Well that's ironic. You talk about poor quality but you're going to consider an Acer laptop if they make it socketed?
Acer? The company that makes some of the cheapest computers around?
Ah yes because there's only two categories of laptops:
1. Plays everything on max.
2. Everything else.
I mean who needs a 2k laptop that can do everything WELL. Does it have to be the best in it's class at everything? No it doesn't.
My gaming experience on my laptop is perfect. That makes it a solid performer for ME. Just because it doesn't hit ultra on 100% of games doesn't make my expectations low, it just means I have other things to that I consider equally important.
If you, papusan, Daniel, ashtrix really think you're making even a 0.001% dent in alienware sales you are delusional enough that I have this lovely bridge to sell you.
Face it, outside of this forum and techinferno nobody knows who you are or even gives a **** who you are.
Dell, Alienware, MSI, Asus, Clevo etc etc etc will all continue to exist next year, the year after, the year after and nothing you have done or will do will change that.
This forum and techinferno is nothing but a tiny tiny fraction of their potential sales. And at the end of the day the only people you are convincing on this forum are people who were already convinced in the first place and always preferred enthusiast machines.
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To me the only option is to say no to filth and refuse to compromise on BGA trash under any circumstances. If enthusiasts and truly hard-core gamers give them any wiggle room on this we will get more of the same nonsense. There has to be zero tolerance for it if we expect anything to change for the better.
I'd rather go back to desktop and use a Chromebook or cheap sub-$500 notebook for mobility with no performance capacity whatsoever than spend any amount of money on a compromised gamer-boy BGA turdbook. This is not about hating people with different opinions or not accommodating individual preferences. It's about hating OEMs that don't offer solutions for every need, but are not the least bit hesitant to tell lies about the compromised products they do offer and misrepresent them as something they are not, and never will be.
Alienware seems to excel in this space, and they consistently pitch their filth as something truly amazing when that is clearly not the case. Even if they are or will become the king of turdbooks, that is not a kingdom enthusiasts want to be part of. It's wrong for them to use deceptive marketing to try to lure in gullible shoppers.Last edited: Aug 31, 2016Papusan, Daniel1983, Ashtrix and 2 others like this. -
But no you're totally correct. Dell/Asus/Clevo/MSI/Sager etc etc etc should definitely dedicated resources into making monster $5000 laptop that like 10 people buy every year. It's definitely a logical decision.
That's why I'm sure you live in the biggest house on this planet, and drive the most powerful and expensive car in the world, oh and of course top of the line business jets to fly you around everywhere right? Because #nocomprise. Jesus Christ.
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Then you wonder why people put you on ignore or don't bother taking time to respond to you.
If 45fps is a 'tremendous
experience' for you that's fine. You get a sweat little package for the price and you can play on the bus to school.
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"Standard deviation graph"
Do you even know what the words standard deviation means? I think what you're looking for is a normal distribution graph aka the bell curve.
Standard deviation is a measure of how much the data is spread out. How much it deviates from the average.
And no 99% of stupid people won't be right in the middle since you have no concept of what the word average / standard deviation / normal distribution means. But hey if you ever took a basic maths and/or statistics class in your entire life you'd have been able to understand that, I think they teach that in like primary school. Maybe lower school at the very latest.
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Hint:
That's a normal distribution graph, also known as the bell curve.
Go take a long look at the mirror before calling other people stupid when you claim that 99% of people on a normal distribution graph would be right in the middle (the average). Maybe pick up a dictionary or, even better:
It's probably a great book! Will teach you everything that the 99% already know.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that you enthusiasts have gone so far down your hole that I'm sitting here listen to you defend Acer.
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but u get the point. its kinda sad though we keep on saying bga junk this and that yet you dont do the extra work of researching them.
and btw that 21x predator likely will use BGA CPU just like most OEM. acer being so far behind have no choice but to go mainstream, even though they throw out this amazing idea of 21 inch display they simply too afraid to change internal hardware to a desktop cpu. talk about pressure from intel. -
Go read that book. Maybe it'll help you understand what 99% of the world already understands....the definition of "average".
Ah pressure from Intel eh. The conspiracy theory thickens! What's next? The illuminati is trying to take over the worlds supply of LGA chips by flooding the market with BGA?
Maybe Acer too
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It is really too big to carry it with ease. Its too small to be a stationary PC because it has only a 21inch screen.
For a stationary machine I rather play with a total silent desktop hooked onto a 27inch Gsync monitor aka my setup.
Anyway thats just my view on it. These laptops are so expensive that you can get a fairly well powered but carry-able laptop and a balls to the wall desktop for the same price. Instead of a machine that tries to be all but isnt really as good as dedicated machines.Last edited: Aug 31, 2016 -
Aspiring to be average and going with the flow because it is popular is a bad option. No thanks. Good luck with the pursuit of being ordinary and allowing your future to be dictated by statisticians and pencil necked dweebs.
And, the sad truth of the matter is that brain cancer at Dell/Alienware goes far beyond the reach of their crippled turdbooks. Even Alienware desktops are crippled garbage now. I just hope Dell pulls the plug on the whole Alienware division. Their continued existence is pathetic blemish that tarnishes the entire genre of PC gamers and enthusiasts.
Here's an example (one of multiple) of their flawed approach to business with their desktops. These people are the epitome of failure. Everything they do is a glaring example of incompetence and disconnect with their enthusiast roots.
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I can guarantee you that people with your go with the flow line of thinking and take whatever they offer approach is part of the reason we are in such a sorry state right now. Thank you for that.
Looking at my options now. Leaning toward a 6950X 1080 SLI desktop. DM3 looks awesome, but I don't want to get screwed a second time at the next GPU refresh if they pull the same stunt by making parts not fit for upgrades. Trust and respect must be earned. They (MSI and Clevo) lost most of mine at the release of Pascal. Their intent to screw customers out of upgrade opportunities that are more affordable than new machines could not have been more obvious.Last edited: Aug 31, 2016Spartan@HIDevolution, Cass-Olé, temp00876 and 4 others like this. -
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Resident Evil 6 - 60Fps +
Resident Evil Revelations 2 - 60Fps +
Battlefield 4 - 80 - 100 Fps
Dawn of War 2 - 120 Fps
BloodBowl 2 - 60Fps +
Sol Survivor - 60 Fps +
The Witcher 2 - 60Fps +
Crysis 3 - 55 - 60 Fps +
Eternal Crusade (Founders Alpha/ Beta) - 60Fps +
Warframe - 100Fps +
Batman Arkham Knight - 60Fps +
Totalwar Warhammer - 55 - 60 Fps (Benchmark)
Gamecube/ Emulation - 60Fps +
These are just a handful of my titles..... oh dang, a few drops down to 55 Fps for Total War and Crysis 3.....guess there's absolutely no way I can enjoy those anymore.........
Apparently you need triple digits now guys....... better get returning those new Alienwares, doesn't matter that you've been enjoying them........
Awww - look at this - He's all grown up everybody and he "deploys" now...
Well hate to break it to you but the purpose of laptops are to be more portable than desktops whilst still offering as much power as possible. Most gamers, myself included do travel around and need a lighter system ergo your point about DTR is completely moot, but nice try though.
I don't care if they ignore me because I don't value the opinions of naysayers and those whom b!tch that they know better concerning what true quality is. I don't need to enter a pi$$ing contest with those whom possess misleading, incorrect and unwanted opinions that I have already $hit upon.
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I'm just waiting for the new Alienwares to drop and get obliterated by the competition with identical specs in benchmarks... Because we all know how skilled their engineers are.. "WHAT? You want to OVERCLOCK your machine.?!. The one we gave birth to and crippled from the very start.?. Don't be silly; we made sure you can't do that." ROFL
*Builds a proper Titan XP SLI water-cooled gaming rig while using turd books for emailing, browsing, and light editing.*
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My system does everything I require and more. As it does for the vast majority of gamers.
I recognize when a good deal is a good deal and I enjoy it for its duration before upgrading, yet again with a great valued system. The old becomes a back up storage device as well as an additional computer for friends/ family.
Again, they are not turdbooks, they are excellent performing machines and pack massive power in a portable package.
They also function as advertised.....ooooh - Was that too soon?
There is nothing at all wrong with diversity, I've always been one to support it. Nature its very self favors asymmetry.
However the diversity you speak of needs to function as intended and your recent computer, well, that didn't now did it.... I don't support tech that doesn't work.....
You actually also take the biggest loss too financially in terms of how quick your already hideously expensive systems depreciate in value over the course of just a few months. Just look at your recent loss for further information.
Stop deluding yourself that you are defending the better option. Your Mxm systems DIED because there was no significant demand for them.
You are the blind individual here. You'd think after getting shafted not just once, but repeatedly you'd stop supporting that brand/ product, but not you. You return with trousers at ankles and bend yourself over....
If anyone is a fanboy it is you.
Are you actually going to ignore us this time or is this yet further rubbish?
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@1nstance - Buddy - It'll no doubt involve the same patronizing approach the naysayers take from "Oh I'm trying to help educate you on better systems" or "so you're prepared to settle for less".
Same ol' BS.
They are so far up their own deluded elitist @rses that they haven't thought about what makes each individual customer happy. You know, the thing that matters most - Customer satisfaction.
I'm aware my system isn't the fastest, the lightest, or can only upgrade to 16GB of Ram.
It's sound system whilst very good, isn't quite as good as the Msi Gx60 I used to possess and to get most out of the audio side I used my Razer gaming headset.
Does that make it bad - No - It doesn't.
It plays games very well and I'm enjoying it - As are the VAST majority of gamers.
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Personally I like to overclock and see how high I can get my system to perform. I also like to dial back a bit off the overclocking for gaming. But if I buy a Gaming Laptop I want it to play anything I throw at it, and If I spend 5k on a laptop I do not want it to be some soldered on video card and CPU. Granted manufactures have not had a choice when it comes to Intel, (unless you are Clevo using desktop CPUS). but that is what was great about Alienware before is the fact you could possibly upgrade your system with out having to buy a new one. Also fixing the system was alot better imo, replacing a video card if it fail is better than having to replace the whole motherboard.Spartan@HIDevolution, Ashtrix, ole!!! and 4 others like this. -
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Your affirmation of my right to post here is where your input should have started & ended. Your inability to 'know why' sounds like a personal problem of which I'm under no obligation to help you sort out, so perhaps your time is best spent in resolving the matter there in private to yourself & not here in our public space. Your off-topic post has been reported for deletion with cause & any further outbursts directed at me personally from your member account will also be reported. Your remarks directed at my account are in my estimation highly inappropriate & I've sought relief as is my right to; whether staff schedules your inflammatory remarks for deletion for cause is a matter for them to judge, but whether yes or no, I trust this is now the end of a conversation we never had & never will. Refrain from speaking to me or referencing my account in any way shape or form from this moment forward & respect my right to be let alone from your personal thoughts & opinions over my private life: they aren't welcome & you Sir are way out of line, so please back off & stay away from me for good, are we clear? I'll only say it once & now that I have I suggest you go back to your life while I go back to mine, & do keep your personal opinions about me out of the public realm, or I will ask to have you silenced again with prejudice & ask to have your account reviewed. I've challenged your presumption that you have a right to say whatever you want to me, & hopefully the words you expressed & which I've flagged as offensive will be removed for all of the right reasons & without explanation. There will be no such thing as you indulging in the practice of attacking my account as you have, I will not tolerate it. On the contrary, I will exercise & indulge in my member right to speak out about Dell & Dellware under moderation while being free from all personal jabs directed at my account by the public under moderation; I will not have my member rights violated nor do I acknowledge a care or concern for any input leveraged against my account by yours.Spartan@HIDevolution, ole!!! and Mr. Fox like this. -
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Someone just got a GTX 10 series 15 inch AW
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The question is as follows... will Dell v/Mr. Azor continue to use the same motherboard for AW15 and 17 as they prefer? How to solve the issue to use 190w Nvidia 1080 in a 15 inches AW Echo? Will Dell again use different motherboards vs their models as before? Will Dell use the maxed 1080 in their new AW17R4? And not downscale the max TDP on the card, because their prefered laptop design(Thin and lightweight, but with wery good battery)?
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Wherever the new Alienwares are they better be able to present some unique offerings to match some of the new systems available from Msi and Acer - The new Predator 21X features the world's first curved screen on a laptop. That and it's packing dual 1080s.
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One thing is 100% certain. Mr Azor can not shrink these Aw Echo models further. But will their customer segment want thicker laptop models?
My bet is a thicker Aw17 unless Dell goes for Nvidia 1070 in both AW15 - 17 and use the same motherboards on both models one more time as before. This is the easiest and cheapest solution for Dell. Lower storage costs and easier access to parts, like they doe with their current Aw Echo models.
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Who gives a **** about their Maxwell machines anymore, they can't be upgraded to Pascal. Which means the last "enthusiast pc" OEM/ODM is slowly moving away from that market. Why? Because clearly that market wasn't paying for itself.
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As you can see the monopoly is not a good thing for anything, It just undermines every stuff and stunts the growth, Nvidia / Intel tight policies are the cause to this, believe it or not. MSI claiming the upgrades while Clevo designs the HW fully socketed, Enthusiast market is not going anywhere MSIGT83VR / P870DM2-3 still exist and people are purchasing them too. While Alienware disbanded the multi GPU setups for ? Leaving the market to them..
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Yes I can always get another machine. Looks like if you ever want to use anything more than a mid-tier 1060 you'll have to as wellSo much for your upgradable high performance machines that push the limits of gaming and technology. A 1060 upgrade! Amazing!
Those last two sentences were sarcasm btw, thought you should know that too.
In reality what's going to happen is Intel's Kaby Lake will be the last CPU you can upgrade to. And Nvidia / Clevo / MSI will **** you over again with a new redesigned MXM board for volta and beyond! Now it comes with extra salt!
But thank you for playing, I'm sure I'll see you back in this very same thread again. Perhaps next time you'll have a 1060! Can't wait to see those amazing LGA benchmarks with that "Enthusiast PC" of yours. <- Sarcasm btw.Last edited: Sep 1, 2016Caladdon likes this. -
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Are 90% of the users on here bellow the age of 16.?. Because that would make a lot of sense... One's IQ shouldn't decrease so much when reading through a forum thread.
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Just waiting for the new Alienwares, Wonder how they are going to keep up with the GSync and Gimptimus + AGA & The temps !! Then this thread and sleep permanently once and for all like the AW
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And hey I'm not the one who fell for the most obvious sarcasm in the world and then proceeded to write an insult in retaliation. He did.
And it sure seems like you guys have a totally different definition of civil compared to the rest of the world. Go around spamming your trash, insults people's intelligence, their purchases, what they expect from a laptop. TOTALLY CIVIL GUYS (<- sarcasm). Get made fun of? Wahh better cry about civility.
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Where are the new Alienwares?!?!!? This thread is terrible.
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I can smell a burn here...
Well I'm running a 1060 right now (With EC mod & 120Hz panel) and for a fraction of a cost @ $400 I have contacts that helped me out, Yeah It's mediocre trash that beats out a 980N, thanks to MXM!! Can't publish more, alpha stages...
Edit : It's not LGA, It's FPGA lol
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The only burn you're feeling is in your wallet when you realized that the extreme gaming computer you purchased is now relegated to mid tier. Even lower than the BGA laptops that you made fun of.
Ah yes "Only $400" So much did your original laptop cost? You know when you bought it brand new? Because you see, mine cost me $1800. Now when the 1080 laptops come out and I choose which one I want, it'll cost me about $2500-$2700. Making my total purchase cost $4500.
Or I could go for the 1070 and save $1000, making my total cost of two laptops. $3500 AND it will still be significantly more powerful than your 1060.How much did yours cost + upgrades?
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In the sig
Your own words. Especially the word with 5 letters!!
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Where are the new Alienwares?
Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jul 26, 2016.