[SOLVED] Asus G51J BSoD thread - part 2

Quick question, when Asus does publish this on their website, should we upgrade to that version or will be we OK keeping the version we have now from GentechPC? (For now.)

Thanks!

 

@ASUS Customer Care: Will there also be a new official BIOS for M60J?

 

Some not so great news at the moment. Don't worry, no BSOD, however the system froze entirely after 2hrs of CoD 4 MP running. I couldn't CTRL ALT DEL, I couldn't Alt F4, I couldn't change the screen brightness or keyboard lighting brightness using the Function keys, I couldn't do anything. I had to hard boot the system to get it to do anything. I'm going to try CoD 4 again and see what happens.

 

All credit goes to Asus and all G51J owners for testing and provide the results.

 

This is definately extremely encouraging that it seems to be fix!! Enjoy the machine now for all those out there who bought a powerhouse!! Good job to all the people who stuck with this and ran a million +1 tests to try and isolate the problem. You guys did much of the legwork on this and will go un-noticed unfortunately

 

Well I went and bought Borderlands this past weekend, got it installed last night and played for about 3 hours without an issue.

Only question I have is...is a temperature of 92C max ok for Borderlands? I'm using a Zalman NC2000 cooler, and I believe that temperature came somewhere in the beginning during the opening scenes because every time I checked it during gameplay I didn't see it above the mid 80's.

 

Testing my 6600gt in desktop with fan removed card runs fine for constant 106C+ 0 air movement in case
Wondering when it will burn out, doing it to see when material failure will happen, old pc deemed to be trash material anyway.

I would say anything under 100C is ok for 260m

ps.: I think this topic can be closed and starter post renamed as fix, or make a post and stick it on top with bios file.

 

Ins't anyone curious about what the problem was ?

@ASUS Customer Care: Can Asus tell us why were all our laptops BSODING

 

will do. can't lock or rename the thread though. BIOS was already there, just stripped the rest of the post.

i'm interested in this as well, but not expecting a solid answer (as much as it would help finding the cause to similar problems in the future).

 

Been running CoD 4 MP again since it froze roughly 5 hours ago, happy to report no freezing or other issues. Not sure what caused it... but a reboot seemed to clear up whatever it was.

 

hey guys

I have the same problem with my asus notebook. I get always bsods while im playing cod 6 multiplayer. Now i found your forum with this bios upgrade. I tried to install it but winflash doesn`t recognize it. I also tried it with the easy flash utility in bios but there were the same problem, I coudn`t find it in the menu. Can you help me please?

 

did you unzip the file into the folder that you downloaded it in?

 

I unziped it and then i have a file called G60J207.T10 But the normal bios files are .rom and not .T10. I don`t know how to handle it. I unziped it to my desktop and not in the same folder. winflash says that the file has not the right size...

 

I just flashed to 207.t10, use winflash, it's easy. Do it on a new boot and restart when it's done.

If the file isn't OK try redownloading. The file does have a .t10 extension.

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also, why were thalanix's 3dmark06 scores taken off the wiki? Is this BIOS also a fix for the power-draw-related differences in 3dmark06 scores?

I'm interested because no matter how much crap I connect to my g51j, and how high I turn everything up, I can't get performance to degrade in 3dm06 at all - 11600-11700 no matter what i turn on or off, up or down (CPU Ex turbo, GPU 590c/1500s/1050m). That was with the official 207 BIOS but is the same with 207.T10

Can however get the prime95+furmark throttle:


A bit confusing since there's a lot of other crap on the graphs, that's a 2000ms refresh btw so there's about 30mins of logs you're looking at there. Framerate log did not always show when Furmark was running, would stop reporting sometimes when Furmark 'lost focus'.

To explain:
- A was when Prime95 only was running. CPU @ 1733MHz.
- C was when Prime95+Furmark with GPU @ stock. CPU throttled @ 933MHz.
- B is interesting - Prime95+Furmark but with the GPU clocked really low (about 200c/500s/300m). CPU fluctuated between 933 and 1733MHz. Spent much more time at 933, prolly 80/20, but would periodically clock up to 1733 and stay there for up to a few seconds, then drop back down. I could clearly see it on Tmonitor64.

The question is, would a game or other program ever use the CPU and GPU as much as Prime95+Furmark does such that we get throttling. Otherwise, the flaw in the laptop is never going to affect us. That this 207.t10 BIOS appears to have fixed the BSODs makes me wonder BSODs had nothing to do with the throttling issues in the first place.

So it looks like Asses released a product with:
- inherent inability to supply all hardware with enough power to run simultaneously at full utilisation (prime95+furmark throttle)
- bugged BIOS (0x124 bsods)
- bugged drivers (creative, razer)
- silly fingerprint magnet reflective surfaces everywhere !!!
- edit 27/1: and a bugged version of Power4Gear (amnesia re changes to settings I made)

 

That actually sounds worse. At least with a BSOD Windows is able to throw that message up there.

 

hm didn`t work... win flash says the whole time that the size isn't correct...

 

Are you sure you're using the correct winflash utility? It can be downloaded here:
http://dlsvr.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/Apps/WinFlash/Winflash_WIN7_32_WIN7_64_V2290.zip

 

i moved it into a separate CPU throttling page, http://g51jbsod.wikia.com/wiki/CPU_throttling

judging by the screenshot, i'm guessing that you're on win7. i didn't get (noticeable) degradation on win7 either, only significantly worse performance in SM3 scores. on xp, however, with no keyboard lights or anything attached and running clocks of 588/1470/950 (mem refuses to go higher), i was able to get 12500+. put the system to use and it dropped to 9k, because of the throttling that cut SM2 in half (GPU-z screenshot 3).

i should add in that this was while burning a disc from an external drive. no problems running cod4 or mass effect 2 @ 570/1435/950 with full brightness and only the mouse plugged in.

heavily optimized games with CPU effects will. i don't know of any out today. me2 has the GPU going full speed @ 99% usage, i didn't have tmonitor or realtemp open to check throttling as it didin't seem there was any.

 

Question: why does my laptop shut itself down? I have it connected to A/C 24/7 since it's never left my desk since I got it. I've changed the power settings to never shut down, sleep or hibernate when connected to A/C, and yet when I leave it on while I'm at work it's shut off when I get home. There's no one home to shut it down and my cats, although they're awesome, wouldn't be able to press such a small button. It never did this in XP, any ideas?

 

Usually the only reason a computer will shut itself down without command is A) Virus or B) Overheating. Check your temps with HWMonitor or some other software out there to check temps with.

 

Or it could be the issue about 30 pages back that I and others had. If the laptop is connected to an external monitor with the lid closed, it will shut itself down. This only happened to us during gaming, but anything is possible. I like the idea that your cats are awesome better though. They were probably looking at Pr0n right before you got home and turned it off really fast.

 

It can't be a virus because it's a fresh install and I always install antivirus before the Lan drivers so I'm protected from the start. I also can't see it being overheating issue since it's completely open with nothing obstructing the vents and there are no programs running except MSN.

 

I forgot about the lid closure issue with this machine, Thanks for reminding me Even.

 

The lid is never closed and it's not connected to any monitor or tv.

 

Ok. Check for napkins and lotion near the laptop. Also, make sure you don't let your cats paw at you before you check their feeties out first.

 

Napkins and lotion?? Not near the laptop, desktop only.

 

LOLLLLLLLLL

 

^lol

have you checked to make sure windows' power profile isn't set to shut off after some time?

 

Unless I'm missing something, where do I change the Windows' power profile? If it's the same screen that shows both Battery and AC settings then everything is set to Never.

 

I had issues with power4gear not saving lid settings I'd made (e.g. I tried to stop it hibernating when I closed the lid but it would never save the changes), maybe its doing he same with the 'hibernate after' settings for you

Installing the latest version of p4g - 1.1.26 from the wiki not from asus download site - fixed that for me.

 

it could be windows updates that cause the automatic restart.

 

Wow. After downloading that Bios posted by Gentech, I've had NO BLUE SCREENS YET after DAYS of Cod MW:2 gaming!

Finally I can enjoy my notebook! 3 weeks ago I was crying since I thought my money had been wasted.

 

Is there any difference between the P4G 1.1.26 from the Wiki and from Asus website?

 

When you have issues saving settings with P4G open the advance settings, modify as you wish then, click ok, but don't click save on the main window, just close it.

 

Well now with 1.1.26 I can click whatever I damn like and it works as it should

The version on the asus download site when I last checked 3? days ago is what came preinstalled on mine, 1.1.22, which was just plain broken afaict.

 

Hi everybody.

Just to fill in that possible gap of information:
I originally posted because my G60J BSOD´d right on the first day of purchase while playing Call of Duty: World at War in single-player.
Afterwards, it did so within the first 5 minutes of playing everytime i tried to.
Had one BSOD also in Modern Warfare 1 (single-player) since then.

To cut it short: flashed BIOS with the new 207 (.T10) and played World at War yesterday for hours...without any issue!

Thumbs up for Gentech! I really originally felt like i might possibly have wasted s**loads of money for a gaming notebook that won´t "play"

 

Could we see a G51J tested using a 150W powerbrick with the new BIOS, to see if the throttling issue still happens?

I'd be more than happy to do it myself, as I need a spare powerbrick, but I've looked everywhere on google/ebay for an asus 150W but can't find one in oz for anything approaching a reasonable price ($100pp gtfo) or even a generic >150W. Any link to someone selling for reasonable international shipping would appreciated.

 

Ryzeki tried the 150w, still throttles

the 1.1.26 on the wiki links to asus, so unless there's another i'm not aware of, that's the one

 

That's probably i know too, the 1.1..26 was also official release by Asus.

 

Hi, i havent update my bios yet, im waiting for an official post on asus site, but is good read about it fix the issue whit MP gaming. But, it fix this issue when u connect an external monitor and play games?, in my case it happen when i turn off the laptop screen, and connect my LCD using hdmi and play CodMW2 and the computer turn off (it doenst restar, just turn off). I think its temperature problem, running a game like that and whit the case down it make more temp as using the case open, so when i play i use the open case (but setting video output as HDMI only, not HDMI+LCD whit Fn+f8 or f7).
But, when i play games on low resolution and on Windows(not full screen) it doenst happen too, i can play whit no problem whit the case off.
Any idea?

 

Well, it finally happened. I've been following this thread (and part 1) for about a month now (since researching and ordering my G51J). Got it about 3 weeks ago, worried about BSODs, but never got one. Was hoping to wait until bios 207.t10 came from Asus before updating, but went ahead yesterday since I got my first BSOD. Previously, I've been playing many, many hours of Borderlands at highest graphics settings (no multiplayer, only single). All worked great using either my external 52" LCD via HDMI or the built-in display. Upon receiving the laptop, I clean installed Win7 (x64 home prem.), left out all additional software (including P4G), installed all drivers except video from asus (no additional utilities, just drivers), and the 195.62 from nvidia. Thought maybe my minimalist install could account for the stability. The ONLY thing different yesterday was that before starting Borderlands, I started a large data transfer from an external USB HDD to the 2nd internal HDD (non system / non game install HDD). Got BSOD within 5 minutes of playing. Updated to bios 207.t10, restarted data transfer, and was able to play Borderlands again for a few hours. I know we suspect the bios to fix BSOD, but just thought I'd add my experience since the root cause is still TBD. Thanks to everyone's great effort in fixing this!!

 

The new test BIOS looks pretty good. After close to a week of use, I've only seen one BSOD, which is definitely an improvement. Oddly, the one BSOD occurred when the laptop was not stressed. I was developing an app using VS 2008 with a SQL Server 2008 back-end. I was just running the app in a test environment and Poof! BSOD! Unfortunately, I didn't have my system configured to halt and I was focused on some documentation, so I didn't catch the BSOD details before the restart.

 

Before i found out about this new bios i sent my laptop into asus they sent it back to me with the new bios 207.t10 before i was getting bsod on borderlands every 15mins and sometimes on eveonline but now i've been running it for hours both games on nothing soo far so maybe for now it looks fixed and this laptop i can be proud of again

 

Do you know if there will be an bios update for the m60j/pro62j?? There are the same bsods

 

BSOD free on G60J with BIOS G60J207.T10 from

http://g51jbsod.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Links_section

The computer withstood over 5 hours of COD MW2 multiplayer, which I used to only play an hour at a time to avoid BSODs. Of course, I still got them a few times a week. I haven't seen one yet.

The computer would also play COD4 multiplayer without BSODing. Before, it would happen about 5 minutes into EVERY game. The fact that this works again is very promising.

GPU idles at 58C. Note that I am using updated NVIDIA drivers, and under clock the GPU 10% (with the hopes of combating heat).

Fan seems to be more active. I think this BIOS takes a less silent approach which I am very happy about. This laptop is too demanding to be a true silent office computer.

Other notes:

- Both games were not installed on the primary partition.
-Computer seems to ride through sound stutters instead of getting trapped in them.
-Default windows high definition sound drivers installed.
- Default windows wireless driver installed.
-Power 4 Gear not installed.
-Windows 7 64 bit

 

I had been having problems with BSOD when i first start windows. It would show the starting windows log for Win 7 then the screen woul turn black like right before the login screen shows and thats when i get the BSOD and reboot. I updated the BIOS to 207.T10 but t is still happening. Is this related to this ongoing BSOD issue or could this be something different. It almost has a pattern where it does it every other time i turn the computer on. It was 0x0...124 BSOD

 

I don't own a G51J, I just borrow it frequently. It has the new 207 bios, but they didn't seem too make much of a difference. The bsod's are extremely inconsistent. One thing I can say is that the temp were horrifically high with the old bios, and now the gpu maxes at under 75 Celsius. I always prefer more/loader fan activity as opposed to more heat. Just turn up the sound lol. I still need to try different Nvidia drivers. I can't say the bsod's are fixed, but I am very impressed with the heat issue improvement.

Best of luck everyone, I'll post if I find anything new.

 

Are you using the bios posted by GenTech (207.t10)? That is the newest one. The 207 bios posted on the ASUS site did not fix the problem.

 

sounds more like a flat out hardware or driver problem. although it's the same bugcheck code, the issue at hand in this thread is inconsistent BSODs during fullscreen direct3d games.

try starting up in safe mode. if that works, grab the newest driver from nvidia ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook_winvista_win7_x64_195.62_whql.html). if not, consider using an ubuntu livecd to back up your stuff and restore windows.

 

While it is not 100% safe or recommended, the M60j uses the Intel PM55 motherboard (same as the G60j / G51j). Therefore the fix in this BIOS update should fix a similar gaming issue in the M60j.

Long story short, I ordered a G51j, and recieved a G60j. When I tried to update my BIOS, I used a G51j BIOS and got BSODs very very frequently (even at start up). When i moved to a G60j BIOS I only got BSOD's in certain 3D games.

However, this G60j BIOS update seems to fix both G60j and G51j's 3D game problems...

So just because they share the same chipset does not mean you can freely interchange BIOS's. I'd bet that ASUS will release an official version of this BIOS in the coming weeks if it is actually as stable as it appears to be.

That said, if you are a risk taker and you have a backup of your stock BIOS somewhere on your C: drive, give this updated one a whirl. Just don't get mad when you brick your fancy laptop.