Where are the new Alienwares?

Oh? I have yet to see any Alienware that I had in my possession overheat. Or do you can the GPU running OC-ed with 200mhz on core and 400 on memory with temps of 65C too hot? My CPU still has to break 70c under full load.

But yeah it is a poor buying choice. Its not like you can upgrade your old M18R2 with a new skylake cpu. You still have to buy a new laptop for that. It is not you can get the new pascal's you still have to buy a new laptop for that.

This discussion is done so much already. But its like the 'against' camp always have to degrade their opinions with lines such as "BGA junk".

 

u talk about temperature yet no mentioning of frequency or voltage nor heatsink capacity. falls on my deaf ear. try again if you can overclock your laptop past 4.6ghz +

 

I got the 6700hq version, the HK owners on the other hand could get quite far. So i cant overclock it, because i wanted more battery life. But you can OC your cpu and its still slower in terms of floating point operations compared to a mid tier i5.

To overclock my gpu i didnt need to raise the voltage.

 

Yes because you know the true metric of performance is ghz.

That must be why Intel's Pentium 4 was a true performance beast with it's 4ghz clocks! Oh wait no that's not true because AMD's athalon processors with a lower clock rate were significantly more powerful.

Not to mention who gives a **** about CPU performance anymore unless you're a overclocker / benchmarker? Pretty much every single brand new game isn't CPU dependent by any means. You can use an i3 or amd processor and it won't affect your fps by much.

 

It's only true that CPU performance isn't very important if you live and breathe little more than playing games. It doesn't take much for that and most games are playable on systems that are relatively anemic. That is especially true now that there are so many crappy console ports. It seems as if there is a huge disconnect between high performance PC enthusiasts and gamers. It's quite common for high performance enthusiast to be avid gamers, but not that common for people that call themselves gamers to be performance enthusiasts. Even among desktop gamers it seems pretty popular to brag about how cheap their budget gaming PC was than it is to see them sporting a wickedly powerful beast.

 

That's why I said unless you're a benchmarker / overclocker. IF you are one of those then yes CPU performance is important.

If you aren't and you're just a regular gamer (or any other computer user) then CPU performance is virtually meaningless.

It has nothing to do with crappy console ports and everything to do with the fact that the vast majority of games do not require any kindoff intensive CPU processing. The vast majority of it is done on the GPU nowadays. There are a few games that are a little bit more CPU intensive but even then I haven't seen any that fully utilize an i7, let alone an i7 extreme edition.

Now if you're running tri/quad SLI setups with significant overclocking then yes the CPU does become limiting and a factor but that goes back to if you're a benchmarker / overclocker you will see the need for more and more powerful CPUs. Anyone else and you're really fine with whatever.

 

no they can not, thats an ignorant answer but ok.

 

You might want to limit that to just a gamer. I can list at least 5 more types of users who need CPU power.

 

Fair enough so let me rephrase it to "normal computer user" and not people who are running tons of scientific calculations on their computers

He didn't say they could overclock it to 4.7. He said they could overclock it quite far. The base clocks for that processor is 2.8 I believe and they've been overclocked to at least 4.0ghz afaik.

And know what else is ignorant? You comparing a $1100 processor to a $400 processor and then orgasming over how the $1100 processor can be overclocked more. No really?

Brb let me buy a Koenigsegg and then orgasm over how much more powerful it is compared to a Toyota. I'm sure I will be very shocked by the results...

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See this is the problem with people like you and Papusan who feel the need to tell everyone how junk their computers are because of BGA. Or as you like to put it "nag".

I am perfectly willing to understand the needs of people who upgrade their computers. I may question how much money they're willing to spend, but at the end of the day it's their money. I don't go around insulting people because they prefer upgradable computers vs BGA computers.

Meanwhile people like you and papusan make it a point to let everyone know just how superior your LGA computers are and how everyone else can go suck it.

So guess what? It brings me huge pleasure to see YOU TWO in particular cry about how Intel / Nvidia have ****ed you over and made your current laptops in-upgradable. Because guess what the 6700K processors and the 1080 cards destroy everything about your computers, for significantly less money.

For everyone else who do like to upgrade their laptops, I feel bad for them and pissed that companies like MSI won't honor the 2 generation upgrade guarantee they advertised. Because guess what? Just because we use/upgrade our computers differently doesn't mean the other side needs to be killed off and relegated to a dust land.

 

Not just scientific - Rendering, Simulations (kinda scientific) , VFX, Video Encoding / Editing , VM's, CAD/CAM/ 3D Modelling, etc. To name a few.

 

Don't forget my 3D VR 16k porn collection. The pixels are so real you can actually see the STDs in real time!

But also CAD/CAM/3D Modelling is a lot more GPU intensive than CPU. Significantly more infact. And if you're really looking for top of the line CAD/CAM/3D work you're looking at the Xeon processors, not i7. Ah the days of CATIA.....*shudders*

 

Im sure CUDA can handle that

 

This means that a BGABook can't replace a desktop (as expected ). Even so, believe a number of normal pc users/gamers that their BGA machines are DTR More like a big portable tablet You can even game on tablet/phones also

 

And like a dog Papusan comes when I mention his name.

How are you liking the new 1080 cards? OH WAIT YOUR COMPUTER CAN'T HANDLE IT HAHAHAHAHA. Guess your MXM laptop has been relegated to the trash can with the rest of us now too right?

Oh but wait a second I see you got a laptop with a 6700K, interesting. Why? Couldn't upgrade your old intel extreme laptop to the latest skylake CPUs? Damn what does that remind me of? Oh that's right a BGA laptop. God damn disposable things, I know.

 

Not really. Xeon's only add support for ECC memory and large amounts at that. They arent any different other than that. Also Xeon's are the only processors available with high core counts, which is why they are a "forced" to go with Xeon;s instead of normal i7's that dont have more than 10 core, and lack decent multi processor platform support.
And Visualization in those apps needs the GPU, anything that comes after, uses the CPU through and through. I use them on a daily basis, being a FX Artist.

But all this discussion is for an entirely different topic. I was just pointing out that there are lot of more customers/users for high end systems and gaming is not the only aspect.

 

HaHa. My 980 work still with my little gaming. Who is Almost zero And [email protected] GHz in a laptop is a little more fun to use than a flimsy i7 BGA I want more than graphics in my computer

 

I use CAD/CAM daily Trust me when I say the Xeon processors are much more suited for it than the i7s, especially since I've tried both. For generally any CAD software memory bandwidth and amount of memory available is significantly important, Xeon is just better at it than an i7 at that. CATIA is more single core focused since I don't think it uses multiple cores very well or at all. AutoCAD is better with multi-core CPUs, but with both Xeon > i7 in everything but cost.......and that cost is a big FU.

Plus with most new CAD / DE software taking heavy advantage of parallel processing with things like OpenCL, the massive parallel processing capabilities of GPUs are outshining CPU performance.

You should read on. Because I specifically made fun of you regarding just that. I distinctly remember you telling me 1 1/2 years ago how your i7 extreme laptop was superior in everyway and how you'll be able to upgrade that forever.

So tell me Papusan, why did you buy a new laptop with a 6700K CPU? I mean after all your boasting about upgradability you should have just been able to stick in a 6700K into your old laptop right? Oh damn I guess you couldn't...quite sad really

 

A big misconception. But ill leave it at this. Cool if it works for you.

 

All know that a new chipset normally mean new processor(But Kaby Lake can replace Skylake) Can you? And I still have my nice AW17 "Elitist" to play with. My wife want it A Hotwell Mx is still a pleasant acquaintance. It would have been worse if I had a fully throttling high end Hotwell BGA...As in your Echo. You can maybe still use it for mail/web browsing without fully throttling?

 

Well I do use CATIA/AutoCAD/solidworks at least once a day either in class or at work And we have both i7 and Xeon computers, the Xeon ones are significantly better and faster. For other things I can't answer that since I don't use them.

My CPU has yet to go over 70C in normal/gaming usage. Hell it can run the XTU test at max clocks (not overclocked of course) without breaking a sweat or going over 90C.

But yes apart from that Haswell wasn't that great of a processor line from Intel for anything more than general / gaming usage. For overclockers / benchmarkers it was a crap lineup.

You still haven't understood my joke. Let me explain it to you in simpler English since even though you spend 90% of your life on this forum your English is still not as good as a Chinese farmer who watches American porn in his spare time.

1 1/2 years ago you made a massive deal about how you can upgrade your CPU for ever and how you'll always be able to use the latest and greatest CPU from Intel. I told you that you wouldn't because Intel will eventually **** you over and you disagreed saying that LGA is king. So I find it quite hilarious that only 18 months later you had to buy a whole new laptop to use the new skylake processors.

Guess what I'll be doing? I'm going to be buying a whole new laptop with a skylake processor and a 1080 card. Just like you had to =) So at the end of the day nobody benefited, your old computer is no longer upgradable to anything. Your new computer will be able to upgrade to kaby lake but I doubt it will be upgradable to icylake which is coming out in 2018 (so in 1 1/2 years again) and your GPU is no longer upgradable.

So at the end of the day neither of our computers were really upgradable. Just like I told you 1 1/2 years ago. I warned you Intel and Nvidia would **** you over and guess what? Looks like I was right, again. But hey lets make another bet that in 1 1/2 years or so when icylake comes out that your laptop will no longer be upgradable.

 

Hmph. Company Rep says it's upgradeable​

so does the expert that writes the firmware​

 

I called eurocom and they're working on fitting the 1080 into the P870DM original, but wasn't so sure on the SLi config?

 

Show me the post where I said that my 4930mx could upgrade to a new chipset(Skylake). 4930 → 4940Mx. But Hotwell 4940Mx was, a failure for overclocking.
Ps. A i7-4980 BGA's 3.8GHz 4-core base turbo can hit 4.4GHz as they say. Can yours? Of course not Most of them throttle. Show me Wprime 1024M, with Hwinfo64 in the background. Of course with high performance in Win power plan. Please be my gest and show me!!

Wprime Hwbot version 1.55 http://www.mediafire.com/download/jbeswno4a4mdiy6/wPrime.exe
Hwinfo64 http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/hwinfo64-download.html

Yeah. I know my English isn't first class, but do you need to be bully?

 

I tried 4.4ghz on a macbook and it burned the motherboard out

 

Yes, he must be careful. The components on the Echo motherboard is fragile... But he should at least test with a lower wimpy 4.2 GHz. If not 4.3 GHz. Still under 6 bin Overclock. And must show NO throttling in that Wprime 1024M stress test!!

 

Well there are plenty of threads saying otherwise. Especially on the MSI side so I guess we have to wait to see what happens in a few months.

This is why I said your English still needs work. Because holy **** I've already repeated this several times now.

Neither your old laptop or my old laptop were really all that upgradable. You had 1 CPU revision (Haswell) which you could upgrade to, but it was crap. And you had 1 GPU you could upgrade to (the 980 series) and that was it. So really your old laptop was upgradable for a year.

THAT is what I was making fun of.

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And why would I overclock my laptop? You want to know why I'm specifically making fun of you? It's because you can't seem to understand that not everyone feels the need to upgrade and overclock their laptops. And nor do they feel the need to go into every thread and reply with how bad BGA is.

Guess what? Some of don't care about upgrading or overclocking and that's perfectly fine. Some of us do care about it and that's perfectly fine too. Both sides can co-exist quite happily and neither has to be killed off. I do not want all laptops to be BGA only, I want there to be both because different people prefer different things.

That's why I don't make fun of other people who prefer to upgrade their laptops because they understand this. You, on the other hand don't.

So before asking "do you need to be bully" in your broken as **** English, think about that first because literally 90% of your posts is you insulting other people's computers and intelligence because "BGA".

I feel sad for the people who can't upgrade to 1080 chips on their MSI and/or clevo laptops. For you? It makes me happy. And yes it pisses me off when companies purposely disregard the promises they made to their customers, like MSI.

 

WHY can't we all just get along???

 

I still haven't got this ↓↓↓ info from you sir. This is your own words!!! Please can you show me the post - thread where I said this??? Maybe your high end i7 BGA will throttle heavy if you use it for searching this info? Maybe borrow the neighbor's desktop for search? I think you will need it

 

@Mr. Fox @Ashtrix @Mobius 1 @Cass-Olé
The direction Dell go. Probably for AW as well Typical Dell. Call it high performance. Same as they said about the Echo models!! What next?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3111...in-1-is-a-worthwhile-desktop-replacement.html

Edit. @Daniel1983 The man still bully my second language. Already doing such for over 2 years now. Do you consider such is acceptable on the web?

 

You don't remember the Alienware thread you got banned from because you kept derailing it with talking about how you can't upgrade BGA laptops? Telling us how LGA was better because you can upgrade it?

You don't remember how many of your posts with TomGFX had gotten deleted because of that? You don't remember the tons of posts you made in the Owners Lounge threads insulting people who bought alienware laptops even though 1. You weren't an owner. 2. That thread was for people to discuss their laptops.

You really don't remember any of those? You make a post in pretty much every topic that has any hint of BGA about how BGA is bad because it's un-upgradable. Meanwhile here you are with your old laptop that you couldn't upgrade to Sky Lake and your current Clevo laptop that you won't be able to upgrade to Icy Lake (Most likely, knowing Intel).

I don't have to look for a single post. You've made 100s of posts about the greatness of upgrading laptops, that's my entire point. You claimed your laptop was upgradable when in reality after 1 1/2 years it's quite apparent it wasn't (and I'm talking about your old laptop not your new Clevo one). Now sure I will agree that in an ideal world it would be, but guess what I said 1 1/2 years ago? Intel and Nvidia will screw you over and your laptop won't remain upgradable forever. And guess what happened 1 1/2 years later? It wasn't upgradable and you had to buy a whole new PC.

This is what you don't understand. Keep insulting people and then act all offended when someone insults you back.

It's called marketing. Guess what everyone does it. It's like how MSI claims their cooling system gives you 40% more performance than other laptops. Really 40% better performance huh?

Or how ASUS claims their cooling keeps their high end laptops totally silent. ASUS laptops are silent? Really now.

Everyone does it. There's a reason why most people ignore words like "high performance" or "XX% better" and go check out reviews.

So wait a second. You go into every thread insulting everyone with a BGA laptop. You've insulted their intelligence, you've insulted their laptop purchases, you've insulted their money, you've insulted them for not being overclockers etc etc etc.

You've derailed countless of threads and gone into owners lounge threads and made fun of people's laptops that you don't even own.

But that's perfectly ok. But dear god if someone insults your English that's when you become a giant crybaby.

If you want to insult everyone don't cry about getting insulted back.

Notice how I don't insult any of the other people who prefer LGA over BGA? I wonder why that is.

 

I don't consider any form of bullying "acceptable". I just really miss coming to these forums and seeing people HELP each other out regularly-this whole thing has turned into a pi$$ing contest of "my machine is better than yours" when reality is everyone has a very different need for their machine. Not everyone wants an ugly extremely high performing notebook, and vise versa. I'm sure that the price point on all these "enthusiast grade" machines is so similar to others that if anyone wanted it they could buy it, but not everyone finds the exact same thing attractive; two people can look at the exact same thing and see it very differently. That's what makes us human. If all of us sow everything the exact same way imagine how boring this world would be!

Let's do our best to go back to getting along with others and put an end to this trolling. There is far too much of it happening. Forgive and forget. Holding a never ending grudge is like letting the other person live inside your head rent free. Not worth it.

 

Sigh lol. This is why its so hard to have a conversation with you because your grasp of the English language just isn't 100% and no in this case I'm not using this as an insult just a fact.

You claimed a while back that LGA chips, like the one in your laptop, was superior to the BGA chip in my laptop because when a new CPU came out you could upgrade it. Right? And sure I agree with that 100%, LGA chips are upgradable, BGA chips are not.

You had an intel extreme chip 3980X I think, can't remember. I said you won't be able to upgrade it because Intel is going to **** you over. Your upgrade path was a haswell chip that was significantly worse. That was it.

Therefore in reality your old laptop was no more upgradable than my old laptop. There was simply nothing for you to upgrade to. It can't take Skylake chips, and it can't take a 1080 gpu. That is what I was making fun of.

I never said you call people names like "faggot" or what not. I said that you insult people and their choice in laptops because you simply cannot accept and/or understand the fact that not everyone needs or wants a monster laptop that weighs 5kg and isn't BGA.

I mean what did you post 2 pages back?

You know full well that just because it's a BGA laptop doesn't mean it's a tablet. My old laptop can play Deus Ex mankind divided on high at 45-50fps just fine with the fans on low and the cpu and gpu in the 60s.

Every single thread that mentions BGA you have to stick in your head in and remind everyone that their laptop choices are pathetic and garbage and low performing compared to your superior laptop choices. Every. Single. ****ing. Thread. You even have it in your signature and your avatar.

Just grow the **** up and understand that everyone has a different need in their laptop choices. Some people care more about portability but still want power. Good for them. Some people want monster laptops that weigh 5kg and allow you to overclock to w/e they want. Good for them too. Nobody's laptop is ****, they're just targeted at different market. Nobody is stupid for buying one of those laptops.

The simple fact that two ****ing years later you're still ranting on about the same crap and refusing to accept other people's choices just shows me how mature you are and how incapable you are of understanding people's choices.

There are plenty of people on this forum who prefer your laptop vs an alienware 17 R2, they don't go around spamming on every post about how their non BGA-laptop is superior to Alienware's BGA laptop. They don't need to because its ridiculous, childish and pathetic. But yet you still find the need to do that.

Seriously, grow the **** up. I know you're fully capable of making intelligent and helpful posts, even with your poor English skills, because I've seen them in topics that aren't about BGA. Stop posting your anti-BGA crap everywhere and just accept people's choices.

 

I've never talked about Ivy. If I had said something about upgrade of Intel processors... If you (as I) had an i7 Extreme aka 4930Mx... You could upgrade to 4940Mx. Nothing more!! If you have 4710BGA and wanted more power.....

BTW. And which processor is 3980X? Is it shipped in laptops? Or desktops?

 

I just skipped every post here but you -> " cookies981", you are very much being subjected to the Internet and gives off an image being victimized, Let me cut the slack for ya. Welcome to the Internet this is how It works, A <$hi!tload> or <Insert any> of opinions is what makes it, and NBR being most optimistic in every manner being mature enough makes it unique place /hobby for many and company representatives, helps to learn stuff.

But you are crossing the line here on the basic ethics of being a civilized human, I don't care what you think about BGA or anything but as a collective enthusiast group or the opposite one can expect a lot of friction and talking the things out makes us gentlemen but this is being the other way & for christ's sake papusan's lives in Norway, And has a family too, much elder than you, have some respect & I can bet he must have seen so much like your immature kiddo thinking poor souls with better perspective in an immaculate manner trying to understand, But yeah how can one even do that while the opposite personality is a childish, rude, weak at mind, clumsy, trying to point finger at English. ROFL what an idiocy.

Also can any of you (false BGA prophets) who are bashing that machine hold a candle to his benchmarks ? I can bet even if you get the same HW you cannot do anything, Oh sorry you have a BGA you don't know how unlocked K series processors and unlocked BIOSes work, be careful you may fry your BGA board...

Hope you understand and shut up. I hope this thread bites dust. So much of disrespect for an opinion can't take it and burst and try to disturb & instead being the calm and composed like others works with Xeon and all but, are you such weak at mind ? grow up, quit being a kid.

BGA is dead end for user choice. Period & Dell is Private, do they you pay for this ? Or is Clevo / <Any> paying the others ?

Different choices, opinions and use cases but sharing is caring that's what forums are for to learn the missing links and adapt and improvise not a flaming fest.

@Papusan , Please ignore them and stop educating the uncivilized..

 

4940MX is a haswell processor and isn't really an upgrade to the 4930MX, its at best equal but generally just worse. So really it's not upgradable at the end of the day.

And sorry I meant 3920 not 3980. No clue why I thought you had a 3920 chip.

There's a difference between having an opinion and refusing to understand someone else's choices. And then there's an even bigger difference between that and spamming your opinion on every thread regardless of what the topic is.

And this is exactly what I mean. Why does my CPU have to beat his CPU? My laptop needs are completely different to his laptop needs. I do not need a fully upgradable monster because one I do not use my laptop for overclocking and two I care more about portability since my laptop goes everywhere with me. I have other machines more suited for that task.

You don't even know anything about me but yet you assume that I don't know how K series processors and unlocked BIOSes work. Real mature there.

Thank you, thank you for proving my point. Enthusiasts like papusan and you have made this forum a completely toxic place to where the only opinion that matters is if you have a 5kg laptop with an intel extreme chip. Everyone else's laptop choices are needs are irrelevant and therefore not needed. And you call me disrespectful lol.

See in reality here's the thing. I'm perfectly happy to except other people's opinions. I fully accept the enthusiast crowd and I do not want to see all laptops go BGA or become 100% locked down. There needs to be laptops made for people like you, just as much as there needs to be laptops made for people who aren't you. Neither side has to die and I do not want either side to die.

Go look at what this forums have become over the past 2 years. There used to be a lot more company representatives posting here from all of the major / enthusiast PC brands, a lot of them have either quit or post here very rarely. Why? Because why should they when people like you have insulted them, their families, their ethics, their job etc. There's a way to get your opinion across and then there's your way. Guess which one works better?

I mean **** I do not give a single **** about my laptop being upgradable and yet if you go look at another thread IN THIS VERY FORUM I am defending people who bought MSI/Clevo laptops that are no longer upgradable. Why? Because I find that just as much ******** as the next person. They were promised upgrades and they better damn well get those upgrades or a brand new laptop. No excuses there.

Both BGA, and LGA + MXM laptops can and should exist. They both serve different markets, and cater to different needs and OEMs (be it dell, clevo, sager, msi, asus etc) need to stand by what they claim / what they promise.

So yeah guess what I can handle opinions a lot better than you can because unlike you and papusan I'm not going into every thread and going "LGA SUCKS, LGA MUST DIE BECAUSE ITS USELESS" (rephrased, obviously). And hey I've never made a single post even remotely like that, can you say the same thing? Not at all.

Kindoff funny how both of you still haven't understood this. I never bashed his machine, both his old one and his current one are beasts.

I was making fun of the fact that he claimed his OLD laptop was more upgradable than my old laptop when in reality neither of our laptops were upgradable in any real way. His old laptop has no upgrade paths because Intel changed the socket and then the ******** over the "new" MXM design of the 10XX cards and my laptop was never upgradable because it was BGA.

Really don't know how this is such a hard thing to understand.

 

You still have not understood this, as I can see. My Aw17 came with 4930Mx → → → (If I wanted 4940Mx) which came a year thereafter. Your AW "Echo" model... More like this!! 4700Hq = Stop, 4710Hq = Stop, 4720Hq = Stop. Up to the last of the Hotwell BGA chips → 4980Hq... All these i7 was delivered in the first AW Echo (each one a little faster than the first one that was used in your model). I thought an upgrade was the same as switching to a newer faster processor launched the following year. The same with the graphics card. My AW17 came with 780M → → → 880M and then finally 980M. I don't not know what you would call this. Maybe a replacement and not a upgrade of the internal hardware, perhaps?
And back to your words... < he claimed his OLD laptop was more upgradable than my old laptop> I don't know what to say anymore

 

But you yourself have said multiple times that haswell is crap and therefore not a upgrade. So by your OWN words there was no more CPU upgrades left for your laptop. Sure you could have upgraded to the haswell chip but that would have been a downgrade and therefore pointless. Broadwell wasn't aimed at the laptops we had and was BGA only, and then intel changed the socket so it was GG for you and GG for me (unless you wanted to go with the haswell chip, which you didn't for good reason).

My AW17 came with a 980M. And 1 1/2 years ago your laptop had a 980M. So yet again no upgrades from there.

So compared to the laptop you had 1 1/2 years ago and the laptop I had 1 1/2 years ago neither of us had any upgrades left to do and that's exactly what I told you.

[Also I thought everyone agreed that we would never ever mention the 880M? Even in passing]

I think this is like the 10th time I've said this now and you're still arguing it lol.

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If you want to be pedantic and compare the laptop from the day you bought it and not 1 1/2 years ago like I've been saying for the past 10 posts now. You upgraded your laptop once, from a 780M -> 980M. And that was it, 1 upgrade.

Now like I also said in an ideal world yes your laptop would still be upgradable today. But we don't live in an ideal world and eventually Intel and/or Nvidia will **** you over, just like I said they would. Well everyone knew about sky lake but not many people expected this **** with the Pascal MXM cards.

 

This is exactly why these topics get so toxic. Overstating things, overreacting, being childish etc. A tablet?!?!?! Seriously you come off just like a troll.

A DTR laptop is still a not fully high end to the best desktops out there, while they DO have the price of the best desktops. So in the end it is jsut this. The bigger you make it, the faster you can make it. Everything is limited by its size. I dont want a larger size so I cannot have it all. You want a bit bigger laptop but its sitll a laptop, it still isnt as powerful as a modern desktop for the same price.

I do all types of multimedia production work which require computing power AND gaming and it does that wonderfully and could replace a desktop for it. It might be a little bit slower than a 6700K (the differences are really not that big) but in the end it gets the job done with fair ease and I can put it in my bag to take it somewhere else.

I would show my portfolio of all my renders and designs that I have done on this laptop but that would hurt my privacy (some users in private have shown that. Of the anti BGA camp in private messages).

Just stop talking for others like people as me. I earn my money with this product while you just use it for benchmarking, How you use a laptop is like having a good car but only put it on a test roller to see how much power the engine has but never taking it on the streets. Stuff like handling, ergonomics etc doesnt matter to you yet you like to constant come with childish remarks about others. In the end your opinion isnt credible.

 

I wouldn't sweat it in wasting your valuable time to provide proof of something to those who can't even understand the basics.

For example:

1. Why are Mobile Chips being compared to Desktop Chips in the first place? I mean come on. If one is that incompetent to not be able to understand that these are two different classes of chips then something is seriously mentally wrong with that individual. A desktop chip should be compared to a desktop chip, yet some people get the jollies off of an unfair comparison and it some how fulfills them? Yea, that's real mature.

2. Any normal person should be able to answer these questions. Your choices are as follows:

• Gaming Desktop,
  
• DTR,
  
• BGA Gaming Laptop,
  
• BGA regular non gaming
  
• BGA Tablet.

What type of machine/device would best suit the following scenarios:

a.) A student who needs a computer mostly to type essays.
b.) A casual gamer who uses their laptop mostly for word processing, spreadsheets, browsing, email and lighter tasks...
c.) A gamer who never travels and only games at home.
d.) A person who likes to game with respectable frame rates while being able to quickly pack up and be on the go without carrying around a ton of weight.
e.) A person who only needs to check emails and browse the internet while being away from home/office.
f.) A person who wants desktop performance in a small package, because they really need the portability for either gaming and/or resource intensive tasks for work.
g.) A person who wants desktop performance in a small package to be able to run benchmarks, because it's their hobby.

Hint: You can't answer DTR for all of those scenarios and if you think that it can, please stop posting and get some help.

3. Many of the replies that I've seen from those in the bga bashing camp are talking about not putting people down, while in the same post they are putting down and/or bashing bga owners? Hypocrisy at its finest.

Here is a repost. It's needed to hopefully shed more light into some key facts related to this topic and discussion:

Opinions won't change the facts in that the tides have shifted greatly due to the release of Pascal; and the surfacing of the mobile chips like the 6820HK that can hold its own for virtually all games to date.

Purely on the gaming front taking a 6820HK/1080 vs a 6700K/1080 will be a battle of equal weights (yes I've said it haters) due to the fact that most games don't even tax the CPU much, if at all! Of course some games do utilize the CPU, however, for the most part...most games would never tax the CPU enough to where it would even matter.

The 6820HK as we've demonstrated is a worthy mobile chip that hold its own, respectively, in the gaming arena. The only time the 6700K would really shine past the 6820HK are in CPU intensive work load tasks. We all know this, duh, yet some people just don't get it nor understand that we are talking about a mobile chip vs a desktop chip here. However, we're talking about gaming here and with gaming laptops right?

Although I do not wish for bga to continue in high end gaming laptops as I love socketed chips, delidding and all that jazz, over being fed what I'm given, the main determining factor of ones tolerance for bga is purely based on cost/value to performance ratio and practicality. (Some people sit at home and troll forums all day on their DTR, some people make a living with their laptop and may need extreme portability, etc...)

As of now, the newest kids on the block like the MSI, ASUS and alike that have rolled out their Pascal gaming machines are unfortunately still bga (as expected) with very high price tags. This obviously makes it a no brainer in that if the price is dancing in the DTR category, well...we know what the wise choice would be if you're looking for a portable gaming laptop with desktop components. (But, with Pascal, in terms of power a lot has changed...)

I, along with many of you would personally not pay DTR prices for a bga machine. Now under what circumstances would that change? - There could be many variables, but I'll save that for another conversation.

It's a double edged sword right now at this present time for both DTR and bga machines.

On one end, DTR's are dealing with heat issues along with screen issues in trying to figure out what, when, why, and where of the 5ms / 120Hz panels, where as...

On the BGA end, the prices are just ridiculous for their flagship offerings that knock at the door at DTR pricing. (Likely due to Pascal, but that's no excuse to over charge.)

Now having something socketed is pretty priceless, however, there is a scenario where something like a BGA CPU with a MXM GPU could be tolerable. In fact, there are scenarios where both bga CPU and GPU can be tolerable under the right circumstances, BUT! we don't want to be supporting the proprietary communist movement now do we?

Double edged sword.

Another thing to keep in mind, aside to the silicon lottery, is how often you've really burned out a CPU under even extreme gaming, heavy CPU load etc...Come on...like really...under extreme cases of reasonable usage (including but not limited to, extreme rendering, gaming, CPU Max type of tasks) have you ever burned out a CPU?

This leads to the point of having a bga CPU being the lesser of two evils compared to the bga GPU. At least IMO.

Very interesting times right now in the portable gaming realm...it's all relative to how the tides shift from price, value, warranty, upgradability, practicality, usage habits etc...

Simply put, "Say NO to BGA Gaming Laptops being sold at DTR prices." & "Say YES to common sense to make sense of practicality."

Double edged sword.

Gosh okay I was going to just end it there, but I'll just say it.

"With the release of Pascal, the gap between DTR's and Gaming / Power Laptops have narrowed to a point where the DTR's will get a run for their money, no doubt, in the coming months through benchmarks etc... This in turn will cause a huge ruckus among the DTR community, because the throne in which was held before of having a desktop 980 walking circles around the 9XXM mobile series is no longer something that is valid now due to the Pascal chips being shared across all platforms.

Therefore, with the leverage no longer there...things are going to be very interesting like we've never seen it before. It's about to get steaming as ego's will be undeniably stripped with the bga machines right along side the dtr's waving their hands, neck to neck in almost all normal circumstances, less CPU ultra extreme tasks that makes up very little of the gamers in whole. - PLUS, to any normal person, computer savvy or not, don't you find it strange that a DTR isn't being compared to a Desktop or heck even another DTR, rather it's being compared to a Mobile Gaming Laptop with a Mobile chip?

I am still trying to figure out how one gets the jingles out of doing that?" Anyways...

Cheers to pushing things to the Max and having fun while doing it.

"Say NO to BGA Gaming Laptops being sold at DTR prices." & "Say YES to common sense to make sense of practicality and for pete's sake stop comparing mobile chips to desktop chips!"

 

You make absolutely no sense.

A bga laptop is not intended to replace a desktop, so why even state the obvious? There is absolutely no intelligence in your statements.

So all bga machines are big portable tablets? Well in that case, let's take an MSI, ASUS and the soon to be released AW big portable tablets with a 1080 and put it up against your 980. How about that?

Big Portable Tablets, here they come...and coming for you.

It's denial. Pure denial with most of the haters that have nothing left, but to put people down to fuel their ego's because they are now running on fumes. (Pascal, making their machines obsolete.)

For the record, my stance on bga and lga and pga golf and nba and whatever is very neutral. I understand that different scenarios require different tools and it's all about practicality for the individual.

I also am firm with my opinion in not paying dtr prices for bga gaming laptops when you can just get a dtr for that kind of money.

 

Would be very happy to see some Pascal MXM cards from Dell.

That!

 

Hmm the last time I've checked when OC'ed to 4.0Ghz (daily driver) and OC'ed on my GPU to 215 core / 400 memory that my temps are nowhere overheating... People like that crack me up...

CPU's hover in the mid 60C's
GPU stays at high 50C's and low 60C's at worst.

Thanks to liquid metal of course...

But, dang I guess that's running hot. I should be worried....

 

Not mine words

 

I foresee the new AW line up all following along the same foot steps as MSI, ASUS etc...

It'll be no surprise if we see bga cpu and Pascal offerings....perhaps some new displays in the line up as well.

What I'm more curious about is the pricing.

Heck, if they announce something out of left field...I'm sure we'll all be ecstatic. The resurrection of the dtr variant? Wishful thinking maybe...

I think you're talking it way out of context and really going beyond the usual boundaries, because you're getting exhausted with options to fuel your rant.

That laptop wasn't being advertised as a gaming desktop replacement, rather it was for the overall consumer base who performs regular tasks. It's even a 2-1 for crying out loud....

It's clear that you're taking things way to literally. Yea it's funny from a hard core gamer/benchers enthusiasts perspective, but it doesn't take much intelligence to figure out what the point and purpose of the meaning of their, "desktop replacement," meant.

It would be much more peaceful around here if you would just hang it up already and just stop with your bashing. It has gotten old a long time ago. Try to say something nice for once.

 

Well I do call it desktop replacements as in it can replace a desktop for its purpose it is made for. My AW15 can be perfectly used as a gaming PC as for which is intended.

 

That's a tablet replacement because normal PCs aren't BGA mate.

 

I thought you have put my account on ignore mode. Put your money where your mouth is and do it.

 

I think Dell AW are currently undergoing serious test @A-51 to get rid of some Alien tech.
Jokes apart, AW design would be better, thinner and more meaner. I have a bad feeling this time around. I hope they get things right this time. I bet they'd jump the BGA bandwagon all the way for SSD, CPU and GPUs. Maybe this lappie could include samsung 971 ssd nvme.

 

Part of me was thinking that some of the new models they release will be less user upgradeable to make them thinner but also it could be just some refreshes with some little changes here and there.

 

I hope the refreshes are as big of a jump to at least match that of Pascal. This is their last chance to redeem themselves.

Considering that the 17R3 is what it is as their top end...I foresee a 6920HK/1080 bga of course with some new screen options.



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