[SOLVED] Asus G51J BSoD thread - part 2

any news from Ken or Gentech about the M60J/X62J notebooks? sorry if i seem impatient; it's just very frustrating with BSODs.....

 

Well the g51j has the same motherboard as the g60j same bios's the fix is the new bios 207.t10 which is not the one on the asus website a few people have posted the links to it on here worked for me and i was haveing bsod on borderlands like a mofo and on eve online now i can play till my hand burns on the palm rest from the gpu heat and no bsod's

 

oh snap didn't see you said m60j then ha i don't have an idea my bad.........

 

Already request the BIOS update, please give them sometimes to investigate the problem to find the solution.

 

Well now that it seems the 124 BSOD is nuked... next... throttling

I've added my observations to the wikia page - http://g51jbsod.wikia.com/wiki/CPU_throttling

I realised a looooong ago it's just not worth getting annoyed at people who ask before googling, it's like the hydra, for every n00b who cops a spray two more pop up in their place...

 

Thanks GT, I'll keep my eye open for any updates. IT's just sooo irritating to play MW2... get a nuke or chopper gunner... then BAM BSOD. >.<

 

Hi, I have been having the same BSoD problems that have plagued the rest of you. I have the Asus G51J-A1 and Steam, EQ2, Borderlands, and others are crashing my PC. There has been one ray of sunshine, Mass Effect 2. I have been running this game non-stop since relase with only 1 or 2 BSoD. I am late to the party and there are too many posts for me to read atm. I do not know if this help but what are they doing right in <E@ that allows it to work?

 

all it takes is to read one at the beginning.

 

isnt it amazing people just jump right in and say ive got a problem thats been solved now for like 3 weeks... instead of reading the OP... usually thats were the answers are found to 99% of all questions!!

 

Hi everyone !
I have read some page of the topic, (not all tbh) and I'm wondering if the BIOS update works with the M60J ?..

Thanks for your answers, and thanks GenTech for having saved every owner of G51 ;p

[edit] Nvm, just got my answer @ page 59 ;p [/edit]

 

Any ideas why ASUS hasn't posted this BIOS yet? Makes me wary...

 

i'm hoping it's to increase the throttle limit (or remove it), but realistically they probably just don't care. they have their money and this model had/has more mission-critical problems than i've seen in hardware before.

 

I really hope ASUS doesn't completely forget this notebook now that the new models are out. BTW I'm confused by this throttling issue (I'm not very good with computers lol)...does it mean that it can't go into Turbo Mode (2.8GHz) when I'm pushing it? What frequency does it idle at and when it's pushed? Thank you.

 

They probably will. IMO it's not technically an Asus notebook anyways since they didn't make the hardware, they just try to write stable enough drivers, once they're out for everything they'll move on, and make doubly sure the G73JH and G51JX don't have the same issues...

Re throttling: The CPU works as intended on its own.
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TURBOBOOST
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is the i7 technology - it's in desktop nehalems as well but nowhere near the extent in laptop i7s - whereby cores in the CPU are clocked up in 133MHz "speed bins" when other cores aren't fully in use.
(Desktop nehalems and lynnfields only clock up a few speed bins but the laptop i7s can go up to 10 bins above rated speed)

e.g. for old & sloppily/unoptimised programs that only use 1 core (*cough*X3&X3:TC*cough*SC:FA*cough*) that ran like crap on quadcores like the Q9000 - effectively a 2.0GHz core for those programs. i7 mobile CPUs use TurboBoost to negate this.

So theoretically, one core being used 100% will mean the CPU up-clocks the core in use by the maximum number of speed bins (9) from 1.6GHz to (1600+9x133=2800MHz) 2.8GHz. In reality, in all the testing I've done on mine, TMonitor64 shows it sitting on 7 or 8 speed bins (2.53GHz/2.66GHz) and switching all the time. It's hard to see what's really going on because these CPUs are really complex beasts compared with the past, all this load/frequency management is done internally by the CPU rather than by OS and happens many many times per second, so is nigh on impossible to observe or log completely. (edit: something I've also noticed is sometimes when running a 1-core load e.g. 1-thread Prime95, it shows up evenly spread across all 4 cores, as though the CPU balances load across the cores - very smarty pants stuff going on here with the shared L3 cache but it's way over my nerd level i think)

Two cores: theoretically 6 bins above stock (1600+6x133=2400) is 2.4GHz for a "dual core load" but again mine sits on 4-5 bins (2.13/2.26GHz).

Three and four cores: theoretically only 1 speed bin is added for a max of 1.733GHz, which pretty much happens all the time.

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NOTE this is separate to the power4gear overclocking - "Turbo" and "Extreme Turbo" which are simple old-style FSB increases. "Extreme Turbo" increases the FSB to about 140MHz which ends up basically meaning my CPU works at 980MHz idle, 2.8GHz one-core, 2.4GHz two-core, 1.7GHz three&four-core (and does so without issue, so why Turboboost doesn't clock up to those speeds on its own makes me point fingers again at the CPU self-management routines)

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THROTTLING
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is where the CPU speed is cut to 933MHz **when both the CPU and GPU are being stressed 100%** - using synthetic benchmarks. We theorise this is because the laptop's hardware can't supply enough power.

Due to the nature of how games use CPU and GPU together (basically one frame is rendered at a time, doesn't matter whether CPU or GPU finishes first it has to wait for the other before proceeding to the next) it's highly unlikely a game wil ever use 100% CPU and 100% GPU in the way simultaneous Furmark and Prime95 do, but the possibility is there.

But despite all the talk of throttling I've been nothing but blown away by the speed of the thing in all aspects, I upgraded from a 5400rpm HDD and 2.5GHz Core2Duo to this SSD + i7 and it's as quantum a leap as a 1.4Ghz Celeron M with 512Mb DDR was to a 2.0GHz Core2Duo 2Gb DDR2.

 

games probably not for a while (at least not until it's time to upgrade), but applications like Dolphin (Wii emulator) rely heavily on graphics for 4xSSAA (85-90% GPU in SSB Brawl on asus clocks) AND max out 2 cores @ 2.4GHz with turbo boost. this gets the CPU cycling between .9 and 2.4 or at .9 altogether, going from a steady 60 frames (100%) to 30. in timing-sensitive games like SF4 and TvsC, these drops make them unplayable.

 

I´m about to buy a ASUS G51J. The full model name is ASUS G51J IX094V.

Since it's a new model, I shouldn't get this particular BSOD problem on that?

 

Haha, thanks for reminding me, years ago I said to myself I was gonna dl Dolphin & play the new (lol) SSB games when I had the powa to run em. Actually the first game I played on my g51j was SSB on Project64

fwiw I will post in the CPU throttling thread from now on since I've actually searched and found it ;p

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=452784

 

i haven't been able to reproduce the throttling with the recent changes to their SSAA, probably with additional power consumption it might work.

if you have multiple real wiimotes, get mamario's builds. even though both his and orelans' have a second-controller latency bug, on those you can connect #1 on the push-A screen then the rest in the main menu/character select (save importing also works from wii-save). looks beautiful at 1080p/2xSSAA. still not enough power to run EFB->RAM, but there don't seem to be any dynamic effects making ->texture work just as well. the DX9 plugin no longer looks worse than openGL.

all that's left now is to implement AR master codes for brawl+ to work

 

Well, as sad as it is to say... I am retiring my post as a happy member of the G51J family. It is getting boxed up today to be sent out to a new happy owner. I wish you guys the best of luck with this awesome machine. I enjoyed it a lot while I had it. My very first gaming laptop ever. See ya on the flip!

 

Just skip it and get a G51jx or the upcoming G60j or whatever it's called which appears to be similar but with a lower resolution screen.

 

Whats wrong with this model then?

 

The BSOD issues. With that updated beta BIOS they're supposed to be fixed, but it's not even up on Asus' site, and it just makes sense to skip to a newer revision that may be fixed better.

 

So the new G51J has BSOD problem still? It seems a bit odd, but what you are saying makes sense.

The question is if one can be sure that the G51X doesn´t come with similiar problems.

 

So far no one has reported any issues with the G51jx.

 

And nobody has reported a BSOD during gaming while on the G51J-A1 since the new BIOS.

 

The problem to run Dolphin fluently is only the CPU?

I was thinking to buy the G73JH and I was wondering how the 720qm works on the PCX2 and on the Dolphin...

 

and i don't think anybody's played the affected games long enough on the g51vx to be sure
if it has that issue, then this will probably be the last asus i buy...

yes, the emulation and texture core depends on raw CPU clocks. the graphics are only there to make it look significantly better.
from the games i have, ssb brawl plays @ 1080p/2xSSAA, mario kart plays at 1080p/2xSSAA (lots of slowdowns while loading textures at the beginning of a race, an openCL build should quicken things up i think), NSMB plays at 1080p/2xSSAA, galaxies looks like it will play well but i never got out the candles to try and get past the intro, haven't tried metroid prime 1/3 either but i wouldn't hold my hopes up as it just barely runs on my desktop.

next up, drilling holes in the bezel and connecting 2 IR LEDs to the light's power

 

Is this thing legal? Could I be playing my Wii games in HD instead? :-D Super Mario Galaxy already actually looks good in SD, so....

 

If you own the games and the console...

 

fyi, i had two bsod's on my g51jx. One in cod:waw and the other in windows.

running stock drivers, 187.66. everything else stock as well.

 

Would I get that BIOS or something with a similiar fix if I buy a ASUS G51J IX094V?

 

the console is only there to speed up the ripping . +-20 mins for a single layer dump to SDHC, 7 to copy to HDD. it's by no means perfect - EFB->texture means no dynamic layer effects in MP, the coins don't rotate in NSMB, doesn't look like any change in SSBB or MKRT - but little things like that dont compare to having the game look many times better..

if it has a G60J motherboard, then the 207.t10 bios should work without a problem.

whaaat?! check event viewer (start -> run -> eventvwr) and search for "bugcheck" under system or something. that should be the quickest way to find out. if it's the 0x124, then asus has just lost any future purchases and recommendations...

 

It is indeed a 0x124

 

I wouldn't say this is solved, the blue screens are just less frequent now. The G51J I sometimes use does get blue screens in the same games it did before the bios update.

 

g51jx owners have my sympthy if this is model-wide... post it in the jx thread as well. you're welcome to use the wiki, although it seems we had everything covered.

someone make a thread for dolphin before the mods rain down on us.

 

0x124/PCI-E? (has a 0x02 for the second code). i haven't had a single one since. +a reminder that the 207 on asus is not the 207.t10 on gentech.

edit before people try something stupid like x-flashing:

root@retribution:/media/DataI# md5sum G60*
91c38e2b054ac241baebd049865794cc G60JAS.204
5043f0f57bb87af1be19d44d4cd9cd3b G60JXAS.204

the CRC and MD5 for G51J and G51Jx BIOS' DON'T MATCH. do NOT flash a jx with a j BIOS and vice-versa.

 

Quite possibly not though, given the DMCA I assume you'd have to be violating. Too bad. Oh well :-/ Stuck with SD Wii for me

 

I was more wondering if they are shipping this new model with a fix. For the money that it costs, I would prefer a model were I don´t have to apply a BIOS fix the first thing I do.

 

when will an official update of the bios on asus site?? any1 know??

 

from 2002, but "if you owned a game and had someone else back it up and you kept your orignal then it is completely legal according to US title 17 section 117 of the copyright law. (same as making a compliation cd of mp3's you already own)"
http://www.cdrom-guide.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-160994.html

no DMCA outside the US.

seeing as how they discontinued production before the updated BIOS, odds say that you will have to update yourself.

that would be a question for asus.

 

I got the impression that the model I listed was an uppdated one.

 

the G51J has been superseded by the G51Jx.

 

No DMCA (the most ironic name for a piece of legislation since the PATRIOT act imo) in Oz but recent changes to our Copyright Act allow for "format-shifting" but you cant circumvent "technological protection measures" (famous case here about Sony Playstation modchipping) which may be present on the game CD/DVD/cartridge/whatever.

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Wow, bummer that Asus are pushing a replacement that has this same issue... seems they ditched the 2nd hdd bay, put in a weaker (yet more efficient) video card, added 2 RAM slots and kept the BSOD issue in the BIOS...

Seriously bad QC seeing as we've had a fix for a few weeks now.

 

There is a new BIOS out on the ASUS Support Site for G60J (but not G51J): 208. Its description is "Firmware change"...is this the official version of 207.T10?

 

It is not the same. The MD5 sums are different:

Code:

11fef708d948e951fcc98ec299e32a9e  G60JAS.208
35de9d8275dcb6b2b3e9a43cdd27e840  G60JAS.207.T10

It's not showing up for me. Here's a direct link:
http://dlsvr.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G60JAS208.zip
or
http://dlsvr04.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G60JAS208.zip

Edit: The date is Jan 20 2010, a day after Ken from GenTech posted 207.T10. EC and VBIOS versions haven't changed.

I flashed it, but I cannot test if there is a BSOD because I don't run windows anymore since Steam crapped out on me a few weeks back.

 

Hi there!

I got a G60J and it has(had) the same annoying BSOD issues the G51 has(had).
I can´t tell anything on the new "official" BIOS 208 though.
I updated the BIOS with the 207.t10 version linked in this thread and never had any BSOD issues ever since!

Cheers

 

wb groceries. you forgot to test throttling

 

Weird, it doesn't show up for me if you go into the G60J downloads page normally - it only shows up for me in the list if I click the "download" link on my RSS feed (which is how I saw it in the first place).

 

LOL thx. Yea it still throttles. When I'm stressing the GPU it's squealing a bit now. Not sure if it's related to the BIOS update. Sounds terrible tho.

Edit: If I start another instance of a GPU intensive app the coil whine will stop. So maybe it's some sort of sympathetic vibration or something. It's painful to listen to though.

 

Seeing as I got PMmed I thought the response might as well go here

Not true, if you look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units the stock GTX260M has higher theoretical GFLOPS, 462 vs 413

Take off 10% because asus underclock it, it's about a tie. However theoretical != real world and in reality theoretical GFLOPs is a poor predictor of performance because architecture is not considered.

In a nutshell because the gts360m is lacking in other areas vs the gtx260m, it loses out (stock g51j ~10000 3dm06, gts360m ~9500 but I can't for the life of me remember where that came from...)

GTX260m has:
* 56 TMUs
* 16 ROPs
* 112 SPs (shaders)

GTS360m has:
* 32 TMUs
* 8 ROPs (these do a lot in AA so the 360m is quite slower there, ~20-30% I've seen claimed)
* 96 shaders - clocked so the total shader power is approx equivalent to that of the underclocked gtx260 (they need to be 1600MHz to equal stock gtx260m)
* GDDR5's doubled fetch width is totally cancelled by the halved BUS width though. i.e. 1600MHz 128bit GDDR5 = 800MHz 256bit GDDR3.

Basically NVidia "economised" (went cheap) on a few areas in the GT215 (GTS) cores which mean it is a lot more efficient but in terms of raw power is slower. As opposed to the GTX260M which is basically a reject 280M - rejected either because it couldn't handle the 585/1463/950 speeds, or a handful of the SPs were defective (or maybe it's a perfectly good GTX280M that nvidia had to call a 260 because Asus have sold so many damn G series lappys...)

TBH I don't care one way or the other, it plays games reeeeal good and the 2hr battery life doesn't annoy me too much since I was used to it (old laptop on ~50% battery wear lasts 2hrs)