Asus G60-JX @ BestBuy fir $999.99

There is no way to control fan throttle thresholds on the G51vx, so I'm assuming the same holds true for the G60jx.

 

I really, really wish this would fix it - but trust me, I've run literally hundreds of 3DMark06 tests (not including 3DMarkVantage, PCMark, and others) with my system since getting it over a month ago for my review, the throttling investigations, PSU tests, driver tests, multiplier adjustments, GPU overclocks, GPU underclocks, you name it - I've probably run it. I admit I haven't done much on battery as I don't want to stress it and don't plan to want to really push things while on battery.

It's not just me - you can check out the G51Jx-A1 thread for more benches people ran, actually in general it's turning it lower than what I got...

It'd be great if someone else can run a stock bench and tell what the PSU and BIOS versions are?

Yep, I can confirm this unfortunately. That sort of ACPI custom control is just not available right now.

Thanks,
Peter

Update: Added a thread specifically about the performance differences so as not to hijack the thread: G51JX-A1/X1/X3 GTS360M performance significantly lower than G60JX GTS360M - Investigation Thread

 

Any issues so far with this model? Like BSOD/freezing-lockups etc?

I want to recommend this model to someone but I rather make sure this one is problem free

 

Dang...this model is pretty tempting, but I'm super iffy on it because of the G51j/jx BSOD problem. Plus I do wish it had internal Blu Ray (and where the heck is Nvidia's driver update that supports the 360 already? As long as it's coming, I suppose the stock driver is fine for now.) Wish it had a second drive bay too, since I've gotten used to the idea that I was going to buy an Intel SSD for my primary drive

Only problem with Nvidia's mobile GPUs was back with the 8600 line. They were hit with an unforeseeable manufacturing issue-apparently similar to what the Xbox's GPU was hit with. Before or after that, they've been great.

Yeah, seems that way to me. GPU ends up similar. CPU is faster at the same clock speed, but clocked 250MHz slower, so...

Hmm...don't know, very tempting though, but I need to hear all the BSOD issues are fixed (all the problem games tried too).

 

Can someone with a G60JX run a stock 3DMark Vantage run and report the scores please?

Thanks a lot,
Peter

P.S. It's ok, the tests were all run at 1366x768 rather than the standard 3DMark06 1280x1024 resolution - so 20% fewer pixels = 20% faster performance on the G60JX. So we are equal

 

I see that the i7 version of the g60jx (JX066X) actually has bluetooth, I would be willing to bet that it's the same motherboard so I'm assuming it's probably a module with a pin adapter?! Does anyone know which Bluetooth module off the estore (ASUS) works with this model (if it is a module and not directly on the board)?

 

Where is that G60jx066x available?

 

Peter, what resolution were you running 3dmark on?

 

I wasn't going to copy the post here, but since you asked though and it does apply to you directly:

Thanks,
Peter

P.S. So if you are able to run a test at 1280x1024 (which must be possible if NC reported it and based on what I've read and despite it not being fully display-able on the panel) then please do and post the results . It may be that they forced it by using an external monitor - if you can confirm in 3DM06 that 1280x1024 is disabled by default (since it is beyond the panel max) that would be good to confirm as well, thanks.

 

http://au.shopping.com/xPO-ASUS-G60JX-JX066X-720QM-1-6-500-16-W7P

http://www.asusnotebook.com.au/2096...ok-Intel-Core-i7-Quad-720QM-with-Win-7-Pr.php


.au though

 

Darn...that would be just about perfect for me! (although I'd like a second drive bay).

Still, hopefully we won't hear about BSOD issues on these suckers, 'cause the U.S. one isn't bad either.

 

Well, we already know that the 820 will work in them which boosts performance a bit (not bad for $300 on ebay) but what's holding me back right now is if it's a module for bluetooth or if I'm going to have to solder one on. I'd rather not have to break out the meter and play Jacques Cousteau on the mainboard to find the correct leads so I figured I'd ask!

 

Peter, it looks like 3dmark won't even let me run the tests in 1280x1024. The default it's set to is 1280x720. So if you want a true comparison between mine and your computers, try running 3dmark in 1280x720.

 

Just wanted to say that 20% fewer pixels does NOT equate to 20% faster performance.

It does not scale linearly with resolution. Still, fewer pixels rendered, usually increases performance a bit, depending on resolutions. I say usually because there are actually GPUs that perform better at higher resolutions lol.

 

Hey Viper, you mind opening up cpu-z (or installing it if you don't have it) and telling me what it's reporting the chipset in your g60jx to be please?

 

Sure I can do that. I think though that you posted a 1366x768 test that I used which answers the question just as well.

I hear you Ryzeki, the way I came about it though is from actual tests with the same GTS360M GPU @ 1280x1024 vs. viper's 1280x720. In his 1280x720 tests his system was outperforming mine by that expected amount - while at equal 1366x768 tests we were the same. So in this case it did scale and the pixel difference was not a guess but a test value that matched the results

Update:
~30% difference in pixels and the difference in pure GPU performance at stock was approximately 13%. In the overclock tests, the difference was closer to 20%, but it could get much higher depending on the quality of his chip and factoring in that I maxed my GTS360M out at 1280x1024 while he just set a random overclock and tried it out. I was originally assuming that he was running at 1366x since I lacked any data but 3DMark06 was running 1280x720 instead so the pixel difference was even bigger. But to me I'm not trying to argue a theory, just trying to explain the facts so I'm good with it either way - Significantly Fewer Pixels = Significantly Better Performance - Problem Solved

Peter

 

So were the gpu results equal when you did it in 1366x768? And I'll get you the chipset when I get home.

 

Please check out my post one page back - it won't let me quote a quote without copying it directly:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=6000091&postcount=109

Thanks though,
Peter

 

default 3dmark06 settings @ 1366x768 - 9869 score.. stock driver, stock cpu and gpu, 58 processes running in task manager:

 

Thanks a ton!

 

Here you go, here's the chipset info. Let me know if it's the same or different from you guys with the g51jx as I'm interested in seeing if I can get an i7-720qm to work in mine.

 

lol all this time I was asking what BIOS you had incase it was newer - infact you've got Bios Alpha! You should download the new 204 bios from the ASUS website

Everything on that page is ident (Model, version, etc..), except the chipset is coming up as different for me, as is the Link Width and Revision.

G51Jx Chipset: Intel DMI Host Bridge Rev 11
GPU: Link Width x16

Peter

 

Any ideas if my board would recognize the i7? I really want to get one, especially since I found an i7-720qm for $199 + $19 shipping. BTW thanks, I just updated my bios. I didn't even realize there was a newer version out.

 

Thanks for checking it out!

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mobile-core-i7,2443-3.html

I'm almost positive that the i7's will work with the HM55 with their BIOS. I posted up earlier that we knew but to be honest; I was going off that cat from Germany's post up that he was using one but he never replied which model he had. So I guess in reality, we don't know for a fact but I'm 95% sure that this board will now.

On a side note, you mind opening up your covers on the bottom and seeing if it looks like there's a free plug and stand where bluetooth may go? If there is, how many prongs does it look like the plug is?

How long does your battery last when just surfing around? What about gaming?

Thanks!

 

The standard 6 cell lasts around 2 hours. As for gaming I'm not too sure because when I'm on the battery my gpu only reaches half of it's full clock speed.

 

I'm getting a sinking sensation that the Worst Buy G60vx won't be able to accept quads. It happened with my G51vx. Chipset, socket, BIOS... all of it should have supported an OEM QX9300, but in the end the motherboard revision did not. And there was much screaming.

Hmm. Viper, open up your computer and try to find the motherboard revision sticker and record that number. Should be somewhere around the RAM slots. Then we'll need someone with an i7-equiped G60jx or G51jx to do the same. If the numbers match, or if the Worst Buy mobo revision is newer, you might be in luck.

 

I'm going to second what forge has said - the bb version probably only has 2 slots for ram as well.

 

Hopefully that would mean they have an extra hard drive bay. Ah, who am I kidding.

 

I'm thinking about going to BB tomorrow, getting one of the geek squad members over into the computer section with his screwdriver and playing Operation... If I end up going, I'll report what I find here. It's a good possibility that I'd be coming back with one too. LoL

 

I have the same chipset as well (g60jx though) ...

Also I posted 3mark06 scores on the bottom of page 12 ... 9869 marks @ 1366x768 stock .. is this close to what you were getting with stock settings?

**also what OC tool are you using for the gpu? I may as well overclock if temps arent going to get any higher

 

Use Ntune to OC your Gpu.

 

Hello, I bought a G60-JX at bestbuy yesterday after doing some reading here. They had the g60vx on display but not the jx yet, but it was i stock. I wanted a gaming laptop with more than a hour of battery life, and that appears to be what I got! Charge lasted 2 hours, 15 minutes on battery just surfin around the internets, which ought to work out perfect for me those times when i've got an hour to use it not near any outlets. I should note this battery time was with the screen dimmed some and some power saving options turned on. I wanted to see if I could turn on just the integrated i5 graphics and turn off the GTS 360 for potential extended away times from outlets, but I couldnt find an option for it in the bios, in fact there were nearly no options in the bios, is there a newer bios that will allow me to use the i5 graphics do you think? I love the way it looks, it's more understated and classy than the other g series in my opinion. Also very quiet at idle and I dig that keyboard and wristpad. Can't wait to try it out some more when I get home.

 

Sorry, but the i5 is the CPU, there is no integrated graphics - ASUS has some that switch automatically between the two now, but this is a Gaming laptop that lacks that. Glad to hear you got so long out of it though, I think mine ran out at 1hr 45 - but my brightness was probably higher and I had both Wifi and BT on. Enjoy it though

Peter

 

I am aware that the i5 is the cpu, it was my understanding that the arrandale i5 cpu's have integrated graphics on the chip, is this only for a certain series? I am also aware of the nvidia optimus technology available now in some notebooks, i apologize if my posting made me appear more unknowledgable in general than I may be. notebook check leads me to believe that the i5-430 cpu should have integrated graphics:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-430M-Notebook-Processor.23750.0.html Are the integrated graphics in fact not on the chips and still a part of the motherboard chipset as in most computers in the past?

 

It does have integrated graphics packaged with the CPU, but they don't have to be used (thankfully!) as is the case with most higher end notebooks that use the i3/i5.

 

do you mean "don't have to be used" by me, or don't have to be enabled by the manufacturer asus? Is there some way to enable it? this is not an extremely important issue for me and I apologize if my several posts about it make it sound that way, for it is in no way a deal breaker or a dissapointment. it is just something I have very intense curiousity of =) I am away doing work with my laptops half the week and doing intense gaming the other half, so if there's a way I could switch, manually even, to the i5's integrated graphics, to get an extra bit of potential time off-outlet while not in a gaming setting, that would just be pure gravy on top of this machine. delicious gravy.

 

The manufacturer doesn't have to use it. They'd have to make changes to the motherboard and whatnot to enable some kind of switching to it.

 

you're awesome, thanks for the insight!

 

*Lappy is still running stock clocks, no OC'n yet and 57 processes running task manager*

I'm getting a very good 72-90 fps on bc2 in various battles with High textures, High details, low shadows, low effects.. went into my settings.ini file and changed the renderer to 9 instead of auto and these are my settings:

[WindowSettings]
Width=1366
Height=768
Fullscreen=true
RefreshRate=59.999001
VSync=false
[Sound]
Quality=medium
VoipEnable=true
SpeakerCount=0
[Graphics]
Effects=low
Soldiers=high
Vehicles=high
Overgrowth=high
Undergrowth=high
StaticObjects=high
Terrain=high
Shadows=low
Bloom=false
HSAO=false
MSAA=2
Water=low
MainQuality=custom
Texture=high
DxVersion=9
Aniso=0
Detail=high
RenderAheadLimit=2
Fov=55

just an fyi if anyone is looking at this lappy for bc2 - it runs great so far.. just a tad warm at 88-89c ..

I've also got hw monitor, Furmark and 3dmark06 data on pages 8, 9 and 12 of this thread

 

also stock settings..

I'm getting a very smooth consistent 80-92fps in MWII since I raised the rear of the lappy to keep it cool (not a big deal, used to do this with my gateway p7805u, but didnt get near as hot as the jx) ... manual settings Extra/Extra/Extra, 2xAA 1360x768, specular on, depth of field off, shadows low.

 

You need some AA badly

 

hmm... at 1366x768 I dont feel like I need it badly ... 2xAA is what I'm ususally content with ... any higher res and yes, I do feel like I would need it badly.

I've been at this a loooong time before gaming laptops ... I know when my eyes need more AA ... to each his own

 

New to the forum but been lurking for awhile trying to figure out what I want to buy. Great info here!

I have been looking at this G60-JX from Best Buy and the G51JX-X3 from Amazon. From what I can tell the G51 has higher res screen, bluetooth, different outer appearance/color, and the ASUS 1 yr accidental damage warranty that BB sells separately. Am I missing any other major differences that I should be aware of?

Does the X3 suffer from any of the BSOD problems that the A1 appears to have? I am leaning towards the X3 from Amazon but if the G60-JX does not BSOD I will go that way since I really want something that is going to be stable. Thanks for any input!

 

To me, the lid actually makes a difference.

G51JX has a lid that screams "hey, look at me, I got a premium laptop. I am a gamer! Would you like to steal it?"

G60'S lid is much more suitable to daily environment...

Btw, you can use bing cashback with BB, not Amazon.

 

Personally I'd go with the G60jx both because we haven't heard of any BSOD problem yet, while the G51jx has it, and personally I vastly prefer the resolution on the G60.

 

Couple question please

Does anyone know if the G60jx supports hardware virtualization and have an on and off selector in the BIOS ?

Did they remove the 2nd HDD option in the G60jx ?

Thanks

 

Went to BB tonight and asked to look under the cover. I was told that they had never had anyone ever ask to do that before, got a good laugh out of it in the beginning.

To answer one of Randy's questions, yes, the 2nd HDD spot is occupied by 1 ram slot. I thought it was stupid how they moved it over there all while taking away the ability to have 4 slots for ram. As for the virtualization, I didn't go into the bios as I was disappointed about the bluetooth module described below.

The original reason for me looking under the cover was all dealing with "if" it could accept a bluetooth module. Unless it's part of the wireless card and plugs into the same spot, I didn't see any free plug for bluetooth. That doesn't mean it's not on a part of the motherboard that you can't see from the cover being open though; but I'm going to bet that it's not supported! This part was kind of a deal breaker for me and it's probably just as well, I really want a laptop that I can have off the plug for around 5 hours but be able to game on. (but it has to have better then a SU series CPU)! Maybe I'll be like alot of the others and wait for the ul30jt or u30jt..whatever it's going to be called. LoL

 

Well, that bites. I hope Asus doesn't make a practice of this. I'd hate to have to move to 17-inchers in order to keep a two-HDD capacity.

 

Then don't get the BB versions

 

Don't the retail versions also sacrifice HDD bays? At least if there's a retail G60jx. The G51jx comes with two HDD bays, yes?