[SOLVED] Asus G51J BSoD thread - part 2

G60J and G51J are the exact same machines, except the G51 ues a 15.6 inch screen instead of the 16 incher in the G60.

Same motherboard etc.

You need to have the same motherboard to actually use the same BIOS, otherwise it won't let you flash, and if you force it, you can brick your system.

 

? is this a during-load readout? if that is a bona-fide 100% load temp, something is wrong with your GPU, or with the rest of ours. (Why I say during-load is important to get a readout - temps drop pretty quickly after you alt-tab, after the 10 seconds it may take to open whatever program it may have dropped from 90C to 75C.)

Mine fluctuates between 92-94 during Borderlands, highest I've seen is 96 during Furmark. Fan noise I haven't noticed a change. This has been the same on 204, 207 and 207.t10 BIOSes for me. Re the noise, 1 word: headphones

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On a separate note, noticed some things about the Furmark+Prime95 throttling: if you restrict prime95 to 4 thread and set affinity for cores 0/2/4/6 [ie disable hyperthreading], throttling is up and down, about 2-secs-on-2-secs-off cycle. Set it to 3 thread affinity 0/2/4, no throttling at all. So should a program/game ever cause the issue, a fix is to set affinity in task mangler to turn off hyperthreading and if that doesnt work then to set it to only run on 3 cores not 4.

Also my CPU never turbos up to its max when prime95'ing on 1 or 2 cores: on 1 core it hovers between approx 2.53 & 2.66 GHz, on 2 cores between 2.13 & 2.26GHz, TMonitor in both cases in my estimation showing 50/50 between the two speeds in each case. Theoretical maxes should be 2.8GHz 1core and 2.4GHz 2core. THIS IS WITHOUT FURMARK RUNNING.

edit: I just tried again, turned Furmark on, and it started throttling even when Prime95 was 1 thread affinity 0 !!!!!! This laptop sure dislikes being tortured! ! [yes I know Furmark is set to use Core 0 only but switching affinity didnt change this]

So really if my 720 is representative it's more like a 2.6/2.2/1.7GHz for 1/2/4 core use compared with the advertised/theoretical 2.8/2.4/1.7GHz... let alone with GPU being tortured as well...

 

Bennyg, those temps I was talking about were max temps, not current one's. I'm aware that once I exit a game temps will go down quickly. 204 bios reached 94 Celsius in COD4 and 207 reached 75 Celsius. The monitoring was done with the latest hwmoniter.

Edit: I always leave hwmonitor open and minimized whenever I game. I prefer it to other programs just because it saves the max tempertures.

Also, I drilled out the fake air vent. Just take off the main back panel and drill a million small holes in it. I know it does something (although still not enough yet) because it feels like a vacuum when you put your hand near the makeshift intake.

 

isnt that fake air intake an air filter? If it is...is it a bad thing to allow so much dust and dirt to flow in?

 

Not in the least. It is two thick layers of plastic with another metal layer. Dust gets in anything no matter what, just clean it. I'm not sure if they have different back panels shipping, so I can only speak for this one.

 

Excuse Me!
What's password used for "Winflash security check" while upgrading bios to 207 ?

 

Sirhcz0r, pls do not misinterpret my incredulity as somehow me considering you are misinformed or misinterpreting your claims.

It's just I cannot believe a simple airflow mod and/or BIOS has so drastically altered your GPU's load temps. Especially since both BIOS updates did absolutely nothing for mine.

Have you verified that hwmonitor's not wrong by confirming with some other temp monitoring programs like rivatuner and gpu-z? And basic stuff like that your GPU is clocking up to default clocks under 100% load?

I would think all G51J owners would be very interested in something that reduces heat - a big problem in this model - by that much!!

 

Out of curiosity, if anyone has a nice fan to put it on, try taking the stupid back panel off and check temps without using the usb fan/cooler. That would tell us roughly how much difference modding the back panel could do.

The modification was done pre 207 bios. So it alone can't make this huge difference. The only hardware that was changed was a dead Seagate that was swapped out for a new drive.

One minor consideration is that the hot temperatures did coincide with slightly higher ambient temperatures, but I don't think this means much.

In case hwmonitor is giving me totally wrong temperatures, I'll get Everest next time I borrow the computer.

The last variable is what levels I'm playing and whether it's in 720p or 1080p. I'll use Everest and hwmonitor simultaneously while running at 1080p on a large, complex level to confirm that the heat issue is remedied to any extent.

Edit: @bennyg: No hard feelings. I know that if your bios update didn't yield these results that this must look crazy. I was quite surprised myself, but you are correct to say that it needs to be investigated further. I'll post the results whenever all this is done.

 

Ur BIOS password man, same as u set up on bios.

 

..or flash the bios from the "advanced" tab in the Bios menu (f2 at start up). Flashing from windows is less reliable and more confusing.

Reporting in, no BSOD at all still after a lot more MW2 and COD4 multiplayer. I've been able to install the drivers which before gave me problems (realtek audio drivers + creative EAX). Computer does not run noticeably hotter.

Looks like Gentech fixed all our problems! I wonder when they will officially release this one...

 

Hey, i am new in this forum, but i have read all the things what you all have written about BSOD. I have also owned the notebook "Asus G51J". Excuse me for asking again, but is this problem really fixed now with Gentechs Bios update???

Thank you for asking my question.

 

Don't know about that, exactly (the fix is from Asus). However, GenTech deserves HUGE kudos for using their muscle as a reseller to push for a fix. I'm sure Asus pays a lot more attention to an issue when one of their resellers essentially says "I can't keep passing your crap on to my customer; you need to fix this." That shows a commitment to the customer which is exemplary.

I didn't know about GenTech when I bought my G51J, but the level of care and support they've shown for their customers (and even those who aren't!) will definitely have me shopping from them in the future.

 

It's hard to prove a negative but yes, it seems the 207+ BIOS from (ASUS via) GenTech fixed the systemic BSOD issue; people may still have issues with their individual machines or software but as a problem model-wide it appears to be over.

 

What he said! I pre-ordered my G73 from GenTech for this reason.

 

Yes, the BSOD issue appears greatly lessened. Since applying the new BIOS, I've only seen one BSOD during the last week +.

Now if Asus would address the throttling issue.

 

Really? I haven't had the 0x124 BSOD at all since the update!

 

Same here, not even one !

 

I guess I jinxed myself. I just had my second BSOD since the 207.T10 BIOS update. This one generated a STOP 0x000000F4 error.

Any suggestions?

By the way, my laptop works hard - powered up at least 12 hours a day. It performs a variety of tasks: development environment, test database server, test web server, and of course, game machine. Both my BSODs occurred while running Visual Studio 2008. I'm not sure why that would be a factor, but I thought I'd note that.

 

not related to the 0x124 stops from gaming.

lots of CoD4, and still nothing here.

 

8 hours lan party playing COD 4 this last Saturday no Blue Screens.

 

thanks to you all for asking my question...and special thanks to all who worked hard for fixeing this problem...i get my Asus G51J tomorrow and then i will see...i hope it works...

 

Hey guys, good news..no bluescreen after 2 weeks!

Also, I had a little off-topic noob question about my Asus G51J.

It has 4 Hard Disk Drives.

OS: C (74.5GB)
Local Disk: D (149GB)
DATA: E (204GB)
Local Disk: F (149GB)

All of my files are in OS:C as in the stuff I download, and it only has 3GB left.

Local Disk has my WindowsImageBackup (so 75% of it is full)

DATA: E and Local Disk: F are completely empty.

I can't install a new game because it says my hard disk doesn't have enough space (OS:C). So is there a way I can download onto my other drives? I have no idea how to use a comp that has more than one Hard Disk Drive!

If anyone can answer this then it'll be great! Please send me a Private Message.

Thank you.

 

Yeah when you install stuff, when it says something like installation location..change C:\Insert Folder name here to X:\Insert Folder name here (X being the other drives you have..so anything D,E,F)

 

Andy,

You probably want to do what most of us did... Nuke all the partitions and reload from scratch! That way you only have one partition per drive. Less confusion, and less headaches later on.

 

"Nuke" might sound a little scary, but Win7 comes with a handy dandy Disk Maintenance tool which will allow you to delete the empty partitions and add that space back to your C: drive, which keeps things simple. Look in Windows Help for instructions.

 

hey guys, I just had BSoD while streaming a video online from imdb, the stop code is:
0x0000007F

any ideas on the reason behind this??

 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137539

it's really not that hard to google...

 

but i am not overclocking the cpu, and i also don't have this message:" (UNEXPECTED_KERNEL_MODE_TRAP)"

does anyone have any idea on how to solve this??

 

Does anybody know if there will be a fix for the M60J notebook?

Because, I'm also experiencing this problem, but since my motherboard is different to the G51/G60 I can't use the Gentech BIOS update. So I'm just asking, will there be a BIOS update for the M60J/X62J?

 

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=pAWDOlwZMb508qWy

The M60J notebook HAS the same motherboard as the G60/G51.

That would be the Intel PM55 chipset.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this BIOS update should work on an M60J.

NB: I COULD BE WRONG.

 

No the BIOS is for G51J and G60J only, it will not work for M60J because the different vBIOS, this is what gonna happen if you flash the wrong BIOS:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=348865

 

I did that and in Disk Management I deleted E and F.

I now have C and D (first is Disk 1 with free space on side and D is Disk 2 with unallocated space).

I extended volume for D: which is now 298GB (D & F merged)

However, I can't extend my C drive which is my OS drive. Under Disk 1, it also shows 204 GB Free space that I can't add to C: and I can't use the free space unless I open a new partition for it I guess. This is ty.

I also don't have a Windows 7 disk, it was pre-installed on my Asus G51J, so that's out of the question.

I guess theres no other way to just have 1 disk or at least extend C?

 

Now you have unallocated space that can be added to C: and D:.

 

bolded for clarity. kernel-mode simply means it's started by the system and not the user, which is just about everything in device manager and your loaded services (loadord) with the exception of maybe a removable drive (which might fall under USB and kernel still).

theres a chance it could be hardware per the article, so it's worth trying another system or restoring if updating drivers doesn't work.

 

alright then, i'll see how things go after updating the drivers, i really hope it's not a hardware problem since the laptop is still new.
anyways, thanks man for the help

 

Hello guys!
I have a problem with windows 7 and wanna install windows xp os in G51j. I already inserted sata drivers to WinXP setup disk but i couldnt find in bios menu ide configuration. So that is the reason the setup's freezed after loaded drivers? I really confused about it.
Anyone have an idea for this problem? Plz...

 

wrong thread. this is supposed to be about the BSOD problem and not general g51j troubleshooting.

by adding the sata drivers you remove the need to have an ide-compatibility mode. make sure you added the right one. might be more of a headache than it's worth.

memtest is a good idea as well.

 

So I'm assuming there won't be any fixes available for this notebook?

 

Two days ago I reported this BSOD with M60J to Ken with some links to different threads where it has been discussed that M60J has the same problem like G51J and G60J.
It seems non of the users of M60J tried to report the problem to Ken before.

Yesterday, Ken has forwarded this information onto ASUS.
Ken told me that they will investigate it.

So thanks to Ken and Gentech again. They are the best at helping people even if they are not the custumers.

I think soon there would be a solution similar to the G51J for the M60J/X62J users also.

Note: I have no M60J until now, but I am still very much interested in buying it. That's why I did a lot of research on this model and I came across this BSOD problem that exists in all G51J, G60J and M60J.

 

Did you get the recovery discs that asus gave with it. The recovery disc is able to reinstall windows and you can select an option there to get rid of the partitions (extend all drives to c or something I believe). At the end of the install you may get to a point that it searches for a recovery file. At this point it is safe to restart and go on with the installation.

 

Hello fellow Asus G51J owners. I have a few questions on the BSODing of this model. I haven't updated it yet to the new bios

1. How do i update a bios?????? I have downloaded the one from GenTech and dont know how to install it. I was looking around the forums and saw something about Winflash and an update utility in the bios itself when accessing from startup. I have no idea how to use these or which one to use.

2. P4G Hybrid update - I understand that the core i7 has a turbo function that it regulates on its own. Now i was looking around the forums and saw several mentions of an "extreme turbo mode". Is this part of the processor, meaning controlled by the processor, or controlled by the updated P4G as an overclock method (i haven't updated my P4G yet and have never seen "extreme turbo mode" only high performance mode)

PS - I have never updated a bios before so some easy to follow instructions would be greatly appreciated .

Thank you for you time,
AMK8789

 

Thanks for the update. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for any news!

 

For someone who has never done it b4 I think Winflash may be easier. Basically go to your saved download of the BIOS file and right click on it; choose Expand. Note this location. Now close all other applications and find Winflash in the Windows Start menu; start Winflash. It will ask that you point to the expanded BIOS file, do that (select it) and Winflash will start the BIOS update. Do NOT interrupt the update, unplug the computer, etc. For maybe 90 seconds nothing will seem to happen then everything will jump to 100% complete and the machine will restart. You're done!

 

I will personally never use Winflash. It is too risky.
You can look around in the forums and you will see there are too many chances of things going wrong.

I think the best way is to use EasyFlash utility which is found in the bios menu.

Here is a very detailed guide on how to flash ASUS notebook bios written by E.B.E:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=174395

 

Thank you both for the instructions.

 

Hi.

Does the G51j-3D has this BSOD issue?

I tried searching for g51j-3d in this thread but no luck.

Thank you in advance. =)

 

Hello Folks.

I am a new owner of a G51J.

I will add my experiences to this thread as I try to sort through it trying to find a work a round for the issues I am having.

I have made NO modifications to the Bios, overclocking, etc.

I Am experiencing the BSoD on various games.

Borderlands, once or twice in 2 weeks time.

Prototype - CONSTANTLY

Demigod, once in 1 week

Fallout 3 Constantly.


I have not seen anyone bring this other issue up yet, but my laptop freezes solid if I try to use Vent.

Anyhow, I thought I would post in here to add my experience and will start reading through the threads, though it seems switching to XP is the only real fix....



John

 

Uninstall all the Creative software and see if that fixes your vent problem.

No need to go to XP. Just download the BIOS that gentech provided for us...I think the link is in post 340 of this thread. That BIOS fixed all the BSOD problems for everyone in games.


Edit: Here's the post

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5754189&postcount=340

 

i have it quoted in the first post, the two googled posts, and on the wiki.

 

Hi John

Actually - update to the latest Bios. That should fix your issues.

If you need a link, send me a PM.

Certainly fixed all my BSOD issues!

Cheers