Asus G53, the smaller version of the G73jh

Real and official are different things, the test is based off of the leaked i5 2400 even before IDF. The iPhone 4 leak was real too but it wasn't official until WWDC. The article only speculates on release dates so we can't take them seriously either. I'm talking about official Intel previews based on the final product.

 

Release date is official and final by intel, what is your argument?

 

I thank you HSN21 for providing me with the sandy bridge details, but alas, I cannot wait. As soon as I find out if G73JW is without any Gsod, or G73jh-B1 without any GSOD. I will buy either of them whichever is available!

Both B1 and JW are untested by reviewers

 

There should be no argument at all here, If you read my first comment, it states that Intel might be giving a official preview of the other sandy bridges at CES 2011, and then you said, they gave out official previews already but then you gave me an article that wasn't it, so is my first statement completely false? yes or no?

 

I'm staying with the G73. I'm going to buy a desktop within 5 years anyways, so I don't need the most advance hardware. The G73jw is still Wicked, and will do a great job.

 

Well I hope you hang in there. The GF104 has already been delayed by Nvidia, the GF104 was announced in March!!! Even Asus's delay with G73jh wasn't this bad. Everyone was thinking it would be in July, then August and well we are at September.

Anyways, I think you chose and excellent machine and hang in there. I just hope the 120hz LCD looks as awesome as their the 60hz 1080p LCD.

 

I'm not getting the 3D screen, so I hope the 15'' 1080p screen turns out as nice its big brother.

 

I agree...with all these upgrades and power hungry laptops coming out you wonder if they will ever make a excellent performance laptop that will last without being by a plug. It's sad you have to carry an extra brick in your bag. My desktop rocks and I need the performance in a laptop but I am going to hate carring around the brick charger. Will they ever get rid of this thing in the future?

 

yea, x2. kinda makes it closer to a desktop than a laptop.

 

every laptop has a "brick". the brick serves as a AC/DC inverter, and is required for a laptop to be supplied with a proper DC current with enough wattage to run it. you can easily build it into a laptop, but, that would 1. weigh and unbalance the laptop 2. eat up a lot of room for other plugs 3. eat up internal room for electronics 4. significantly heat up the laptop. basically, it's just a LOT more logical to have it external.

 

There is something very interesting with nvidia latest driver, it mention GTX470m, so the previous leaks were kinda correct

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NVIDIA_DEV.0E23.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GTS 455)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DC4.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DC5.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DC0.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 440)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DE1.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 430)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DE2.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 420)

NVIDIA_DEV.0E30.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470M

NVIDIA_DEV.0DD1.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DD2.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 445M)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DD3.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 435M)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DF2.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 435M)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DF0.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 425M)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DF3.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 420M)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DF1.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 420M)

NVIDIA_DEV.0DEE.01 (NVIDIA GeForce GT 415M)
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Maybe G73 is getting GTX470m and G53 is getting GTX460m?

 

This is what a few people were guessing/predicting earlier this summer when no info the GPU was available (myself included) but since then the pre-order websites that came and went all mentioned a GTX460m in the G73JW.

We'll have to wait and see.

 

If the G73jw comes with a 470m, I'll be a happy man. What a twist that would be.

 

Dream on. We've already seen confirmation of 460M and Asus can't afford the 470M anyways, financially won't make sense to them unless they sell the G73 for $2K. Either way, speculating or wishing is needless as the 460M has already been confirmed. Xotic, GenTech everyone has already confirmed it's a 460M.

In AMD News

The HD6xxx has more benchmarks. For Performance Vantage, it is 25,000. And the Unigine 2.1 score is higher than that of GTX 480 with extreme tessellation.

The single HD6800 card is about the same power as HD5970 and a little lower than TWO HD5870 with 2GB of memory with volt mod and overclock...

Looks like G73jh will be my last high performance notebook, I'll move to the HD6xxx desktop and find myself a 15" for mobile use 8 hours of battery or something.

Personally I think the HD6xxx will be the first DX11 card that will be capable of DX11 gaming with whatever developers can throw at it.

 

You coulda added that ATI is no more in the AMD news =(

 

R.I.P. Ati

 

Here is the other half, with mobile parts.

Homer

 

Sandy bridge really doesn't seem to be a good upgrading option unless you need a full system refresh. The sandybridges will new different sockets, so you need a new mother board. That's a bit much, if you're looking for a new CPU and end up with a new mother board too. Plus some of those guys in the responses below raise interesting points. If intel makes chips that need new motherboards, who says they'll stick with those sockets for their future cpu's? Sounds highly suspect.

 

I feel the same way...The MSI660r will be my last high performance notebook for a long while, unless they come up with something in the future to better the power consumption. The average 2 hour battery life just kills these notebooks.

 

I'm looking for a laptop as a desktop replacement. I'm not going to want to buy one now that I will regret in March. I know, I know, there will always be something better in 3+ months but not potentially this much better...

Homer

 

That post was about the upgradability issues of the sandy bridge, as in the sandy bridge CPU won't fit on the motherboards that don't have the sockets required, and that since intel changed the required sockets, who says they'll stick to those sockets on future releases.

 

Well, I may be alone at the end of this but I'll probably be one of the first ones on the pre-order list for the G53. Hopefully Friday/Saturday will be illuminating and we'll have some actual news to discuss.

 

You are correct. Very sorry. I actually lost track of which thread we were on, here, as I am following both of them with much interest. )

 

You are right. I lost track of which thread this was, as I am following both of them with much interest. Sorry to pull things even farther afield.

 

Valuable information and thoughts in here, for me, also. Thanks for being so thorough!

 

The discussions on the 660 are narrowly related to the G53, and it is a viable option. No damage done, and after all, its not like we have much else to talk about...

 

You are not alone on the wait for the G53/G73 comrade. And yes, hopefully Friday or staturday will revive the talks of these laptops on this thread, and hopefully make me drool all the way to the release date.

 

I would be very sorry if anyone felt I was flaming. I intended only to offer an analysis of why the lights seemed like an amazing design blunder to some people, in response to a person who asked "what's wrong with them?" Someone who likes the lights might really want to understand the impression they give to others. It might make all the difference in whether they would use the computer at work, for example.

Beauty is indeed always in the eye of the beholder, but it is not entirely random, and it is almost never simple under the surface. There are usually subconscious reasons or rules determining that anything looks good or bad to anyone; delving them out and articulating them, and making them useful, is a project of art criticism, and philosophy, and perceptual psychology, and cultural anthropology. I am accustomed to impersonal discussion about such things, in such contexts. I meant to be explanatory, not insulting to anyone in any way.

 

I will be very interested in the cooling abilities of the top-configured Asus G53 and of the top-configured MSI 660R. I hope someone will do a head-to-head comparison of them.

Is anyone planning to do a heat test of their G53 immediately after getting it? What are good ways to do that?

 

Neven - I honestly don't care what people talk about in this thread (as long as it loosely relates to the G53), I'm just happy to once again have some traffic. It's always a slight letdown when I load the page and see that no new posts have been up since the last time I checked.

 

Agreed. As long as it's still alive by the time we get to good details, and the specs are released (hopefully on septembre third... Or any details would be good really), it's all good.

 

Okay, I do not see how to totally delete a post...so I'll just say that a while ago I wrote something here that was completely confused, and which Ziddy corrects below, so don't bother to read this spot.....nothing to see here...move along, move long....

 

Almost everything here is wrong.

The GTX 460M is a GF106 while the GTX 480M is the slowest of the GF100. My guess the GTX 470M will be a GF104.

460M will likely be the slowest mid-range card nVidia will make, rest will be entry-level. The 460M will likely be underclocked, just like the GTX 480M is severely underclocked.

460M is 252 Cores with 192 Bit GDDR5. While HD5870M has 128 Bit, the memory controller feeds two quad output @ 32 bit, 460M will be one @ 64 bit. The HD5870M you can have the memory speed safely around 1200. Not sure about 460M, but I know the desktop 480 only runs at 900, pretty much all it can handle, not taking advantage of the 384 bit bandwidth...

 

ATi supports much faster ram than Nvidia does. GDDR5 isnt just GDDR5.

For example, the GDDR5 in a GTX 480 runs around 900. The GDDR5 for HD6870 looks to be around 1,600.

So 1.5 GB vs 1 GB from 460M vs HD5870 will it really be noticable? I doubt it. My guess the 460M GDDR5 will be running slower than 900 while HD5870M can run it around 1100 minimum and with a good cooling system, 1200 easily.

 

Yea I think this discussion post is fine...All this info is great and it's nice to see all the comparisons to Asus G53 etc. Peace out.

 

Im thinking about going on the same road with u.. Asus UL80VT,,

 

Ziddy, I must be doing too much of my reading late-night and fuzzy-headed. I see you are right that neither the GTX 460 nor the 460M is a low bin product from the Fermi GF100; the GF104 on which the GTX 460 is based is built smaller, and the anandtech reviewer believes

"Unlike GF100, outright poor yields don’t appear to be a huge factor here. Our impression from discussing the issue with NVIDIA is that GF104 is yielding around where it should be for a chip of its size..."

NVIDIA?s GeForce GTX 460: The $200 King - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

And this site speculates that the 460M will be based on the GF106, even more modest
Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M

Do those specs pretty much agree with your information source, Ziddy?

I care about excellent antialiasing. I am willing to turn it down a bit to gain speed when needed, but among a choice of roughly comparable cards I want the one that gives best antialiasing at its maximum AA setting (unless that means poor color depth and contrast ratio). I think I prefer NVidia because of that. But the 460M is quite a bit weaker that I had realized. Hmmmmm......

 

Thanks Ziddy.

 

Got it..Thanks for the repost.

 

I need a laptop. If it weren't for the mobility of a laptop, I would just get a desktop. So I'll buy a laptop and then get a desktop later in life, when the specs of the G73jw start to get a bit outdated.

 

Sorry, but from what moment did the 460m turn to a 252 core GPU? I was under the impression it was a 192 core, 192 bit 1.5GB GDDR5 part.

Did they increase it's specs suddenly?

 

I think it's a 192. Where did you see a 256?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-460M.33612.0.html

These guys say a 192.

 

I think by the time we will get more info for 460m, this thread will reach 460 pages!

 

G73JH-B1 user review!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/514317-g73jh-b1-user-review.html

 

so much for the theory that the B1 would be free of the problems that tormented the A1-A2 owners. O well, the wait continues for the jw model!

Why is Canada receiving stuff b4 us

 

I was shocked to see the G73jh-B1 review up while searching, I know that this will go a long way to help people decide whether or not to buy the B1 or wait for JW

 

Where did this theory came from?
The B1 is just an A1 with a different CPU.

 

GTX 460M is a 192 core/192 bit part based on GF106.

I don't know where Ziddy is coming up with 252 since you can't get that core count out of clusters of 48...or even 16 or 32 for that matter (those could give 25 6 core counts though).


There might be a GF106 part with a 240 core count for GTX 470M but there's no solid info on that yet. GTX 470M could also be a 320 core part based on GF100 like the latest Quadro FX5000M.

 

I didn't know the 460M official specs were out already since there is an NDA from Nvidia atm. My numbers were based on the GF106. I didn't realize Nvidia had to nerf the GF106 to make the 460M. But hehe, even then was wrong, the estimate I've read from TechPowerUp and others was GF106 would be 256 core.

192 core, that's even weaker than I thought. Well makes sense to me, can't have a 460M nearly performance of a 480M or no one would buy a 480M. And 460 does imply Mid-Range performance.

So this only furthers my suspicion this is just for the 3D Vision Gimmick. Look at the first 3D Vision Notebook, used a 260M. My guess, just out of the air then is, 460M being around 20-30% faster than a 260M. Same as 480M being around 30% faster than a 280M.

 

Maybe 3 days to go to maybe more details!!!!