Asus G73JW discussion thread

same as A1, but the 3D screen, which has lower res than FHD.

 

I heard it will be released later. Just be aware that it will probably be a few hundred dollars more for that screen. Also I hear from people that you will probably need to lower you graphics to run 3D games with a mobile graphics card. Honostly, I don't think 3D gaming is well developed yet, especially for laptops that have the weaker mobile graphics. 3D movies might work fine though.

 

The release also mentions it comes with a 500GB SSD, which is pretty expensive alone. I wouldn't be surprised if this model comes out at 1999.

 

500GB SSDs are REALLY expensive. The cheapest retail one I'm seeing is $1250, so there's no way there's going to be an SSD that large in a $2000 notebook.

 

The release if referring to Seagate's Momentus XT Hybrid HDD/SSD.

Tom's Hardware reviews this drive, and it has better performance then the standard 7200rpm 500GB Momentus. The drive learns your habits, and adapts the memory to have the stuff you use frequently in the SSD space.

Update: Everyday Performance : Momentus XT Review: Seagate's Marriage Of The HDD And Flash Memory

Pretty cool really. And another reason that I would want to get this G73JW-3DE. Does Asus typically release stuff in Russia and Europe before releasing in the USA? I find that weird, but I'd be willing to wait for the 3D screen and the HDD/SSD drive.

 

yeah, though what I've seen is most people complain that the SSD portion is too small right now. I looked into those drives on NewEgg. The concept itself sounds great, but if the SSD portion is too small, it won't provide a huge boost.

 

Except it does provide a huge boost.

I've got one for my G73jw I'll be putting in tonight...*IF* I open my G73jw, which I'm still super on the fence about :-D (Dang it Dell, get the GTX 460+ in a system already!)

 

Is it true that if you use the Momentus XT HDD/SSD as your primary drive, that using it as your secondary drive also, does not boost your performance anymore?

Is there any benefit/drawback from setting it up with 2 XT HDD/SSD?
What about with 1 XT HDD/SSD and 1 standard 7200rpm HDD?
Or even 1 XT HDD/SSD and 1 standard 5400rpm HDD?

Please explain.

Thanks.

 

Not really, there's no connection. I suppose there is in the sense that most of the benefit for the flash cache is to booting Windows and programs you load frequently, so not everyone might see the same kind of benefit off the second drive, but it's still the fastest mechanical drive you can get, at worst.

There's no drawback to using two Momentus XTs, other than they top out at 500GB (unless a larger one's been released that I missed). For someone who needs more space, but the auxiliary drive doesn't have to be fast, a second 750GB 5400RPM drive might make sense. (Or 1TB drive if it fits, not sure as those are physically larger.)

 

my ff benchmark went from 1981 points to 2100 after updating to 260.99 driver.

edit: oops, after second run my score is 2034.

 

did you try with PhysX turned off ?
It should gives more score

try it

 

Has anyone know if this memory would fit in a G73JW?

Kingston HyperX
4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz Non-ECC 204pin SODIMM Memory Module Kit
Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1333 Laptop Memory Model KHX1333C7S3K2/4G

I've read about some issues with the heatspreaders.

Thanks

 

Im thinking of getting 256Ssd for main drive & 750gb 7200rpm drive for 2nd HD
can we install games & software on 2nd HD also
What softwares should we have on the main HD & which ones for the 2nd HD ?


Was going to get the G53 but now looking to get the G73JW
am I making a wrong choice ?
Thanks

 

I'm not sure there are any 750GB 7200RPM drives. 500GB had been the max for a long time, although I think I remember seeing a 6x0GB option in some system (maybe from Dell?)

Windows of course would go on the primary, and I'd put your basic programs on it too-your office suite, Firefox, that sort of thing. You might also put the current game you're playing on the primary drive, though if you have a lot installed at least some would have to go on the secondary drive. Media should probably all go on the secondary drive-video, pictures, etc. (I'll stick my Tivo folder over on the second drive.)

Baring anything that turns out to be wrong with one and the not he other, the G73jw probably should have better cooling since it's physically bigger, and gives you the second drive bay, which seems pretty useful, plus of course about 2" larger screen, with an inch or two larger case as the downside. So basically unless you need to go as small as possible it seems like the G73 is better.

 

Thanks a ton
Also which is worth getting -

Processor
Intel® Core™ i7-840QM, 1.86-3.2GHz, (45nm, 8MB L3 cache) ( + 575 )
or
Intel® Core™ i7-940XM Extreme, 2.13-3.33GHz, (45nm, 8MB L3 cache) ( + 1,105 )


Ram
8,192MB (8GB) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (4x2GB) - SPECIAL FREE UPGRADE! ( + 0 )
or
10,240MB (10GB) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (1x4GB 3x2GB) ( + 109 )
or
12,288MB (12GB) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2x4GB 2x2GB)- ( + 197 )
I dont think i need 14 or 16gb or you think it is better ?


Primary Hard Drive
750GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) - Default
or
500GB (w/ 4GB SSD Memory) Seagate XT 7200RPM NCQ Hybrid 32MB Cache (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) ( + 135 )
or
256GB Crucial C300 Solid State Drive (SSD Serial-ATA III) ( + 629 )



Thanks

 

Processor - depends on your needs. I'd say the base is probably fine.

RAM - Again, depends on your needs. 99% you won't need more than 8gigs. Plus once up on a time it was bad to mix/match mem modules. Not sure if that's the case anymore...

HDD - Again, depends on your needs. SSD is great. I'd stay away from the hybrid right now - 4GB of SSD space isn't really much to write home about. Should be 8 or 16GB to make it worth your while. Stick to the regular hdd right now, and by the time you get sick of its' "slow" load times, SSD's/hybrids will be cheaper.

 

Thankyou
for the Info

 

Seagate's Momentus XT DOES have amazing performance...I don't know why people keep saying otherwise when you can look at the results in Anandtech's article right there. At WORST it's the fastest mechanical drive you can get, since it's got double the RAM cache as the normal 7200RPM drives, and for things like booting Windows and initial program loads-things you need speed for the most-it's performance is amazing.

I mean this:
Seagate's Momentus XT Reviewed, Finally a Good Hybrid HDD - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

These results are absolutely amazing. It's like people are looking at the size of the cache and just declaring it bad, without bothering to actually look at the results it gives.

And even for something where it can't help, at worst you're left with the fastest mechanical drive, so...

I agree ibraveheart-stock is probably fine. If you're paying to upgrade, at that point I'd start looking at Dell's systems since with this one you're just paying the full price for the extra CPU and the company selling it is swapping it, so it's going to lose it's price advantage versus other systems.

Odds are you'd be 100% fine with 4GB-the vast majority of people are. I've never seen my system use more than 60% of my 4GB-though Windows uses the rest as a cache. Point being for the vast majority of people 8GB is complete overkill. If a place will swap the 4 DIMMs for 2 though that's a nice upgrade potentially since it means you'd have to toss less RAM to upgrade it later, although I'm pretty doubtful you'd need to during the useful life of a system.

 

Thanks so much
I did choose the Seagate's Momentus XT
+1 rep

& +1 for you to Lord_Zath

God Bless

 

Seriously, i think hybrids are worth getting, other than that scratching noise im getting from it's power saving feature.

Im booting to windows around 30 seconds, include password typing time. Firefox launches almost instantly now. Steam and MSN Messenger are ready to use in seconds after getting on desktop.Some of my games are also launching almost instantly due to the 4GB SSD on the secondary drive. Im taking it as a small buffer RAM for applications, rather than a traditional HDD where you store stuff. You cant access the SSD from the My Computer.

I am not sure what performance are you guys getting with your G73, but what im sure is, this is a hell of an upgrade from my XPS M1530, as my G73JH comes with 2 of these hybrids.

 

Thx for info. I know that notebooks cards are a downgrade anyway Just needed to swap in my desktop to a laptop that can run most games and be mobile as i travel a lot. + upgrading the desktop would have cost the same to just get a good laptop. I7 motherboards and processors are still expensive here.

Seeing vantage scores of the JW then the GPU perform better then my desktops CPU did lol

 

As long as it's an upgrade from what you have previously, i think it's good enough.

 

this is getting ridiculous. the new drivers (260.99) from less than a day ago are not compatible with the g73jw...... even tho we have the 460m.....

 

I installed 260.99. Just follow the guide below. It's for the 260.89, but works the same:

Board Message

 

Huh, surprised it wouldn't have support yet if they just put new drivers up. Oh well, presumably the next revision.

 

how come everyone got such a high score for FF14 bench mark?
mine is only about 1700 with quite a high oc rate...without oc, i am only getting 1400ish

edit: after restart and installed the newest driver, I scored 1996

 

If there is no video card listed in Device Manager, the installer will report "No device found". Have it check for new hardware, and then run the installer.

Or reboot.

 

Tried to install 260.99 but so far it is a no go but I did not try to change file names. Device manager made no difference still did not work.

I did get the 260.99 installed by swapping files in the link. My laptop does seem to be more responsive just with general web browsing.

Maybe the stock drivers put a heavier load on the computer?

 

Well, it's new hardware so it's expected that there will be noticeable improvements early on. If it's really not directly supported in the current driver though that's too bad...it really should be, but hopefully next time.

 

I ran 3Dmark06 with 260.99 at 1900x1080. The score is 10847. Thats less than 5870 but it was about 9700 with stock drivers.

 

that's a pretty good improvement for a beta -> 1st release.

 

i meant that it was ridiculous that we have to mod driver files to get them to work on what they should already be working on.

 

Better to use 3dmark vantage for directx 10. The 460m can be OCed a little to give you the same 3dmark vantage score as the 5870m at much lower temperatures.

 

I agree...

I had the same issue initially installing the drivers. I don't have any games/apps that have any problems with the current driver so I'll wait until I do to go through with modding the INF - but hopefully it'll be compatible with the latest release by then.

 

Just as the HD5870 can be OCd a lot to keep the edge with even cooler temps! justs depends on the cooling solution. The g73 would allow for even better temps but their goal was silent operation. Not air vacuum motor like me

460m is a good overclocker, if you have the temps, I recommend pushing it a bit more, but that's just me. Specially if you play at high res, the extra memory clocks will definitely help.

 

just tried out fallout new vegas on ultra high @full hd
without AA....
even with OC, it doesn't run all that smooth.

inside building is very smooth, then outdoor has occasional spikes and in gun battles (about 7 guys in total), it lags badly.

gonna try high setting next

 

Wanna bet? No cooler, ICD7, no other mods. Ambient 70F. GPU score alone trumps Ken's high OC of his 460M overall score.

 

I wonder how the new 470M compares.

 

Should be no comparison to anything else (aside from the 480 :-D )

Dang it, STILL undecided :lol: Sounds like Dell's shortly putting the 4x0 line in the M15/17x systems, so...

 

By the time 470M is released, IMO the HD6xxx mobile should crush it easily and at HALF the cost. The HD6xxx with the expected 25% increase on the HD5870M OVERCLOCKED, should easily beat the 480M also. So for more than twice the cost, likely 30-40% slower than the next HD6xxx high end mobile.

This is my speculation based on the performance of the HD6850 since HD6xxx mobile is expected to use the new Barts architecture, not re-using Juniper. The HD6850 while scoring 14,000 on Vantage vs a HD5770 at 10,000, the HD6850 uses less than 10 watts more. So even though the Barts is a 40nm refined Cypress, it's still smaller and more efficient. It's been rated to be the most efficient performance/watt of any GPU on the market, destroying the GF104.

 

I mention this because my friend in Israel mentioned yesterday that his shop where he's ordering from has them in stock (engineering samples).

 

Huh? We don't know how the mobile parts will be, but there's no reason to think they'd be better than what AMD is already selling. The desktop parts are slower than the parts they're replacing-they're just rejiggered versions of the previous core.

Of course it's possible they'll release something like a full desktop part for notebooks, so it'll be faster by virtue of actually being the full part, but I doubt it. No reason to think they'll be any faster right now.

<<<The HD6xxx with the expected 25% increase on the HD5870M OVERCLOCKED, should easily beat the 480M also.>>>

Where are you getting that? There's no reason to think it'll be faster than a 5870. It'll be slower if it follows the desktop part. And there's no way it'll compare to a 470 or 480-they're only able to compete with the 460.

 

Do we have to Mod nVidia drivers before installing
like we need to do in Ati

Thanks

 

You shouldn't need to even with AMD drivers anymore. If you do with this Nvidia release, it would only be because of the newness of it-the next release SHOULD support it directly if the current one doesn't.

 

Well, my friend ordered the 470m upgrade for his laptop. I'll get him to run some benchies when he gets it.

 

What laptop does he have? I don't think any manufacturer has BIOS support yet.

 

Well I got my AUO 1900x1080 today but pretty major pixel troubles. I took a few pics. How big is a pixel suppose to be? Looks like there must be more than a few pixels in the red and green dots? The green one has a tiny spec that is green beside it would that be the size of a pixel?

 

Here is the pics just cellphone quality.

 

Those look like big splotches of dead/stuck pixels to me-I'd think that would be enough to get a replacement.

Sometimes you can "wake them up" by gently tapping on them...or at least you can if the screen isn't covered up, not sure how it is on the G73jw.

 

is the 3D version available? or soon to be released any idea?