Totally New Dell/Alienware - Summer 2010? (Computex/E3?)

That's normal. HP did the same a few weeks ago.
I still think the refresh is less than a month away.

 

thought they might have made an announcment of some sort planning a new refresh or an implament of a single gtx 480m card (really doubt sli after all the controversy over heat and power consumtion).........but nothing at all, kinda wierd.

 

Does Charles normally post a report on this kinda stuff? - im eager to read his findings or lack of if that may be the case apparent! - im also keeping a close eye on the new 10.6 CCC release from AMD to see if they work on c/f 5870 so if anyone has any input on that, would be great to hear!

 

is AW really coming with a SLI 480m?

 

I'm sure eventually they will, but not for the time being it seems.

 

Ya a do need a laptop soon, my sisters is in repair(Dell Insperon) and mine probably wont make it for next week when my classes start.

I guess I'm gonna be using the old pen and paper lol.

 

I think 13'' is the most ideal size of all. In a perfect world, Sony Vaio Z represents utopia of a perfect Laptop, though Sony messed up some parts(display resolution overkill, way to insane price and so on...), when talking about a all around mobile, yet powerful performer.

I think a natural evolution would be to to have 13'' as the flagship. It's mobile. It's powerful. You don't get a better mix than this.

15 and 17'' would be the desktop replacement. 17 more so than 15.


11 would probably evolve more into something more close to a netbook.. sorta like a mobile device. a better netbook. 11'' edge to edge display, would make the footprint much smaller. if they keep the same hardware, they might be able to fit it all in a smaller chassis in a year or two time.

And then a m13 would be perfect. it would harald the marked that m11x is having now.


You are right that putting out a 13 would kill sales a bit for 15 and 11, but you also have to consider what the customers want. Think about how many people who dont buy an Alienware because they want a 13.

I know many people who got a MBP 13 because of the footprint and screen size. If it's what the customers want, aint that better than customers compromising on their wishes and going with 11 or 15 which they think is less ideal than their dream machine - 13?

I understand they would have to be smart about it. they would need to be put out in a way so they are different and serve different purposes.

 

I just want them to announce they fixed the touchpad problems on the M15x and M17x.
That's not asking for too much is it?
Charles any word on that?
Yes a M13x would be cool but I wouldn't hold my breath

 

I want a little change on the palmrest and improved touchpad so I can actually use it. Guess that will be put on a totally new machine tho.

Edit: IKAS is quicker than me

 

Still dreaming there, Silly?

 

Have you posted in the polling rate thread?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...cursor-movement-polling-rate-problems-31.html

 

Not yet becuase I don't have one....
Yet!
Waiting for auction to end on eBay....lol
I have seen that poll, and it seems the touchpad is holding back a almost perfect laptop, it's a shame really.
I'm sure it could easily be fixed by DELL.

 

Well it's partly true but let's be honest who uses the touchpad these days?

 

Wish Dell could offer the same touchpad and touchstick option for M17X like the one found in M6500.

 

touchpad, touchpad tralala, what's a touchpad, oh is it the ugly rectangle under my keyboard, are there really people out there using that
lol

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M, Fastest Notebook GPU Yet - HotHardware

Dunno if anyone posted this yet, but a review of the 480m.

 

How bout longer battery life in stealth mode..... that would be great making it a multi-use tool.

 

They are comparing a system with 480M and a desktop CPU vs. a system with5870 and mobile CPU. That's not very fair comparison, so these numbers are misleading. The reviews states that in some cases the 480M is almost twice as fast as the 5870, while in reality it's only about 5-10% faster.

 

Even that's not true. Check the clevo forums

 

It still gives us a pretty good idea of how that GPU will perform up against the 5870 we are currently offered. Although I agree that the review maybe a little skewed due to the CPU and chipset, it shouldn't be too far off. What really gets me is that power draw. That thing is a beast!

 

C'mon, the only "beasty" part about it is the temperatures+power consumption. It has been proved already (check Clevo forums) that 5870 is equal to or better than 480M (same system and CPU) in all except for the heavy tessellation (which is a few games only, not to mention that tessellation by itself is immature yet).
I really don't see a reason for AW to worry about these new Nvidia cards.

 

I completely agree, again check the clevo test... It speaks for itself. With the same CPU, the 480M is just slightly better and sometimes not as good as the 5870.

Therefore if you have to choose in between a single 480M and CF5870, the choice is quite easy unless you are a complete idiot.

CF5870 ALL THE WAY...

 

I guess my last sentence didn't come off clearly, but when I said it was a "beast", I mean the crazy power draw. 200+ watts during gaming at the source is insane! And looking at the charts, it's totally not worth that.
It's totally reassuring having made the 5870-xfire purchase, but these problems with installing newer drivers is a pain in the butt!

 

GUYS you have completely missed the point ..... this card it incredibly exiting even more if any oem wan to build a system that can have a sli 480m



caus if they do so a such system could power a 3way CFX of 5870 this way i would have a reason to upgrade from my 4850

 

480m's successor will be worth buying. For now the current iteration is a failure. Some argue otherwise but I suspect it's because they are nvidia fans.

 

nvidia's turned into a cultfanboy thing

 

I completely agree with you. People are not being reasonable in the analysis of what the 480M. It is just not up to the challenge.

I am sure Nvidia will correct the mistakes with this first edition of their new architecture and the future card will be worth buying but by then ATI will have the new Island architecture and who knows how good this could be...

Concerning the drivers of the 5870, again this should be fix soon.

 

I just wish Ati/AMD would sort the drivers for the c/f 5870's.....apparently, 10.6 release is still a failure to address this.....

 

hum i don,t bet on nvidia for the next gen normaly it's a 2 gen to role prob the one after like the 680 or something will top ati's offer without causing a energy crisis

 

I just wish they would use the SAME comparisons with the 480m.
Put 1x5870 in a M17x or Clevo.
Put 1x48m in a M17x or Clevo..
Both with the SAME stats.
Compare. Preferable M17x.. because we're trying to find out for Alienwares.

 

Also, we have quite a few reports already about dead 2xxM cards and virtually none from ATI 3xxx/4xxx series. This should be taken into consideration as well.

 

ati's card can sustain a hell of a pounding it's been like this since ati started making mobility card nvidia on the other hand since it's 8800 mob .....

 

lol....

I wouldnt be surprised if that's an intentional business decision on Nvidia's part to have certain components break down after x amount of time to shorten the length of time the customer has return to them for business. This practice would be nothing new if anyones studied economics, VIA the lightbulb industry practice for many companies some years ago.

Just speculation though

 

I was considering an Nvidia card for my desktop, but then common sense kicked in and I decided to stick with ATI. I'm pretty tired of Nvidia and all their issues. I know they are primarily notebook GPU failure issues, but with the heat and power draw of the desktop parts I thought it'd be far wiser to stay away and stick with ATI.

 

Nvidea used to be in power, ATI has taken over the thrown.

 

I put it quite that way.

More so that you "get what you paid for" sense with ATI i.e. no stuttering, overheating, power management, and great dual gpu efficiency

 

No matter how bad the touchpad is, I will be back by the end of September

And by the way, to some who say people don't use touchpad: If only your M17x is completely a desktop replacement. There are a lot of people carry their AW around, especially those w/ M15x

Not that I want to be off topic. Cheers everyone

 

Yeah, I'd use the touchpad 90% of the time (especially if it could also have the track/touch stick/point) since I'm on the go quite often and it's not always convenient to carry the Razer Imperator to the countless meetings and conferences, lol.

 

For me to purchase I will need:

The ATI driver issue to be fixed.
The soft black paint to become an option like on the M11xR2 (looks really nice and it doesn't attract fingerprints)
I will also be happy if the 940XM is offered as an option and the 920XM drops a bit in price.

I can live with the rest. Even though I feel like the M17x chassis is aging a bit (It was designed for the gtx280m and core quad processors). Perhaps a slight redesign with better thermal solutions and power management might work for the best.

 

Yes they do!
If my $200 ACER netbook has a good touchpad there is no reason a $2000 gaming laptop not too.
Just my 2 cents.

 

Fixed it for you ...

Nvidia used to be in power, ATI has taken over the throne.

 

Haha , made my night, funny because I´m so tired...

 

Today at E3 in the South Hall, the Disney booth blew a circuit and cut power to the ENTIRE hall for a second, rebooting everything. The ONLY booth that still had power was the Alienware booth - no computers rebooted. They have massive generators running the entire thing. I went over there afterwards and all the PR rep said to me was that they were running on Alien power. Took a while to recover from laughing about that.

Kick a**!

 

Charles, do they have the "power" to fix the current driver issue for those of us with crossfire ati 5870's though?? - do you have any information regarding this as would be very helpful for us all i think!

 

For those of us that want a fix, please ask if the touchpad is going to be addressed.
I know probably more members don't care than do but we need some update of what's the deal.
That is a great line from the rep!
Alien power . Priceless

 

when are they releasing the new 420 or new machine? i just got a refund for my r2 and thinking about reordering or waiting... CF isnt very good for animating as it only uses 1 card, but sli or 1 420 would be sexy!

 

AW is obviously using one of those rumored 400w power bricks to run their booth.

 

They're probably just using the 1.
Imagine if you threw in SLI's into the M17x... that would mean you would be only able to run 1, maybe 2 M17x's with 480m SLI's. Fail.

5870 ftw!

 

Alien power has throttling issue? Lol

 

I wished Charles questioned AW about the driver issues on the 5870. I think we need an official response from AW.