ASUS G73JH-A1 with ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5

Any news on the specs+price of the G73 which BB will sell?

 

Not what i know of, ask the genetch guy sorry if i am spelling the companies name wrong.

 

Here j and r has it http://www.jr.com/category/computers/notebooks-and-tablets/pc-notebooks/n/4294563397/page-20/ Seems like when i go to click it it says the page is not active something like that, but j and r has two great things one full 2 year global warranty. 2 if you live out of the state no taxes and free shipping. Plus you can get it cheaper too just talk to the rep on the phone but wait until its in the store and see if they discount it a bit they usually do that a lot, and then ask the rep for 50 bucks less or so.

 

Now what i want to know is the screen manufacturer still going to be AOU? Or is it going to be at least someother company?

 

+ bing cashback, which is 5-10%

 

Had nothing to do with heat...I own a w90, runs verry cool

 

I can arrange you buying one if you want....

 

My guess is that the resellers only make single digit returns for selling one of these things with as cheap as Asus is listing them at. The only way they can make a couple of bucks is from volume and upgrades. I don't blame them; they have to earn a living too!

 

Any conformation on the express card slot or e-sata?
J&R have included it in the configuration? Is this correct?

 

No one knows for sure yet, as there are so many things up in the air at this point. Word from the resellers is NO, but then again things are changing so quickly that it could change again.

 

I guess we wait and watch.

We also don't know whether the WiFi card can be upgraded to an Intel 5300, right?

What are the other things still up in the air?

 

@Xirurg bank of America only gives you back like 2 percent i don't know if its more i usually like to call its the same thing. So far by signing up for cash back i didn't get anything back.

 

cool.
anyways, I pre-ordered this thing early January, and many things have changed.
gah, I hate it when companies delay things.

 

I'm also curious as to what this entails as I won't be in the US to fix things should something happen with the laptop

 

Any transaction is between a willing buyer and a willing seller. If a seller adds value to a product they are entitled to charge for that.

Since you also get the technical support from your reseller when they do modifications there is even more added value.

Further, since your ASUS warranty stays intact for all but the upgraded components (which will all have their own manufacturer's warranty) you get even more value than if you did the upgrades yourself.

Anyone who does not appreciate the added value and added service and support should find another solution.

It is not like anyone is hiding anything or being deceitful in any way so as to justify your claim of dishonesty. Given the added value, service and support added it is a bit silly to make claims of stealing and theft.

 

Just click on the Warranty button and then ASUS "Global" Warranty to see all of the ASUS warranties including the Zero Bright Dot warranty.

 

Actually, it is being hidden and dishonest since no where do you state that the old parts will be kept, it is assumed that the price you are quoted is the final price, not the price you pay + we keep your old parts.

I agree if a seller adds value they are entitled to be compensated for that, but they should make that known up front, and not just keep the parts. Again, that is being dishonest, as it is ecpected the final price you are quoted is the final price...you are adding a hidden cost in the form of keeping those parts which you do not own.

With what you do, the TRUE cost of the laptop then is what you are quoted at checkout + the value of the parts that you kept, but do not get, hence you are esentially not getting everything you pay for.

I f you want to keep the parts as "compensation" for the "value add" so be it, all I am asking is that it is stated somewhere that you will keep the old parts, ya know open and honest disclosure.

 

Cookie


So far I am going to get the Asus, should ve fun taking it apart so quick.

Thanks to gentech for confirming

 

man, peeps just love to complain. if you do not like the method resellers use, get it from a standard B&M, upgrade it yourself, void the warranty, or use your brain to attempt to preserve the warranty.

i keep logging on when i get a message that says "new crap has been posted" only to find a broken record with a different complaint.

*stabs self*

 

The prices should be the price difference between two parts vs full price of the item to upgrade. You will find the same comparable prices from the Dells and HPs of the world.

 

The main difference between HP/Dell and what is happening there is that in the case of HP/Dell, they are building to order with the parts you select. (yea I will give you the fact that they over charge for the parts)

In the case of the resellers, a fully built product is having the part replaced, if you notice for the top end i7, they are charging basically, retail, not the difference.

Again, if they want to keep the parts as some sort of "compensation" for their "value add", fine......just state that fact. Right now, you basically get charged for 2 cpu's (as a example), the origional one and the upgraded one, yet recieve only one.

 

First of all, your allegations are totally untrue, and your accusations are offensive.

Go to any custom builder's website. Major brands like DELL or anywhere that you can start with a base model and select upgrades that you want. You will find they all have a starting point with a particular shell and components. You then go through their Customizer and select the upgrades you want. At the end of the ordering process you are given the configuration you have selected together with its price. At that point if it is acceptable you place your order.

Nowhere will you get the upgrades that you selected PLUS the components that were specified with the base model, nor does any reasonable person expect to get the items that were upgraded from in addition to the items that were selected.

 

Does it really make a difference if the part was there at one time or not? If you take the example of the processor, to upgrade to the 920XM from xoticpc it's $1105. From Dell it's $1050, only a $55 difference and that not what the 720QM costs. So it's basically the same thing.

Now let's say the i720QM retails for $300 (I have no idea the retail price), then take Dell's price tag of $1050 (using Dell since they never built the PC with the 720 to begin with) then xotic should be selling the proc for $1350 as an upgrade BUT you keep the 720QM. Would you prefer that price? I'm sure that can be arranged.

 

-=$tR|k3r=- straightened me out on that already. When I was originally looking for a W90 a several months ago all I could find was complaints about heat issues. At the time I didn't think of the fact that there were going to be more people unhappy with a certain product on a forum than happy. As forums such as these are mostly to help out anyone that is having problems.

Honestly I'm over my want stage for the W90. When it was originally brought out the specs were outstanding. Now with all the I7 laptops I'm more interested in one of them. Though out of curiousity how much were you trying to sell one for?

 

If I bought the base line system from xotic (as a example) it would cost X dollars, then if I went out and bout the top end proc, I could replace it on my own, and would have both procs. yes, I would void my warentee.

Now, if I have xotic (again, just a example) replace the proc, I have paid for the base line + the upgraded proc (at retail cost mnind you). Now, the warentee is still in tact, and the new proc has a warentee through xotic.

Should they be able to charge for that service and value add, definately. Should they be able to keep the hardware (in this case the origional proc), as compensation without stating that, I dont believe so, If they wiould disclose that the will keep the old hardware fine, or add a value add charge and give me both procs, fine.

But to keep the old hardware without stating that they will, is basically a hidden charge, not reflected in the final check out price.

Again, all I am asking for is honest disclosure they are keeping the old hardware, to compensate them for their value add.

 

If that's your thinking then the Dells and HPs of the world need to do the same since the prices are comparable.

 

wwoods, what part of my post above (#3126) did you not understand.

There isn't a custom builder out there, regardless of brand, that gives you both the components in their base configuration AND the components that you upgrade to. You are wrong in your assertions and you are beating a dead horse here (be careful, someone will report you to PETA for that )

In the end, if you don't like the price, find another solution.

 

I agree with this, I do not believe what they are doing is right either. In answer to your question, would I willingly pay more If I recieved both parts, quite possibly.

 

To disclose what???

You aren't making any sense here.

1. NO ONE (except maybe you) expects to receive BOTH the base component AND the upgraded component.

2. When you look at your final configuration it does not say you are getting both parts. It gives you the final configuration and the price for it. No one is trying to keep it secret that you are not also getting the original base component because any reasonable mind understands that you UPGRADED from that component...if you upgrade from 2GB memory to 4GB memory does anyone expect that they will actually get 6GB??

 

Basically what you are saying is that if you upgrade a product, you should only have to pay (or be refunded) the difference for changing a particular option. Perfectly understandable, and I think that's was these resellers do.

 

key words in that post...sell me MY OLD PARTS....parts that I OWN AND PAID FOR...

parts that I OWN that are being kept.

 

No that is NOT what they do, you are charged RETAIL for the upgrades...That is my entire point.

 

Even if the reseller kept the parts or neglected to tell you that they were keeping the parts, is it really such a bad thing? We're talking about a capitalist market here.

You pay the price of something you want if you think it is worth that value. Else, you take your money somewhere else and stop whining .

 

The best way to deal with all of this is just buy the base machine your self and then order the parts on your own and sell off the stuff you dont want ...

Now this is where it gets tricky because once you sell off that stuff that came with it from the factory you cannot just send in your machine to Asus because you essentially voided your warranty...

What resellers do by offering the upgrades at possibly somewhat inflated prices(depending on perspective) is make sure your warranty is still intact + they have to cover shipping back to them and then back to Asus...

I went through all this with my W90 after buying a Qx9300 because i could not just sell the T9600 that came with it even though i certainly wanted to since i would have 0 warranty when the time came, which it did and i had to ship it back ...

They are helping you not have to deal with any of that plus they handle all the work for you as well and lets face it not everyone is capable of swapping CPUs etc on there own...

In the end what they offer is just a service and a guarantee your warranty is not trashed by adding upgrades and if they(reseller) voids the warranty its there problem not yours ...

 

What exactly are you buying? Ah yes, a laptop from a reseller. Not directly from Asus. Therefore, they can do what they wish to it a la your upgrade requirements and keep the old parts if they wanted. You are purchasing the reseller's product, and this gives them control over what they keep. You are paying for a product with parts inside that you agreed to. What's the problem?

 

@Quadzilla good point. The extra you are paying for service, guarantee, warranty, etc all adds value to the product. If a customer wants to weight this against the reseller keeping original parts and doesn't think it's worth it, don't buy. It's honestly as simple as that.

A lot of the resellers on these forums are good people who bend over backwards for their customers. Wwood's negative accusations are not well founded and have a weak premise.

 

Is it such a bad thing they are keeping the parts without telling you....lets do some math.

Lets say I buy a system with a 500$ proc, and opt for a 1,000$ proc upgrade

What should happen is this.

New Proc (1000$) - Old Proc (500$) = upgrade cost (500$) they keep old proc

What is happening

New Proc Upgrade Cost (1000$) + Old Proc (500$) = you pay 1,000$ + cost of old proc (500$) = total cost 1,500

Now, you tell me is that a bad thing ? It depends, if youre the reseller, you just made a easy $500 on that proc you kept, you can now resell it for say 200-300$...nice little bit extra there, you just added approx 10% to your bottom line income without "raising the cash cost" but you have hidden the true cost.

If youre the consumer...you just lost $500. So depending on who's perspective, it could be good or bad.

 

Really? You think people are paying $500 extra because of this? Do some realistic math, weight it against the added value from the reseller, and explain why the purchase isn't worth it.

I full well understand where wwoods is coming from. As I said in a previous post, you either think the added value (or lack thereof) is worth it or you don't buy.

 

Hmm interesting, coming from a 9.25% tax region, this interests me. Although no customization this way but I pretty much was going to get it bone stock. The only exception being thermal paste. With 5% bing cashback, I think I can save a net 100 bucks or so.

 

Did you not read the part where the reseller has to pay for the shipping back to them and then to Asus ? Do you think shipping is free somehow ? You also realize that the reseller has to keep the part on hand if you have a warranty issue because they need to put these parts back in before sending it out ? Again do people think all this is free to them somehow ? I dont think people really understand all the "What ifs" ...

Lets say 2 years down the road your machine croaks and Asus has to replace your machine for the newest gen machine because they no longer make that model you have, well the reseller has to return your machine to factory state so they can request a replacement.. Well if they sold all your parts they could not do that so they cant just sell off all your parts like everyone thinks...

If you did all this yourself and swapped in a bunch of different parts and sold the rest well guess what ??? you have no warranty and you get NO new machine....

Its all very simple really but in the end it boils down to whether you see the added value in this or not ... Nothing more nothing less....

 

No, I well know those are not accurate numbers, I choose them for sake of ease of use, but my point stands. Charge me up front for the value add service, I never said they dont deserve compensation for their value add. and let me mae a descision based upon that ammount, in this case, no value is given for the value add, and you do pay for it.

My entire point has been that keeping the old hardware under the guise of compensation for value add is dishonest. You are paying for the value add, by them keeping your hardware, I would rather know the cost of that value add and pay it up front (which in my opinion, is more honest) than to have the hardware I own held to pay fr it, without knowing the actual value of their value add service

 

Even as your flimsy point "stands" you are missing some critical logistics for the reseller. They buy a laptop with configuration A. You customize it as it becomes configuration B. If they charge you the difference in cost that it took to customize the product, they are loosing money.

This example neglects what the reseller actually pays for each item and I'm assuming that they profit zero dollars off of a sale.

Example:

Cost of Configuration A is $1500.

Upgrades for Configuration B, by themselves, cost $100.

Cost to customer $1600.

Customer says, "But I only want to pay the difference."

Then we take an arbitrary amount off of $1500, say $50 (this means the upgrade costs twice as much as the stock part alone).

Cost to customer is $1550. But, since the reseller bought both parts, they have your stock part and are $50 in the hole. Resellers don't make money by selling the parts left over on a customized purchase.

 

But they still have brand new part that they can put in some other order, a custom made laptop for example.

I also agtee to these guys. I fail to see what is so hard to understand here. I agree that they should state they keep the stock parts. That way the user knows what he is into, and makes a decision if it is such a good deal and actually worth it. Simple.

 

Banking on the future sale of a customized laptop to rid yourself of your extra parts is a bad idea. And then you are left with the extra parts of the future sale. A vicious cycle .

 

I think the question on upgrades has been answered
It is up to the individual making the buying decision whether they would like to pay for upgrades
The retailers do have prices listed on their websites to allow those purchasing to make informed decisions
Btw
I have deleted a few posts

Alex

 

Is there any way to buy barebones of this model ?

 

No, the base configuration is how the resellers receive it.

 

I rarely log in and post comments. I find that just following along is like a soap opera and quite enjoyable, hehe, but I had to comment on the above quote, very true and amusing, LOL.

 

I believe they take into account that they are keeping the old part and you are only paying the difference in that part + time/labor to put said part in. Is that safe to assume?

 

Obviousely, you decided not to quote my answer also...

so allow me:

If I upgrade from 2GB to 4GB, I would

1)Put 2GB in the second slot, therefore only buying a 2GB stick

or

2) buy a 4GB stick to replace the 2GB, but I still have the 2GB stick in this scenario.