ASUS G73JH-A1 with ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5

Can anybody show me a link to learn about thermal compound I'm going to order and have these options I want to see whats better

 

so, since there are A1 and A2 models coming, are they coming in the same shipments?
and if so, since i don't care about a bluray, would ordering the A2 get me a speedier spot in line?

and just making sure, the A2 has no differences at all besides the bluray?

 

Thermal compound is used to fill the microscopic gaps between the CPU and the heatsink. When choosing a paste, don't worry so much about how one might be better than another (since they usually will only vary by a degree or two, unless you're using the stock grease, in which case, get something cheap like arctic silver or mx-2 since these will be much better than the generic goop manufacturer's use).

 

In any way does this void warranty?Also is the Diamond thermal worth the upgrade?

 

Look here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=372333&highlight=icd7+tim

Great discussion about all the major players.

 

As long as you don't have to remove any stickers or anything like that, you shouldn't have to worry about any warranty issues. As for the IC Diamond paste, since places are charging $35, it'd basically cost the same amount to buy a tube for yourself. And since you have the tube, you can use it multiple times.

 

May I ask why you would ask, and how my answer would at all clarify my original question?

 

He just wants to know why you'd go for a BB model (overpriced) instead of buying from a reseller.

 

Doing it yourself does void the warranty officially, having it done by an authorized ASUS reseller (GenTechPC, XoticPC, etc.) does not is my understanding.

 

I wasn't trying to be a @** I was asking because over in the dell xps area someone said the same thing as you and when I asked why he said because they didn't have a debit or credit card and I told him about prepaid cards.So again I wasn't trying to be mean about it thought it was something like that I could help on,

 

I'll post a guess for some type of BB credit or employee discount.

Like notyou implies, all 3 aftermarket compunds are close to each other in performance, but better than stock goop. The difference I know between them is ease of application which your reseller would do for you, so no worries. I recommend the MX2 or IC Diamond though.

 

Here's a little something to look at.

http://communities.intel.com/message/81232;jsessionid=AFF548030BC79B502746AF0F8F4AA8E3.node5COMS

 

My apologies if I came across as an @ss in my reply. I'm stuck buying a new laptop at Best Buy for a number of reasons that I don't wish to share here. I was merely looking for some feedback from folks w/ experience buying Asus machines at BB. I want to get an i7-based FullHD machine w/ BluRay and a large screen. Right now, the Sony F series is the only thing at BB stores that meets those requirements, but it only has a 16.4" screen, and I would prefer at least a 17.x" or larger. They offer a pretty impressive but pricey Toshiba Qosmio X505-Q880 online, but a thread on those here at NBR pointed me in the direction of the Asus G73JH. It looks good to me, but I've no experience in reseller vs BB configurations of Asus machines, hence the question. Thanks, though, for your offer of assistance...

 

Asus does use processor warranty stickers.

 

I have no idea, it's a Linksys.

 

IMO definitely worth it.

 

Only if you're going all out since it's a minimal difference over something like AS5 for a lot more $. But if you need to buy some grease anyways, it may be worth picking it up.

 

Hmm... Is there another site that has a chart like this? I remember somewhere on the forums that the 820 could go up to 2.4ghz quad. Are you sure this is accurate? If it is, I see no point in getting the 820 IMO.

However, to be future proof huh.... Its a good point and a lot of people have been saying this for a while. And a lot more programs will start using multi-cores in the future. Hmm... to be happy now with a 3.33 and regret not getting a quad in the future, or get the quad now and wait later for apps that require a high clock speed (such as pcsx)?

 

I'd go with the quad because it has turbo boost. Plus, you can guarantee that programs will become more multi-threaded.

 

Sheesh.. Did i finally catch up with u? Have always had a 20-30 pages gap between the place i was reading and the new-last-page

BTW, wanted to thank u for a great community all of u guys form! I'm from Russia and most of Russian forums have soooo much more trolling! It is normal to troll on a newbie when he asks a stupid question as if he read the whole thread, understood it all and still askes that question in order to make everyone angry.. So.. it's very nice to be here

I have a question which does make sence to me and it surely wasn't discussed here.
My dad is going to US for a short while in March, some job stuff. Not so much time. Is it better to buy a notebook in a simple offline market? Wheh, do u think, I will be able to name the exact name of model, which contained smth what Xotic and other resellers offer? I mean nothing like i5, 1 hdd and stuff. To me that looks a good opportunity, cuz in case of any issues, he will easily be able to change the laptop right away.
Am i wrong and even in this case (of lack of time) it is better to order a notebook from a reseller? in this case i won't be able to replace it right away and it might not be delivered in time, but if it goes fine, i keep an opportunity to customize it the way offline market can't offer?

 

I can't vouch for that chart, but I can take you to the "main man" as they say: http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=43402

To me "future proofing" is a divide by zero concept (i.e. can't be done in a sane world), but I do think hard about the future of a machine when I purchase. In the case of the G73, I'm going with the base 720 offered as it will get the job done on games and I want the threads for W7 and video editing. The cost of upgrading the cpu at this time is not worth it to me, but when the warranty is up and if I still like the machine, I may buy an 820 or 920 on the cheap and replace it myself. It could give it more life, I may not need it or there is a completely better model out that would be more cost effective.

Exactly, W7 itself has become quite multithreaded to my understanding (first windows optimized for multithread and SSD's). More threads available the faster some applications. I have an i7 920 on my desktop and it rips through some video editing when I enable the HT. The Cinebench 10 rendering benchmark can really show you the advantage, it's not linear, but it speeds up the work. In todays world, <4 cores is a step backwards, despite clock speeds.

 

I believe you mean the Windows kernel has been optimized to support multithreading. Individual programs still have to be written for multithreading support before they can take advantage of those extra resources.

Also, Cinebench is one of those types of applications that will always want more resources given how parallel the nature of rendering is.

And I do fully agree that cores are good, but so is clock speed. This is where Intel really hit the nail on the head with Turbo Boost. Advantages of massive parallelism with quad core + HT, but able to help those weakly threaded apps with TB.

But enough of this, let's get this thread back on track.

 

So was it scheduled to release tomorrow already or is that new news and its early?

 

Fair enough on my word arrangement, but come on, are you telling me that the OS functions themselves can't use multiple threads and only an application can because W7 supports it? I seriously hope that is not what the HT optimization is for the i7's and W7.

I don't get your Cinebench comment at all, does it not show the ability of a rendering app using 8 threads compared to 4 or 2 and give a mini example of the performance I see when I edit my video? It's actually one of the benchmarks I find useful and it will be ran on my G73 (assuming it works w/ W7)

Good to have your agreement on something, I guess

Maybe I'm just taking your post the wrong way, so please correct me if needed. How are we off track? Xellon and I are talking about cpu options, some available and some not for the G73. With the dozens and dozens of water cooler type conversations in this thread, I hardly think talking about cpu's for the G73 is off topic.

 

NO, that was a joke my friend..... sorry, but we'll have to wait just a bit longer.

 

I'm not sure I 100% understood your question, but here are some thoughts regarding reseller vs. "offline market" in your situation (I assume by offline market you mean just purchasing at a store -- like BestBuy). In general, the reseller will get you a better machine and at a better value, and IMHO is preferable if you can manage it.

You note the value of BesBuy is that if the laptop doesn't initially work you can return it right there. However, a reseller can turn on your machine and ensure it initially works. So i think that value is moot. As for later problems, BestBuy is convinent for us, but you'll be in Russia, so no benefit either way.

Also, where will you have it shipped? if you have a relative or a trusted friend, you can have the reseller ship it there. if you only have a hotel room, you may not want to use a reseller because that isn't a good shipping destinaton.

Finally, be careful of timeing. The G73 may be delayed and not be available when your dad is in the U.S. I suggest you consider contacting a reseller and working something out like this: preorder a G73 (if that is what you want), and if its late in delivery from ASUS, have a backup laptop that they can send when your dad is in the U.S. (like a Sager). That will ensure you have a good gaming rig either way.

 

I should clarify here. I meant to say that W7 has become better at using the extra cores/threads to extract more performance for itself, not that it can't. And, in regards to the application comment, there I meant that, just because the kernel supports multithreading, it doesn't mean that applications will automatically be able to use multiple threads => they still have to be programmed for it.

Here, I agree that yes, you can tell it how many threads to run, what I wanted to get across is that Cinebench is one type of program that will often have very good scaling because the algorithm is so well suited to running parallel pieces.

I just believe you misinterpreted what I meant to say, but there's nothing wrong with that. And as for being off track, I just mean that we're starting to pick on a single piece of the machine and not talking about it in general. But, as you said, we're close enough on topic it doesn't matter.

 

Man, I'm still contemplating whether I should sell my G51J-A1 and go for the G73JH-A2 or stick with what I’ve got. Don’t get me wrong I love my G51J, but for $160 I could have bought this and it would probably run Bad Company 2 and pretty much everything else significantly better than my current machine. Although I’m not a big fan of the G73’s looks. It looks too simple compared to my current laptop which although still being plastic it has a variety of different textures and some metallic parts here and there, but the G73 pretty much looks like a big chunk of plastic.

 

I think your safest and best bet, is to contact one of the resellers listed here. They best suited for such advice, and are well experienced in international shipping.

 

OK, but nowhere did I talk about the applications support/use of multithreading, I spoke of windows and W7, you added the rest.

Sooo, you're comment was for? (retorical) The benchmark still demonstrates my multithreaded point.

So I misinterpreted what you "meant" to say correcting me for what I "meant" to say. Wow, you really lost me with that off track stuff, (why wouldn't this thread be for picking on a single piece vs. in general of the threads machine) but no worries, be happy and thanks for your input

 

I mentioned earlier some new A-RAM SSDs that are selling for a LOT cheaper than the M series and V+series over here in Oz.

http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=a-ram+128GB&spos=3

170MB/100MB 128GB for $340AUD (alpha),
240MB/140MB 128GB for $366AUD (pro)

V+ is 220/170 128GB for $569AUD

So there are definitely moves downward in price in the market for these badboys

I have no idea about seek times, quality and such, but these prices are DEFINITELY cheaper than the V+s and seem as fast or faster

I have a Tritton 5.1 headset. It's ok, but the little blue box it came with died. That used optical in, but I can't remember if the 9400 just did pass through of DVDs, or used the internal sound card to render the 5.1 then output. Anyway, my solution was to have an expressCard dock with analogue 5.1 outputs. With this new system I will get out my old USB soundcard that will have analogue 5.1s split between a Logitech 530 and the Tritton 5.1 headphones.

 

Im not too familar with turbo boost. From reading this page in the thread it sounds like its a higher clock speed when you reduce the number of cores used and not just an overclock on all the cores.

edit: yep thats the case 5 seconds of google is all I needed.

If thats the case this may not be as big an upgrade for cpu as I had envisioned over my W90. I can do 2.7ghz on all 4 cores on my Q9000 and I know the i7 is faster clock for clock but if it only does like 1.6ghz its not going to make up the difference.

Of course I am sure it will go quite a bit higher than that with some manual overclocking, but how high I do not yet know.

All I can say is its WPrime time

 

Such decisions!

It's the most stylist 'big chunk of plastics' I have seen in quite some time! What? No gaudy colors or flashy lights? Perhaps you just need to take another look!

LOL!

 

You should like it cheese man its a big wedge just like a wedge of cheese

Just paint yours yellow

 

so someone made a key question that im also wondering if i was to order the A2, instead of the A1, would it effect whether i get first shipment, just wondering

 

LOL...... a cheese designed skin!

Contact the resellers...... I think most are showing the A2 in LATE February.

 

Yes/No I think the first wave is all A1,s but that means you get the first shipment of A2's

 

thank you for your help

 

Higher clock speeds help out certain apps correct?

For ex: Pcsx2, winrar, and certain converting programs would be better for higher clock speeds since these only use 50% of your processing power on each core (since it seems thats what they were programmed to do). Adobe cs4 collection, 3ds max, and maya would benefit more from 8 threads correct (i7-720qm)?

"To avoid giving unfair stress to some cpu cores more than others, the OS will, by default, reassign the threads to the core with the least "execution time",
which causes a single-thread application to "jump" between cores spreading the work between them. This is normal, natural, and beneficial to the cpu."

Source: http://forums.pcsx2.net/thread-12342.html

In other words, if more and more apps are programmed themselfs to take advantage of more then 4 threads, then the i7 720qm wins in all shape and form. But since pcsx2, for ex, only uses 2 cores, that 720 will suck for it.

 

You know that's a pretty good idea. If I do purchase this machine then no jokes I'll paint it yellow, but I can't promise I wont end up taking a bite out of it when I've got my craving.

 

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Yep, your'e a crazy joker alright..... a real class act, though I am uncertain what class that is. Anyhow, I am certain not everyone wanted to see that.

 

What? You don't like Sir Mix A Lot? That song is a classic.

 

I've actually been singing that song to myself for the last couple of weeks waiting for this thing

 

A classic? It suits you Joker....

 

I lol'd. <3

 

Actually, I am laughing too..... it's amazing to what end a troll will go, to take a stab or a poke! And it's interesting he just edited his post, by removing the tasteless photo, LOL!

 

someone should make a post containing all the video links and pictures to the G73 that that have appeared in this forum, and repost it every few days. This forum has just become so big its hard to locate stuff

that would make it easy on newcomers and people who like me who have been away for awhile. I wanted to drop by and check out some pics and video from before but i dont want to go through a gazillion pages, just needed a quick fix for my preorder waiting pains

 

You mean like here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=447140

 

let him be.