[SOLVED] Asus G51J BSoD thread - part 2

If tomorrow allows me to, I will perform tests for the throttling issue with my 150w PSU.

It really is not much of a problem, or at least I haven't noticed it much, if at all. Power 4Gear on turbo mode having less performance is because it forces the CPU to work on quad core only, so any application that uses less than 4 cores will run slower, as they cannot use the i7 turbo boost to OC the remaining cores.

Generally: Keep it disabled unless you use a heavily threaded app. Some games like Left 4 Dead 2 run better on single core, at least for me...

 

I always have my "Power4Gear" on high performance mode and have never had any issues in games. Is there something else you guys are setting it to?

 

as i said earlier, when using Entertainment Mode, you get from 3-7 FPS higher than at High performance, it's rather strange isn't it?

 

That is bizarre! But what Ryzecki says makes sense. If you force it into 4 cores at a lower clock speed, you probably cripple games that depend on 1 or 2 cores running faster.

 

Keeping an eye on this thread. If the bsod is really fixed I'll buy this rather than the g73. I'd rather have the 15" over the 17". So if it IS fixed would you guys recommend this model? Has anyone noticed a change in the battery life?

 

I'd definitely recommend this model if this new BIOS fixes all the BSOD issues (which so far it's looking like it has...nobody has posted that it hasn't yet). I haven't had a BSOD yet, but all I play is WoW and personally I've been quite happy with it aside from a couple issues that only relate to hibernate or sleep.

Only problem for those that want to buy this model....it's discontinued now and the replacement is the G51JX which is actually a downgrade in mine and many other's opinions.

 

I maybe mistaken but the purpose of extreme turbo or whatever is to make single thread or 2 thread programs work fast. Turbo is supposed to be able to overclock a single core or 2 to a much higher rate while keeping the other 2 or 3 cores at an ideal speed. That is what i remember. The point is to reduce power to other cores to make a single core operate at a very high frequency so that a single thread program can operate quickly. This is how the i7 can keep up with or beat high frequency core 2 due. Sorry i am bad at explaining but i am almost positive what your saying is wrong.

 

One question for those of you who have gone ahead with flashing to this new BIOS....

Has anyone done it with the winflash utility that comes on the laptop? Or is everyone doing it directly through the BIOS with a flash drive? Reason I'm asking is because I really only feel comfortable flashing the BIOS via the winflash utility because it's basically automatic and does everything for you. That and I don't currently have a flash drive with me.

I'm out of town for business right now and will be for the next 2-3 weeks...and it would seriously make me cry like a little baby if I were to brick my laptop because winflash didn't do it properly, and I don't have my old laptop to tide me over while I were to send this in for RMA.

 

You are mixing Turbo boost from the Core i7 processor with Turbo capability of Power4Gear.

The Core i7 does have the capacity to run 1, 2, 3 or 4 cores at various speeds. The less cores, the higher clockspeed it can go up to. This is its normal operation capability.

However when you enable Turbo on P4G you overclock the CPU and lock it to four cores. This is to improve heavily threaded apps in which the quad core nature of the Core i7 shines. The problem is that it locks the CPU in place. So disabling it and just using the natural Turbo boost from Core i7 helps more than using the Turbo feature on P4G.

I could be wrong, though that is what I saw using CPU z, and testing single thread things vs multiple thread things with turbo on P4G.

 

I flashed with winflash without issues. It takes a bit of time and the computer might seem as it freezes but let it work. It takes about 3 mins.

 

Ok cool...thanks a bunch for letting me know.

 

You are welcome. To be honest I tend to like winflash too heh.

 

Oh no they discontinued this model? Maybe they'll continue production if the problem is indeed fixed.

 

They won't since the JX is going to replace the J

 

Me too. The progress bars Erase Flash and Reprogram Flash did nothing for maybe 90 seconds or more, then BOTH jumped to 100% and it did the error check and finished just fine. Let it run.

 

Hey guys... looking for a little advice here. Thinking about getting the G51Vx-x3a as the G51j is a bit too expensive for me. Currently, the x3a has a P8700 and of course the same GTX 260m as the G51j, but a refresh is expected with it along with the Jx. The G51Vx is expected to have an i5 in stead of the more powerful i7 in the Jx, and will also have the GTS 360m

I'm just wondering if I should hold out for the G51Vx-x3a refresh to get the better processor and hopefully cooler running (although less powerful) GPU. I need this laptop to last me for 3-4 years and I don't want heat issues with the GPU kill it before its time for me to retire it.

Any suggestions?

 

I'm pretty sure GTS 360m will run cooler than GTX 260m. You should wait for Asus G51Jx-a1 benchmarks and see if you can overclock it to stock GTX 260m clocks.
and If the refresh is going to be nearly a same price as the g51vx-x3a right now then definitely go for the refresh, newer technology is always better.

 

first off lets keep this on topic and yes hold out for the i5. The core 2s are no where near as fast and you are basically buying dead technology ^^

 

Wow thanks for the quick responses guys, this makes holding out for the refresh a lot easier. And actually, even though I'm probably in the minority here, I'll happily take the performance hit in the graphics department for a cooler running GPU.

Good to hear about the big step up from the core 2 as well, I didn't realize it was that much of a difference. Anything is better than my current 4 year old Pentium M though haha.

Glad to hear you're getting over your BSoD problems too G51j owners.

 

Hey guys I got an Asus G51J which has been having blue screen problems.

I just downloaded the latest bios by reading GenTech's post the 207.T10

I ran it using WinFlash.

I'll report back after playing some CoD MW 2, hopefully I don't get the blue screen again!

 

So far so good.

 

I have been following the whole thread since it started and was worried. I installed the firmware from gentech, I play mostly Dragon Age Origins and had several blue screens, some times after 10 minutes sometimes after some hours.
Since yesterday morning 10Am european time I have been playing DAO and have not yet had a BSOD. I leave also the computer on at night.
This is for all your information.
Hope it stays like this.

 

Well, I just left Borderlands on a LAN game durning the night for 7 hours. I woke up and the game was still running fine!

I say the BSOD got fixed

 

I think the bsod did get fixed as well. From what i have seen that is. I played a 5 hour game of Borderlands online last nite with four people and did a lot more spinning and things that would take bother the framerate and it didn't bsod.

 

sry for OT but can someone please help me find a link to Power4Gear Hybrid 1.1.26?

I know it's somewhere in the old G51J BSOD thread but searches gimme nuthin and I don't have a spare decade to trawl through it all again

 

I believe there's a link to it on the wiki.

 

Right, in the Category:Links section, I assumed that was a placeholder link or something. Is there some reason the links aren't listed directly on the wiki?

Thanks

 

ryzeki, are You going to stay with Your G51J or to change it for G73JH in this situation?

 

Oh, as I mentioned to some other people before, as much as I would love to get the G73JH (I am an ATi Fan after all) I am not in the best position to do so. Money is currently an issue and it would be unwise of me to spend extra for close to no gain (I don't have time to play that much).

I decided to keep my G51J before the BSOD was even fixed, but now that it is fixed, I see no reason why NOT keep this amazing laptop!

 

I agree with You, the issue is not a problem now for us the G51J users
I was talking not about buying another notebook and keeping the G51J but rather trying to give back G51J and get the money to buy the G73 ( I dont know if You have that kind of option). I actually gave my G51J to the shop wit the official statement that I would like a replacement or my money back,because maybe I will be able to get my money back to buy G73jh. I dunno if they accept that, cause the law says that they (the reseller, not ASUS) have to replace it or rapair it immiediately, and if the problem still exists, they have to give You the money back. Maybe I'll be lucky

edit: Have anyone checked if MW2 or CoD: WaW are giving BSoD with the new BIOS? I'm really curious about this.

 

Hi!
I think the new bios is not perfect.
While I am installing any program, everything freezes for a moment (for examlpe: If I listen to music, the sound is jamming).

 

Have You tried uninstalling all Creative software and drivers?

 

do people even bother reading the thread or searching? the sound stuttering has been asked more times than i can remember. this is because of the 19x nvidia's powermizer when it reduces clocks. if you don't like it, go back to something older or change away from vista/7.

the new bios does work in fixing the BSoD, but it seems more of a hack than a proper fix. the stuttering when loading a cod4mp game is still there, and is specific to this model (and maybe others). never happened on my 7800gt, 9700m gt, 4830 or 4890. could be that this is because of throttling, which might not be fixed by software.

 

Isn't the stuttering caused by the Core i7? I remember reading something about it, specially for Call of Dury 4 MW1, I am not sure it is present on MW2. It had something to do with hyper threading as far as I remember.

Hey thalanix, what Nvidia drivers do you recommend using, that gives good performance without issues such as the sound jamming etc?

 

i'll give it another shot with setting affinity/limiting in boot.ini (xp).

for xp, the best performance is 195.55.
on win7, they were less than stellar but still better synthetically in my 3dmark runs. i always go for the newest, but the 196 ones appear to have some major problems. could be wrong but all the drivers have the powermizer problem, so my suggestion is to turn it off or find a driver (probably in the 186/187 range) that doesn't clock up on sudden changes.

 

I read that the latest Dox driver gives you an option to turn off powermizer during installation of the driver.

 

Is this fixing USB problems for anyone who had those?

 

if it's that extra 10 second wait occasionally, ill do some reboots tonight. not much of an issue imo.

as if 2 clicks in nvidias control panel isn't enough
you can also use that powermizer switch program (or regedit, perflevelsrc to 3322) to have it off on ac and on on battery

 

Lol I didn't know there was an option in the regular drivers. I'm using the latest official ones...I'll have to check it out when I get off work later.

 

From what I understand, a lot of people have USB devices (like the iPod touch/iPhone) either work erratically or not at all on some PM55 chipset systems like this one and the Alienware M15x (but supposedly not on the equivalent Sager system).

 

That's weird, because I haven't had ANY usb issues on my laptop. Usb hard drives, thumb drive, ipod shuffle, Archos 5 etc..

 

The only issue I've had with the USB ports was with my iPhone a couple times, but I attribute that to the iTunes software rather than the laptop itself. No other problems with the USB ports here.

 

It's not iTunes-but as long as it's not all the time like some people were having, that's great to hear!

 

Nope, battary is as good as new. for me at least

Ryzeki, I am pretty sure that DCMAKER is actually right, When using the extreme turbo mode, it doesn't lock it not to 4 cores, but rather it makes it use only one (with highest frequency possible). You can check for yourself using CPU-Z, you will see that the frequency goes to it's highest, mine was around ~3.43(because i've the 920). but it is usually worse performance wise when at turbo or extreme turbo.

It is a hell of a downgrade, well, not really but ya it's a downgrade. but I think that you can still buy it online.(I think it's available in ebay)

 

no problems with my iphone since day 1.

 

Cool, that's great!

 

On the new bios, I've got about 3hrs in cod 4 and about 4 in borderlands. No BSOD YET.

 

For the life of me I cannot find the powermizer settings or even the mobile settings in the nvidia control panel. I'm running 195.62, any help?

 

Manage 3d settings/Power management mode/set to "prefer maximum performance".

 

he is right and wrong about the extreme turbo. CPUZ sees it at max freq but if you use t monitor You see it go from 933 to 953 to 977 (its somewhere around those numbers) or something like that. It just over clocks the core by a small %. Now cpuz does show its overclocked and at maxed multiplier, which brings the question. Which app shows the correct speeds? I assume t monitor does.