Asus G53, the smaller version of the G73jh

this is very very sexy.... I was expecting a huge dissapointment....
that just makes me wonder how bad the GTX 480 is gunna be..... yeah its gunna be hotter than a s ... But if the little brother can do that.... i cant wait to see some real life results of the GTX 480...

 

This laptop is gonna be really popular once it's finally released and for those people that are going to get the BestBuy version I hope they don't downclock the GPU like in some past ASUS gaming laptops.
Does anyone have the dimensions of this laptop compared to the G73?
I can't find them anywhere!
Well all we can do is wait now and hopefully it's out sooner than later.

 

yeah im pretty stoked for it,,, do u think it will come with a 1080p or 720?
im scared its gunna be 720

 

BestBuy model will more than likely come with a 1366x768 screen res with the configurable models from resellers having the option for 1080P screen res.

 

1366x768 in a >15" G53 is like keeping cattle in 5 star hotel (kidding)

 

Hi ppl I'm new to this forum.
I've been following this thread for awhile already was tempted to buy G73 until I came to know abt the release of G53. As I travel alot so 17" might not be feasible for me. Can't wait to get my hand on this baby!!!

 

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Hello Ken, any new release date information about the G53. Have you received SKU's for it or any other info in regards to delays.
Thanks.

 

ETA for G53 is sometimes around end of September or early October, but you know how Asus ETA is, never accurate.

 

Would you happen to know it's dimensions?

 

That I don't know yet.

 

According to the card that Asus put up during Computex, the G53 dimensions are 381x290x60mm

ASUS ROG G53 at Computex 2010 - Engadget Galleries

 

Some more GTX460M information I got from nVidia:

Stone Giant DX11 Benchmark

Setup:

- i7-720QM
- 1920x1080
- Driver Version: R256
- Tessellation= High

Result: around 24 FPS.

 

how is that compaired to a Stock G73jh-a2?

 

Ken,

Are they giving you the same ETA for the G73jw as well?

 

the G53 at Computex looked a LOT like a non-functioning display model, again, just check the back of the laptop (you can see sorta a gluey seam), and that it was in a glass case thus inaccessible. makes me sorta uneasy. The G73JW i'm confident that it'll be released before the back to school season, it's just an easy step-up build from the older G73. The G53 has to be radically redesigned from the G73 to actually cram itself into a 15.6" frame, which is why I'm assuming the Computex model might actually have been just a non-working display model. G73JW was already functional at the show for people to look at, touch, etc., the G53 wasn't. What I'm trying to say is just that the G73JW I think will be a lot easier to release compared to the G53, the G53 might take a little longer.

 

so this gpu is less efficient than the 5870?

 

That would be a great comparison!
Great idea man!
Anyone willing

 

Thanks. But errr...this makes my decesion even harder. I guess I'll wait and see how the Mobility HD5870 compares against the GTX 460m.

BTW it's interesting to see the GTX 460m have more GDDR5 memory than its desktop counterparts. Anyone know why this is?

 

someone suggested that it was to work with the 3D tech better

 

bump for knowledge

 

3D.....blah!
I have no interest in it whatsoever.
I'm my opinion still not developed enough. And who wants to wear a pair of glasses unless you need them.

 

YouTube - Asus G73JH & DX11 Stone Giant Benchmark Runs w/ Free Camera ATi 5870m 1080res

For g73jh 5870m
Test run 1 17fps
Test run 2 27fps
Test run 3 23fps
Test run 4 18fps

I dunno now what to do. Was going to buy g73jh this monday but now im debating on maybe waiting for g73jw

 

And the person in that video is using the same CPU as nvidia's (supposed) test.

If nVidia isn't blatantly lying, the GTX 460m is going to be a fierce competitor to what ATI is offering right now.

 

Ok, looks like I will go for the new G53. yay for chaning laptops every year

Well, the new fermi GPUs are supposedly good in DX11 so it is no surprise that this GTX460m is able to compete with the radeon HD5870 in that deparment. I'm sure that the radeon is still more powerful overall but the good thing is... it is faster than the GTX260m! even if for a bit

And I like 3D, so I guess the screen will be 1366x768 res? After using 1920x1080 maybe I will miss it, but I already have a nice external monitor so its alright.

 

Great find!
This tells us the 460GTX is about 7-8FPS better than the 5870 on high settings in DX11,( for that test anyway) how that translates to actual gaming performance is anybodies guess but it seems the 460GTX is more than holding it's own against the 5870.
This makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
So far so good.

 

The ETA is around end of September or early October but again, it's only ETA and we never know how accurate the ETA is.

I guess 460M takes advantage on DX11 games in real world, we don't know too much about it but at least the benchmarks will give us some idea.



Here is another benchmark that might tell us more about the GTX 460M compare to 5870:

Unigine DX11 benchmark

Setup:
- i7-720QM
- Win7 64b
-1920x1080, AA=4x, Aniso=16x
- Unigine Heaven 2.0
- Shader = High, Tessellation = Extreme
- Drivers: R256

Result:
GTX 460M: around 12 FPS.
GTX 480M: around 14 FPS.

 

It seems that GTX460m will be a little slower than GTX480m but will be much cooler and consume less power (so it will create less noise etc)

Perfect for notebooks, i bet Nvidia can even outperform GTX480m with the GTX460m if they want but they decided to limit it.

I expect GTX485m to be announced for the year end using GF104/GF106.

 

Also if MSI can fit GTX285 in a 16 laptop then Asus should have no issues to fit GTX460m in a 15.6 laptop (G53 is more like 16.5 though and G73 is almost 18)

Newegg.com - MSI GT660R-004US NoteBook Intel Core i7 740QM(1.73GHz) 16" 6GB Memory 1TB HDD 7200rpm BD Combo NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285M

 

MSI GX660-053US 15.6" HD LED Intel® Core™ i5 Gaming Notebook 9S7-16F121-053
This has a much better GPU if your comparing MSI laptops.
Between the G53 and this MSI it's a tough choice

 

The MSI GX660 has excelent specs but there is only one problem.
You just can't put a 1366x768 screen on a gamer laptop...

 

That's your opinion.
I know it's a touchy subject with some people but for me it's fine as long as it's a good quality screen.
I guess I'm used to having that res because it does not bother me one bit.
For me it's perfectly fine on a 15.6" screen.
Just my 2 cents.

 

IMO I'd go with that MSI option with the HD5870M over this one.

Few things people keep forgetting with DX11 Tessellation...

1). There are 16 million DX11 ATi now in gamers hands. If a gaming studio were to develop a DX11 tessellation game, they will have to make it with ATi users in mind. There simply aren't that many Nvidia DX11 users, very few. So if there was tessellation, will not require an Nvidia.

2). The 2nd part to keep in mind. ATi vs Nvidia, ATi wins handedly in DirectCompute (GPGPU), texture fill rate and polygon count. And with current game trends, texture fill rate and polygon count matters more than tessellation does by a long shot. What Nvidia does do better is with Anti-Aliasing, but as most gamers have noticed, on a 15.6" or 17" screen AA is not needed.

3). If the rumors and all the tech news is correct, you should start seeing notebooks with ATI 6xxx series near end of this year. Why not wait a few months?

4). What are the big upcoming games? Deus Ex 3, Dragon Age 2, Star Wars Republic, Guild Wars 2, FF XIV etc more MMOS, Dead Redemption for PC possibly, Witcher 2, Rage from ID... None of these games will require tessellation. Just keep that in mind.

But yes agreed, exciting a G53 will be available. But for the 15.6" market, sorry I'd go with MSI or Alienware on this one with a HD5870 instead.

As for 3D vision? C'mon even users with GTX 480 are saying that 3D vision is struggling with all that power.

 

Hate to break it to you guys...

Nvidia DX11 marketing is really laughable. 12-14 FPS I can tell you is constant stuttering the whole way. IMO you guys should be more asking, how does the 460M do in real games like BC2 where the HD5870M is getting around 50-60 FPS with everything on and maxed.

Watching this being benched at around 12 FPS I can tell you was pathetic. It's watching a really fast slideshow, no joke. Nvidia really should stop marketing their DX11 thing, I agree with many others, this being implemented in games where it will make a difference is years away.

 

G73jh comparison is
YouTube - Asus G73JH DX11 Heaven 2.0 Benchmark Tessellation at 1080res ATI 5870m i7 720QM CCC 9.12

Unigine Heaven = avg 17.8 with 5870m
Min 9.5
Max 43.6

 

Do you mind posting some links to 15'' with 5870 that are not Sager 8690... to what i remember the AW M15X has a 5850 so is the GX640, there might be newer that i dont know, so if you have any info would be great.

 

MSI GX660-053US 15.6" HD LED Intel® Core™ i5 Gaming Notebook 9S7-16F121-053
Here you go

 

Thanks for the link IKAS V, 1366x768 res idk, given that i dont really mind the res, the price is almost a sager 8690 with 1 slot cooling... with the GX640 having high temps easy on a 5850... not sure what to expect out of it, certainly an option... but at this price range... i would probably chose the Sager 8690 over the GX660, but ill wait to see what the GTX460m ends up to be, already have a GTX480 and a 30'' for my desktop for sc2 ... and in SC2 nvidia seems to have the lead over ati, probably its more drivers since the 58XX is a great series... but with more time than nvidia i would have guessed that they would have a lead on drivers, i guess somethings remain the same over time. Either way im no rush atm as im broke... so ill wait to see what comes in the next few months.

 

I really hate these kinds of posts. I'm about to RMA a Envy and now I see this and can decide if I should wait for it... : (

 

Yep. Have to say after owning a dual fan system, for high end GPU it's something I don't want to lose. It makes the notebook more bulky and less energy efficient, but whatever, don't have to worry about overheating is a huge relief.

 

One thing I am excited about for the G53and the G73 nvidia version is to see if Asus uses the same MXM slot as the G73jh. If they do, that means there may be a chance if Asus supports future ATi card we can upgrade our notebooks.

That would be delicious.

 

right on, the dell lappy I'm using right now (not enjoying it either) has a single rear-exhaust heatsink/fan combo that's stuck onto a T2300 and a NVS120M. Even with those two old components, the fan blazes whenever I go and attempt to do some mild gaming on it. GPU heat and CPU heat were never meant to mix, hehe.

 

...even low/mid-end video cards can max out SC2 at decent FPS.

 

What about the Vantage scores that Ken passed on? Those seem none too shabby.

As far as I know Vantage doesn't use the DX11 gimmick, so it was a fairly level playing field.

It doesn't give the full story an in-game comparison would, but it looks to be a strong performer.

nVidia or not, I'm quite anxious to see what this machine can do.

Why only ATI?

 

Should be the same MXM slot, according to nVidia the 460M will be MXM 3 type b.

 

Not really. Nvidia only provided Ken an estimate, 8000-9000 is a huge range, it's a 100 overclock both on core/memory for HD5870 difference. And as many have realized, Nvidia never seems to be very upfront with their benchmarks and their scores are often very different from user/review benchmarks.

But I would expect similar scores as the 460 seems to be priced at the same price as the HD5870M. But I am interested when it does come out how it fares as the HD5870M has much higher texture and polygon fill rate than the 460 will have.

I expected that, but Asus seemed to have variations on size/reverse etc. Believe Mandrake showed that the W90's HD4870 and G73's HD5870 were both MXM 3.0 but the HD5870 was wider than HD4870 so you couldn't fit the HD5870 in a W90.

 

still, how do you think they'll be able to stuff in a G73 into a 15.6" frame, still questioning that. from what I see in the G73, in order to keep with actual STANDARD equipment sizes, they're gonna have to maybe cram the fans a bit closer to the outside, and make that motherboard a whole lot freaking smaller than it already is...even then it's gonna be a really really tight fit.

 

Given that SC2 isnt meant to be very demanding on the gpu, i wouldn't stretch it to say a low end card can deliver decent framerate at 1080p with AA. A 310m has very sloppy framerate at ultra setting even at 1366x768 (i tested beta on my brothers laptop), its fine on medium but no AA nor high res. SC2 scales very well and it will allow mostly any half decent or recent computer/laptop to play the game fine, probably even old ones if you can compromise settings, but not fully maxed out.

I dont think its a usual 15.6 frame.... i see more like 16.5, it has a an extra back as the G73, so its usually bigger than frame it should be.... now how to fit the G73 on the G53..... who knows for sure, but the G73 tends to be very narrow on the front where the palm rest ends, what im expecting is the G53 to be thicker there so they can fit hdd where the palmrest is, so they can fit all in a similar design.

 

the thing that somewhat worries me is that if you look at some of engadget's shots, it appears that the motherboard now takes up the entire width of the laptop (note all the ports fill up the right side of the laptop). hdd would have to be in a complete new place, maybe one under the palmrest and one next to the optical bay.

 

1680x1050 be perfect. but i gues that res is more for 16:10 screens. if asus screens are 16:9 whichi dont know then best res would be 1600x900 for the performance of the card to max everything.

 

Judging by the G73, this thing will be more than a pain to take apart. That's the one thing, which is keeping me from considering the new Asus machines.

I don't want to take the whole motherboard apart, just to change out the CPU.