmed by multiple Alienware sources (no refresh for at least 6-8 months). That is it, no more discussion to be had, this is what we have, if you don't like it don't buy, but stop returning to the thread to beat a dead horse over and over. Especially when he is not even correct is his assumptions or ideas. The SU7300 is fine for gaming, as proved by multiple reliable reviews.

As already covered many times. The 335M outperforms the 330M significantly. The ULV Core ix processors are less than a 20% performance increase. The SU7300 overclocked sees more than a 20% performance increase. Therefore, a ULV core ix is going to see the same performance as an OCed SU7300. A non-ULV core ix is going to significantly reduce battery life for any increased performance.

Therefore, even after the refresh you are looking at the same performance as a OCed SU7300, or you are looking at shorter battery life if they use a non-ulv core ix. The end.

 

I've already asked her about the L4D2 video, she was NOT using AA. Everything else on high though. Source games like CPU power.. simple as that.

 

BiggerBoat:
Just wait for the second revision on m11x, or buy a sony z with core i5 due in march for 1700 if you can afford it!!

I canceled my order today for the same exact reason so think about it

 

It's because of the cpu having to calculate positions of all the zombies movements etc... so the CPU shoots up to 100% usage and not as much is available to send frames to the gpu to render so the FPS takes a big hit until all the zombies start clearing out. Once all the zombies clear out cpu can dedicate more cycles to send frames to gpu so it goes back up to 50fps or whatever.

It's the same as with RTS where CPU has to calculate position and movement of hundreds of units it takes cycles away from the cpu doing other things such as sending frames to the gpu for rendering. It's why typically RTS don't have as good graphics as FPS etc..

CPU and GPU work togethor in harmony to make games fluid, too little cpu and not fluid, too little gpu and not fluid you have to find the balance. That's why so many people we're upset in the beginning that the 11x only has su7300. This is typical cpu bottleneck, gpu bottleneck typically more steady fps but not high enough for fluid gameplay.

 

Thanks for the thoughts.

This is a secondary rig. I've got a primary desktop/gaming rig and just wanted something fairly portable which would allow me to get out of the office.

Still mulling it over....

 

fury, you really are sounding trollish by hammering your 14" samsung in an alienware owner's lounge. we get that the c2d is the bottleneck of this system. those who have bought it (owner's lounge btw) have accepted this and feel that the pros outweigh the cons. If you want to discuss the diffences between your samsung and this alienware, perhaps you should start a new thread in a different section.

 

Furyagain.... Youve made me /facepalm so many times over this thread I've lost count. I'm not gonna say anything anymore. Just gonna wait patiently for my machine, as well as retribution, to arrive

 

The sign of a great gaming notebook is that your actually interested and motivated with playing games on it instead of spending all your free time in an unrelated notebook forum. I know why I'm here like many of you I have an order in and waiting.
Let me make one thing clear. When that Alienware shipping box arrives I won't be spending ANY of my free time in a Samsung, Sony, Acer notebook forum trolling for attention. I'll be playing all my favorite games on the M11x with a BIG grin on my face with ZERO buyers remorse. End rant.

 

Hmm... my thoughts exactly!

Fury... This is SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean... the m11x thread, if you don't like the m11x we get it, but what you're saying about the cpu doesn't make sense. Something else had to have caused the fps in that vid. Sorry that doesn't fit with the narrative you're pushing...

 

mm i think may be there is a underclock feature that many people in here will like.. like downclock to 1ghz instead ..

 

How long does your battery last again? Oh yea, the m11x does that too...

 

4000 posts in 10 days... yeah... lota buzz about this system

 

sadly only about 100 posts had any relevant info in them, with all the other banter that has gone on

 

i have my ac adapter and a desk in my friend's house and lanparty

 

And you're the 4,000th!

 

YOU ARE NOT USING THE ULV CORE I5!!!

In order to maintain battery life like the M11X a refresh or any laptop would need the ULV core ix processors. These are clocked at like 1 ghz, they are only going to see a sub-20% performance gain over a stock SU7300, the SU7300 can be OCed for more than a 20% performance gain. That means equal performance.

We don't want a laptop with 3 or 4 hours of normal use and and hour and a half of gaming. We want 8+ hours normal and 4+ hours gaming. Therefore, the M11X and anything to compete with it must use a ULV processor to compete with battery life. Your laptop is not competition.

 

@yoda
So now I am not welcome? lol I have been here since day one of the announcement Not going anywhere ps take a chill pill.

 

even so m11x is not 8 hours normal use it is 6
it is not 4 hous gaming..
it is around 2

so you play mass effect 2 when you are in the bus ? ..
mm or
when you driving??
mm
when you shopping ???

sorry i play games when i have a desk
i am not like you.

 

What I don't understand is that there are many laptops in your relative size (14-15 inch) that are better. There are no laptops in our size (11-13 inch) that are better at this time with a relative price. What are you comparing? Of course, we could get a better laptop than the m11x, but not in the size, capability, price, and battery life of the m11x.

 

No laptop is... M11X FOR THE WIN !!!!!!!

Question, does the alienware head on the back of the unit light up? I don't think the newest German hands-on showed that as one of the areas that you can change Can I get some facts here?

 

That is why so many people come to this thread LOL It is more like a chatroom than a thread for m11x. It's not really trolling most post is just one liners back and forth. "I'm gonna name mine awesome", I'm gonna name mine Betty" "I'm gonna get mine an Oriochi mouse" "I'm gonna get mine a diamondback mouse" etc... LOL Alot of people seem to come here just to chat makes you think maybe NBR should install a chatroom! Would be cool to go there, and make it easier to find the info you are looking for when you come to threads like this instead of have to go through hundreds of pages of me too's to find any relevant information.

 

lately this thread has come from praise to excitement to denial to having second thoughts and now to argument and war :'( someone stop the madness and post a picture of an m11x owning or something!!