ASUS G73JH-A1 with ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5

eyefinity support... omg

and its 20-25% faster than the 280.. hmm

definitely excited again, pity no 256 bit memory bus

 

OK that last post sold me. I am getting the G73JH.

Everyone complaining about 128 bit so much make me want to hit them on the head Seriously, I have worked and used 128bit GDDR5 GPUs on desktop area and they work amazingly well.

Hell, an old computer I have, with dual core Athlon 6000, 4GB RAM and an ATI HD4770 128bit GDDR3 GPU outperforms my G51J without much problems lol... Even though I have a much superior CPU, and still competitive GPU.

I am definitely getting this awesome G73JH.... I need to help fix the G51 and sell it!

Anyways, time for me to sleep... hopefully this thread wont explode again, because it is getting hard to keep up!

 

Well, I'm still keeping my pre-order active for now. At first I was so excited and then I went to being bummed out and starting to configure other systems. After reading into a few of these posts and checking out the details I am once again semi-excited. I say semi-excited due to the fact that we still don't -really- know when it's being released correct? I thought waiting till the end of Jan/Feb was a somewhat long wait, but waiting till near March maybe? Man I don't know if I can hold off that long. Someone pick my spirits back up please and get me really excited again.

 

Mid Tour leave lucky you, mines is in July

 

My Jaw has officially dropped i am sold i will definately preorder asap

 

Strikers last post has sold me, gotta get my hands on one of these!

 

Jeez, this thread has been am emotional roller coaster every time I've read it. The laptop was first the greatest thing that's ever happened, then, it also became the sexiest thing ever, then you realize its really not everything you once hoped it would be and now you actually realize, that it might not be amazing and fantastic but its still the best out there for the price.....


I don't even care anymore...... I've preordered it.....the money is the hand's of the trusty reseller.....I'll just wait quietly and accept my fate....for the better or worse.....

Just hope it gets here soon. Before February 15th would have been ideal since I'm leaving the country then; guess I'm going to have to get it delivered to Australia and endure duty....10%.....198AUD......Still worth it......

 

That info will probably get lost in the pages of this thread, so I have also posted it in the lead post of the Owner's thread.

 

So now that we know some game benchmarks, what desktop graphics card does this compare to?

 

Well I don't know how to get you exited since I don't know your current system specs. If you have the same, or worse specs as I have I bet we will have a blast with this new machine. When I saw the pics, I just knew this is what I wanted. They did everything I wanted to be improved to the currten g series which look hidious and have overheating problems.
They stuffed it with 2 jet/alienware exhausts to fix the heat and gave it a nice solid black look without any shiny childish blitzboltz so i'm very exited.
It's like with women and cars, you just know that you want that particular model, and nothing else comes close.

edit:well the 'come close' part doesn't apply to all the owners with a gtx260 or 280 perhaps...

 

I am interested but not AS interested as before ....

Time will tell , Does look like a 5770 shrink :/

It would be nice if I could actually test it and put it through its paces... Thanks Striker ...

 

LOL!

The prospect of the delays were bringing me down, so I had to find something to bring me back up. Plus the rampant speculation..... page, after page, after page, after page, was driv'in me phreak'in NUTS! The real proof in the pudd'in, is going to be when we finally get our hands on the G73JH..... which BTW, I think is back on it's original track.... late Jan, early Feb..... just a hunch, LOL!

 

Well moo, don't forget you are one of the few lucky who is in position of an alienware m17x. The looks of alienware machines never get old, and even with the lowest specs those machines can handle new games for a long time. I'm surprised you even look at other brands. Once I got my new laptop, wether it will be asus, or alienware, or clevo, I will leave this forum untill my laptop breaks because the first day something better comes to the market, you are no longer content with your purchase.

 

Are we STILL comparing desktop solutions with mobile solutions, LOL!

You are always very welcome Moo Man!

 

All the people complaining about 128bit are somehow inconsistent... What you should be complaining is 800SPS and not 1440 or 1600 (which would kill the thermal side of the card probably). 800sps is perfectly in line with the 128bit combined with GDDR5, only few games if any will take a hit there, for most it won't count - it's as if asking for a 4lane road when 2lanes are sufficient to let all the traffic created through. The traffic creation is ofcourse SPS and cloks limited. I mean the 4860 desktop part had 680SPS but was running at what 1000Mhz? and it had the 128bit bus and was very well stream lined. You have to increase the bottleneck not just some random part, which is only marketing - like giving the entry level card 1GB memory....

Our biggest dissapointment is ofcourse that mobile is not beating the previous enthusiast level of desktop... Well we just have to suck it up - the technology is just not there. And it's not there not entirely because of GPU developers, it's also because of laptop thermal budget design, they just can't manage much more heat which is the bottleneck.

Also TDW50 is very compelling who knows(remembers) what the 4850/70 TDW was like?

 

Hah, I dont even own a rig anymore. My old desktops were custom freaking AMD 3200 Barton cores with Radeon 9800 Pro's. I've been wanting a gaming computer forever and have been hating not having one. I hated not being able to play things without a constant lag here and there on the LOWEST settings. That is why I want a gaming rig bad, to experience GOOD gameplay. I finally have the cash to spare at the moment, which is why I pre-ordered this laptop. Don't get me wrong, I am still a little excited about this rig but the delays are peeing in my cheerios.

 

I always compare ATI mobile solutions with their Mobile counterparts because USUALLY* they are derived from them

Overclock that 5870m to desktop 5770 speed and what will you be left with ?

Same cannot be said about Nvidias ...


So my point is still valid


Just because i have an Alienware does not mean i am 100% happy .... What i have now is fast enough bu being the way I am i like testing and toying. Its just how i work and i strive to learn as much as possible.

 

Problem was POWER not heat.

 

Another question is how will they handle Eyefinity ?

A special Port replicator?

I do not see many ODM's adding in 3 VGA slots ... maybe a proprietary designed port?

 

I corrected your post above..... I think....???

Yes, Yes, I know..... but though derived from them, they have never been the same (except in designation), ergo I have never quite understood the comparisons or arguments. To me it's always been comparing apples to oranges, LOL!

 

POWER comes at a price of heat, and very few NB chasis could deal with the heat... I mean we already have the technology in desktop cards, we just can't dissipate the heat
Especially as you noted that ATI puts their desktop GPU's in - that means ramping up the clocks will give you the same performance - if g73 cooling is on par that can be interesting...
Who knows what memory speed is 5770 or 4860 was running? The only hesitation i still have is if the gddr5 is a 5GHz part if so it shoul really not be a bottleneck...

 

they use the EXACT same Die

the 5870m has the 5770 core 128 bit bus and Gddr5

EXACTLY what it has except downclocked. It can reach the desktops performance with the correct voltage is all i am saying.

They have been different due to power limitations


Best example is how the Asus w90p with voltage increase was able to overclock and REACH the score of a desktop 4850 which is what it was

 

power does come at the price of heat but they can manage it.

The GTX 260 runs hotter then the ATI cards but mine never goes over 65 C while gaming and overclocked

 

I think you're not entirely correct there Striker, in the case of ATI it has been comparing apples to apples just with different clocks. Now ATI has played a bit of Nvidias game and used the 5870 in the wrong place i think that Moo is right when he says that it has been derived from the 5770 part - specs match. Atleast this is on what i would bet.
On the other hand Ati is still not as bad as Nvidia with there rebranding - atleast it's the same generation and close enough number card

 

correct, Nvidia tried to shrink them down but the process of shrinking their GT200 arch was VERY VERY bad and they just couldn't do it .

So they stuck with G92 and shrunk it and overclocked it. Then released it as their 2xx series.

Now they will rebrand the cards they have now and try a GT200 arch i think as their GTX cards in this series but they will still be a rebrand.


I am not sure but i do not expect anything new

 

As I said it's not entirely up to GPU manufacturers, it's up to the NB chasis designers.
I mean if the casis designers would say "hey now we design chasis that can accomodate a 100TDW GPU" don't you think that ATI or NVIDIA would happily oblidge?
If NVIDIA or ATI where to be involved in the total design of the notebook having in mind to squeeze as much juice from the GPU they would definatley give it atleast an additionl 30% boost over the current mobile tech, but with the product lifecycle being so short, competition so fierce one notebook design is just not worth it.... Gamers are too small of a group, and ussually not the one with the most money

 

the TDP is irrelavant when the MXM form factor cannot provide more then 75w

The MXM port designates how much power can be pulled but yes we are on the same page.

 

Point taken.

Was looking at MSI and it's offer GX and new GE lineups -not much info, but it don't seem it's going to go the 58xx way ... shame, but they will have ATI.... but i still hope to see some competition for g73, want a 5850/70 in a 15-16inch form factor and without the turbo exhaust which is HUGE... Shame Clevo is with the wrong bunch... 860 would have my money if they had the ATI's.

 

Notebookcheck has also updated their site..

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5898b1db710.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5870.23073.0.html

 

Read point 13, they mean Gpu score right?
and whats the score for 280m?

Also, how did they run mobility radeon with desktop procesor?

 

AHhhh, LOL!

Believe me guys, I understand your viewpoints completely. It's just I wonder if we don't overthink things sometimes, ya know? I mean, we all know the same dies, downclocks, etc. But the fact remains, due to the limitations cited earlier, desktop solution and mobile solutions have never been equal. The continued analysis, debates, comparisons, and arguments just seems a tad pointless and moot, to me.

I tend to compare mobile solutions to mobile solutions, and likewise with desktop solutions. Comparing apples and oranges just seems a little pointless, ya know? To me there is more value comparing say, the Mobility 4870 to a Mobility 5870..... rather than a desktop 5770 (or ATI whatever), to a mobile 5870.

Case in point, look at all the speculation prior to the ATI info I just posted, and then review and compare this with ATI's findings. In short, we had page, after page, after page of speculations, and most got it wrong..... and in truth, we really need to get our hands on the 5870's anyway.

Remember the W90 thread Moo..... how folks kept coming into the thread exclaiming we did not have 4870 cards? Well see, in my view we did..... because they were MOBILITY 4870's (By ATI designation), and NOT their desktop counterparts. There is a clear distinction..... so why all this fuss?

Anyway, no doubt..... these debates, comparison, speculations, and arguments will continue..... and I'll keep scratch'in my head wondering why.

LOL, Anyhow, I guess I'm just simple this way.

 

FYI: The ATI links I posted in the Owner's thread (lead post) are more current, dated 7 Jan 2010.

Also, they use the specified processor & MB on a test bench..... they have been doing this for sometime.

 

Anyone over in the UK know if this laptop is up for pre-order anywhere yet?

 

according to this, his 280m scored 5340
and according to pic below(See point 13), ATI claiming 6568


That's a ~23% increase, almost as much as the ~25% ATI is claiming here


Not bad, not bad at all
Cant wait for User conducted benches

 

from ATI 5870 page( http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/NOTEBOOK/GRAPHICS/ATI-MOBILITY-HD-5800/Pages/hd-5870-specs.aspx)

ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5870 GPU Specifications

1.04 billion 40nm transistors
TeraScale 2 Unified Processing Architecture
800 Stream Processing Units
40 Texture Units
64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
16 Color ROP Units
GDDR5 memory interface
PCI Express 2.1 x16 bus interface
DirectX® 11 support
Shader Model 5.0
DirectCompute 11
Programmable hardware tessellation unit
Accelerated multi-threading
HDR texture compression
Order-independent transparency
OpenGL 3.2 support1
Image quality enhancement technology
Up to 24x multi-sample and super-sample anti-aliasing modes
Adaptive anti-aliasing
16x angle independent anisotropic texture filtering
128-bit floating point HDR rendering
ATI Eyefinity multi-display technology2,3
Six independent display controllers
Drive up to six displays simultaneously with independent resolutions, refresh rates, color controls, and video overlays
Display grouping
Combine multiple displays to behave like a single large display
ATI Stream acceleration technology
OpenCL 1.0 compliant
DirectCompute 11
Accelerated video encoding, transcoding, and upscaling4,5
Native support for common video encoding instructions
ATI CrossFireX™ multi-GPU technology6
Dual GPU scaling
ATI Avivo HD Video & Display technology7
UVD 2 dedicated video playback accelerator
Advanced post-processing and scaling8
Dynamic contrast enhancement and color correction
Brighter whites processing (blue stretch)
Independent video gamma control
Dynamic video range control
Support for H.264, VC-1, and MPEG-2
Dual-stream 1080p playback support9,10
DXVA 1.0 & 2.0 support
Integrated dual-link DVI output with HDCP11
Max resolution: 2560x160012
Integrated DisplayPort output
Max resolution: 2560x160012
Integrated HDMI 1.3 output with Deep Color, xvYCC wide gamut support, and high bit-rate audio
Max resolution: 1920x120012
Integrated VGA output
Max resolution: 2048x153612
3D stereoscopic display/glasses support13
Integrated HD audio controller
Output protected high bit rate 7.1 channel surround sound over HDMI with no additional cables required
Supports AC-3, AAC, Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio formats
ATI PowerPlay™ power management technology7
Dynamic power management with low power idle state
Ultra-low power state support for multi-GPU configurations
Certified drivers for Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP
Speeds & Feeds
Engine clock speed: 700 MHz
Processing power (single precision): 1.12 TeraFLOPS
Polygon throughput: 700M polygons/sec
Data fetch rate (32-bit): 112 billion fetches/sec
Texel fill rate (bilinear filtered): 28 Gigatexels/sec
Pixel fill rate: 11.2 Gigapixels/sec
Anti-aliased pixel fill rate: 44.8 Gigasamples/sec
Memory clock speed: 1.0 GHz
Memory data rate: 4.0 Gbps
Memory bandwidth: 64 GB/sec
TDP: 50 Watts
Driver support scheduled for release in 2010.
Driver version 8.66 (Catalyst 9.10) or above is required to support ATI Eyefinity technology.. Actual number of attachable monitors will vary by notebook model.
ATI Eyefinity technology works with games that support non-standard aspect ratios which is required for panning across multiple displays.
Requires application support for ATI Stream technology.
Digital rights management restrictions may apply.
ATI CrossFireX™ technology requires an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard, an ATI CrossFireX™ Bridge Interconnect (for each additional graphics card) and may require a specialized power supply.
ATI PowerPlay™, ATI Avivo™ and ATI Stream are technology platforms that include a broad set of capabilities offered by certain ATI Radeon™ HD GPUs. Not all products have all features and full enablement of some capabilities and may require complementary products.
Upscaling subject to available monitor resolution.
Blu-ray or HD DVD drive and HD monitor required.
Requires Blu-ray movie disc supporting dual 1080p streams.
Playing HDCP content requires additional HDCP ready components, including but not limited to an HDCP ready monitor, Blu-ray or HD DVD disc drive, multimedia application and computer operating system.
Some custom resolutions require user configuration.
Requires 3D stereo drivers, glasses, and display.

Sorry had to copy paste whole thing to highlight something, whats 3D about?? 3D bluray support??

 

The price (first thread gives 3 links to shops selling it) seems very unrealistic, I mean 1650 dollars is really cheap. I would even be surprised if it costed only costed 1650 euros.

 

I don't think the G73 will have 3d support but the card does. I know there is a G51J-3D that will have 3D support since the screen is compatible. I think we will be able to connect it to a 3D compatible TV to watch 3D Blu-rays but thats just a guess on my part. I'm not sure if you can transfer stereoscopic video over HDMI. it would be cool if it does though.

 

Is it me or does the pictures of this on the OP's post not match the ones on Xoticpc.com gallery? The whole design isnt the same and it doesnt even have 2 vents on the back. This could have been said already but didn't want to read through all of this just for that.

 

*Judging by those graphs.. 128-bit bus or not, what ever ATI did.. This card is an abosulte killer!! I am shocked at how much performance ATI was able to get out of it.. Very Impressive numbers for being 128-bit. I cannot wait to see a 3DMark06 run.. My guess 13,000 to 14,000.

 

don't even bother, just order it from US and with the shipping cost it'll still be cheaper.

thats what im gonna do

 

Hi all, first post here. Joined the forum due to the G73 hype/obsession. Killer laptop that should beat the socks off my old XPS1530 w/8600GT. Very tempted to pull the trigger!

I have a question kind of off topic from the graphics discussion. Can anyone confirm if this has an expresscard slot? the online retailers list it in the specs but from the photos all I see is a memory card slot, usb, vga..ect. I've browsed through all the photos I can find and unless its behind a secret panel, I'm not seeing it.

Just wondering in case someone wanted to add a tv tuner or some other peripheral.

Thanks!

 

Back on track for late Jan, early Feb? I hope you're right! Not sure I could wait much longer and the Sager NP8690 was looking tempting...

It's nice to log in today and see a far more positive thread than the one I encountered yesterday morning - looks like I'll be pre-ordering after all as long as the price stays the same

 

stop to dream because we know Nvidia strategy (put money and energy on fermi,cuda,physx technology). the big fight is in desktop market. we are nothing compare others segment. So we must be happy like that with this type of conversion from desktop to mobile.
In conclusion this ati card is about 10% faster than a geforce 385M (285m overclocked) with g92 chip
Now we understand why Nvidia take a rest pause from mobile market

 

Only thing missing is USB 3.0
in the Asus Laptop

 

so why does the OP pics look so much better than the ones linked on xoticpc? they look completely different but yet are same spec

 

because xoticpc used the G71 model pictures

nobody knew what it looked it before CES2010

 

ooooh ok so if i were to preorder it it would be the one pictured in the OP cool. Question will this thing play WoW at max settings with 60fps as well as play borderlands and others? Also need to do some 3d work and CAD and adobe work what you guys think?

 

NeRo45, this laptop will play WoW with next to no problem - the game is more CPU dependent than otherwise. i7 would handle it too.

Not sure about 3D work though.

 

Unfortunately none of us were aware they were re-designing the G73. Combining a i7 with this GPU will make no problems for those games or CAD/Adobe.

 

@Justin:

If I order my G73 from XoticPC and have you change the thermal paste to a better one, will that affect my 2 year warranty from ASUS?