Asus G51Jx-A1 w/ GTS 360m (GDDR5), now available for pre-sales!

Ouch... They are to be taken with a grain of salt, but I have a feeling that they might be more accurate than I would like them to be in this case.

 

Yeah, that is a very weak showing for a new gaming laptop if those numbers hold true.

 

I guess we have to reserve judgment, because you know how accurate some of these charts tend to be. I can't imagine Nvidia releasing the 360gtsm that actually performs that much worse than the gtx260m. Like people here have said, they are willing to take a SLIGHT hit in performance for better cooling and tdp. I just hope they don't COMPLETELY neuter the card in the name of heat.

 

since my edit went mostly unnoticed, how does the 250m beat the 360m? that questions the validity of the entire chart.

 

Forgot one thing - Asus support in Singapore is supposed to be terrible.

 

Hmm, thinking I'm going to temporarily 'cancel' my G51JX + BlueRay pre-order into real benchmarks and feedback is available. This is starting to smell disappointing. Hopefully we'll all be pleasantly surprised and the product will be fitting for gaming at 1080P.

 

I'm with Thalanix here.
That chart doesn't look right at all.

As long as the warranty valid everywhere I go, I don't care, really.

 

Oh joy, I thought if I called the store I'd find out that like the website said, they would be entirely out of G51J-A1s - but alas, they have 1 at the store, brand new and factory sealed and I now have it on hold. It's $130 less than they are currently offering for G51Jx for preorders - and I could pick it up today or tomorrow at that price.

Now I have a time limit and I really gotta go through everything now, make sure that the BSOD issue is completely resolved, that the G51Jx doesn't have much better battery life, nearly equal performance while having a longer lifespan for the system as a cooler running setup. I've been trying to find any bench at all of the G360M to compare with - these indicators that say it is worse than the G250M is crazy - but if it's true then it's definitely a good idea to go with the J instead... plus save some money...

Ah gotta make a decision fast...

Thanks for all this discussion all, lots of good info here and things to consider.

Peter

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTS-360M.24058.0.html

That link is, as most of us know, about, GTS 360m, but, i saw game benchmarks, from Crysis to MW2, and lots of more... Are those Benchmarks just like guess? GTS 360ms' performance will be like those FPSs?? if you check, there are mobility hd4670, hd 4830, GTS 160ms' Benchmark results, so maybe it shows that, GTS 360m will perform like those ??

 

Well first.. how do they got GTS360M on their hands? AFAIK, there hasn't been any laptop with GTS360M released.

 

On Amazon, there is an extended description of the G51JX. In it it mentions a 3D Mark score of greater than 11000. Thoughts?

"y new class of physical gaming interaction for a more realistic and dynamic experience. The NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M also f eatures 1GB GDDR5 VRAM, which performs significantly better than the standard DDR2 and DDR3 video memory. With a 3DMark score of 11,000+ the performance of the ASUS G51JX is a leap from the other 15-Inch mainstream notebooks that produce scores ranging from 2000 to 3000."

 

The latest Qosmio : X500 has it as well, along with the G51Jx and a couple other new release laptops. With only 3 days until the official release of the G51Jx there is the possibility that some retailers or others have either retailer units or prototypes that they can test.

Can't hurt to ask...

Peter

 

To me it does look worse. I mean the clock speed isn't much higher, while it has fewer ROPS (right?) and fewer cores. But for those that overclock I'd assume it'll overclock better, given that it isn't clocked much higher, yet is smaller and on a smaller die process.

Also I forgot that the 260 it's replacing was underclocked 10%, so...as far as I'm concerned I'm sure it'll be totally fine. (I mean honestly my 32 core part runs Crysis acceptably-look excellent).

 

I saw that as well, but the description is identical to the G51J one so I just assumed someone copied and pasted the statements and assumed that the G51Jx would do better than the previous model. (G51J Statement on Amazon: "The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M also features 1GB GDDR3 VRAM, which performs significantly better than the standard DDR2 video memory. With a 3DMark score of 10,000+")

Also on the benchmark front, the only way that the GS360M should do worse than the GS250M is if the resolution or some other setting were higher on the test system with the GS360M. Especially with FHD 1920x displays out, if they compare numbers from those native resolutions with numbers for systems with much lower native resolutions like 1366x, then of course there would be a huge difference.

Peter

 

Did you check the link??
If you did, you should not have that kind of question ,
Their benchmarks are the benchmarks from other GPUs that might perform nearly the same performance with GTS 360m. For give some ideas to people maybe OR, something else, i don't know i hope i will get on my hand the GTS360m on 4th of February. 2 more dayyss!!

 

That post wasn't directed to notebookcheck.net benchmark. I was trying to say that the videobenchmark isn't really the number people should be looking for.

 

Agreed videobenchmark.net has no information on any of the other system stats - we can't rely on it without that info, and that's why 3DMark and others give you more details. Unless the rest of the system is identical and runs at the same resolution, bus speed, etc... you can't compare them as apples to apples.

It gives us a minimum of what is possible with some system that may or may not have the right drivers, an old OS, bad BIOS settings, etc, etc... - or may be overclocked all the way up there, depending on who submitted it and on what system it was run. We really can't use these numbers on their own...

 

Here is what NotebookCheck.net says:

With the footnote:

All the info and rankings and so on it has appear to be based on the paper specs without anything beyond that. So I don't know how accurate that is at all either...

 

16 -> 8 ROPs and 56 -> 32 TMUs. the lower performance isn't all that surprising i guess. it would take a hefty overclock to get it up to the gtx260m, probably more than the card can handle.

 

Yeah, you're probably right...does it really only have 8 ROPS though? That seems like a HUGE downgrade for only having 16 fewer cores! I assume my 32 core part has 8 ROPS...so that's weird.

 

that's what the gts260m has, and it's almost certain that it's a rebadge of it. pretty weak increase in core speed over it too.

 

ASUS G51JX-A1 is in and shipping begins today

 

WHAT?! No wayyyy! This was totally unexpected.

 

Yup

Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!

 

paladin44, do you think there's a chance that G73Jh will arrive early also?

 

So far the ASUS N71JQ-A1, ASUS N61JQ-A1 and ASUS G51JX-A1 have all arrived "early"...if by "early" you don't count the original mid to late January ETA.

 

yeah, I didn't count the original ETA.
you're getting my hopes up! jeez! lol Thanks for these updates!

 

So you have them in stock?!

 

yes, he does.

 

All three are in stock, but supply is limited on all of them.

 

Benchmark! Benchmark! I demand benchmark!

 

Benchmarks will be available tomorrow or the day following. Our first G51JX arrives tomorrow AM

 

My Supplier has one in stock and in his hands. It was originally being held for me but I already ordered an Alienware m15x because of the delay. Let me know if anyone is interested in it. PM me if you want it.

 

Just got a notice from my dealer (GentechPC) that I'm now 'under build'. (Ordered mine with 8Gb and Blu Ray)... will be 3 or so days before ship, but I guess good news.... Hoping to see some good benchmarks that put my mind at ease...

 

What the!? I hope a G73 pops out of that box of Jx's! lol

 

Here you go, 720CPU @ 2.968Ghz :

 

does GPU-Z see the ROP count? thats a pretty giant difference from the 250m... no way a card with a similar cores*clock and a render backend chopped in half could beat it by that much. i'm not doubting the result, but a 300 better score in GPU seems nigh impossible

looking forward to some game benchies.

 

a bit higher than G51J !

 

Wow! That's great news. I really didn't expect it to score higher than the GTX 260m in anything.

 

HIGHER than it? Okay, something is off here. I mean the ROP count-I just had a hard time believing it would be the same as my 32 core part. Cut down maybe, but HALF?

At any rate, it's sounding good! I don't mind the lower heat/power consumption. My biggest complaint now is the super high resolution screen. Maybe there will be a cheaper model with a lower resolution screen like before. That's higher resolution than my 22" monitor is, and it's WAAAAAAAAAAY high enough resolution. I'm fine with 1366 or whatever in a 15.6/16"/whatever screen.

 

Just found this over at Newegg. Wasn't there before today I don't believe. It's a G51Jx- X1. The only difference I see here between the base model at Xotic is the downgrade to 4 GB of RAM. Still has the same i7 and GTS 360m of course. Only $1300 too.

@Wolfpup. I believe BestBuy is coming out with the G60 again, that's pretty much the same thing but with a lower resolution 16'' screen.

Edit: You can find some details about the G60jx here, but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere yet or pricing.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=449206&highlight=asus+magazine

 

Wolfpup: You can always set your screen res lower right?

I'm very excited about this laptop. Thanks for posting it, Ken.

Any comments about heat dissipation from this laptop?

 

single trial run with stock 260m speeds. keep in mind my win7 is probably worse off than a lab rat, as it gets <9.5k in 3dmark06. i'd expect others to do slightly better.
http://service.futuremark.com/home.action?resultId=1854152&resultType=19

edit: looks like my diabolical experiments have cut CPU in half from what i've seen, interesting...

 

This is awesome - Great to get all these details, I'm thinking maybe the 51Jx might be the one for me too .

I have to say that the 1920x screen is one of the high points of this system, one of the things that sets it apart from just about all the others I've been considering. I have the high res version of the S96J, the Z96JS with it's 1680x1050 screen and that extra real estate is great. Having even more with 1920x would be awesome - full HD, pair this up with a Blu-ray drive and you can get the full experience. I know native always looks better - so if you just want 1366x there are tons of other laptops out there for you, including the larger screened G60s or any one of hundreds of other laptops with that res - but for a 15.6" to have this FHD is rare - and I really like it

Please post more accurate data on this system and any differences you see between it and the previous model G51J - this is great .

Thanks very much,
Peter

P.S. What is up with the G51JX-X1 anyway? Is it completely identical to the the A1 except with only 4gb of RAM instead of 8? Amazon for example shows their G51JX-A1 as coming with 6GB of RAM... of course they also say the JX only has 2 RAM slots as well - hmmm... A whole new designation depending on how many RAM chips it comes pre-packed with...?

 

waiting for some game benchs then i got my final decision

 

OMG! Is it true that the Jx is even better than the original J?

 

Not necessarily.

There's only 1 test result so far, too early to tell.

Thalanix, when you mean stock GTX260m speeds, do you mean stock Asus GTX260M speeds, or stock speeds?

 

Likewise, I've been considering G51 series as candidate due to 1920x1080 screen res on 15.6" size. There isn't many laptop with this setting and offer so much power in very good price.

 

The J holds it's own in the one benchmark we've seen when it is at Stock Clocks - but not necessarily with the default card clocks that ASUS put on it to prevent overheating, or so I've read into it so far. We need more data, more synthetics but also some real world gaming scenarios... a check of the specs to see if ASUS changed the clocks from stock on this model as well would be nice to know and a battery life test would be really nice as well....

For the results of this one synthetic benchmark so far with a comparison between the two (all the data we have so far):

Here is the default G51J with the original clocks from ASUS (from XoticPC):



And once again, here is the G51Jx today (from GenTechPC):



The CPU Scores differ just a bit, within a fairly small margin of error - but the GPU Scores are another matter...

 

Will there be a setup for the G51 that costs $999 or below? Perhaps a G51 with an i5 and 4GB of RAM could? I was planning on getting the current model G60 for $899 but if this is really that much better for a bit more, I'd really like to take a good look at this before I pull the trigger on a laptop.

Edit: nevermind that's probably really unlikely