Asus G73jh GPU temp?

I just finished playin Aliens Vs Predator for about an hour, and with stock clocks, 27C ambient, and my cooling pad running (takes off about 3C), I maxed out my MemIO (TSS 1) at 84C. I remember that I used to get 96C before I redid my paste.. (same ambient, clocks etc.) This is yet again a good example of how badly Asus pastes their GPU's...

 

I should have been more specific, but I was just referring to the MAX temps.
Here are my AMD GPU Clock Tool Temp MAX:
TSS0 86 C
TSS1 108.5 C
TSS2 99 C

 

Ok.
Normally MemIO temps differ at a 10-15c from the TSS0 temps. But i still say that your temps are on the high side. A TIM job can help you drop that temps. Also a cooler will further decrease it by 2-5c IMO. But a paste job=MUST!!

These are my temps with Heaven Benchmark running for 20-25 mins.
AMD GPU tool:
DispIO 67.0 C
MemIO 86.0 C
Shader 73.0 C

I have Arctic Silver 5 On both GPU & CPU.

 

Holy Smokes! (literally). You're seriously degrading your hardware buddy. I'd not game till you sort that out. You can SERIOUSLY Damage your hardware at those temps...

Yours are better, and nothign should get damaged...btu the cooler the better...

For both of you, the graphics memory is heating up the most. Do you guys have thermal pads on your gpu's memory chips, so that it makes proper contact with the heatsink ? Some people have thermal pads, but that are too thin and aren't touching the heatsink's copper, resulting in the high temps on the memory chips... might want to look into it...

 

OMG can ur lap handle that temps with no shutdown? mine shutsdown at 105

 

I didn't really look but is the part of the heatsink that is covering the gpu copper or aluminum?

 

it's aluminum with copper pipes.

 

I'm not sure about my pads since I haven't opened up the machine.

As far as stability, yes, I don't think the machine has turned off once because of the temps.

If these temps I've been gaming at are so harmful and degrading my hardware, I wonder if a lot of damage has already been done and it might be too late to really save it well?

 

What? Well, maybe. Are you an electronics engineer? It isn't the heat that "degrades" components, it's the heat cycling, with expansion and contraction. Hopefully it's just a misapplication of thermal pads.

Also, that's what a warranty is for.

Personally, I'd RMA it, but I'm a little crazy about those things. If you've got a 2 year warranty, you can always RMA it near the end of the warranty, and they might even upgrade your g73 to a g73jw or something better.

 

Now that, is why i'm not even thinking of an RMA.
My overall temps are quite nice. Not much other problems also. I kinda am skeptic about letting some techs here in Dubai open it up and screwup something which is not broken already. The high MemIO temps, I can live with!! If by any chance, something terrible goes wong and i have to RMA it, then i will ask them to look in to this matter as well.

 

Hmmmm.......since my G73JH is running absolutely without problems and I want it to do that for a long time I may have to redo the paste on the GPU too. Seeing as schockie got such great results too. The Netherlands is quite warm at the moment too and with the game Singularity I can easily get TSS1 over 100 degrees.

Arctic Silver on the way......

 

Thanks for the link to the video, schockie. But after watching it...I don't think i'm comfortable doing some of that stuff by myself. Not with this baby.

I guess that leaves me with either RMAing it, or using it until it fails and RMAing it then.

I have a question about RMA regarding the resellers, though. I bought my G73 through Gentechh, including the Wifi Card upgrade. If I need to RMA this, would I have to use them as a middleman with the RMA process, since they added aftermarket parts, or will ASUS let me keep the card and just send me the replacement/repair cardless?

At any rate, thanks everyone for your help and input.

 

Also, you're in dubai. It's hot there.

 

Ik ben zelf van Belgie, dus ik kan wel meespreken wat de temperatuur betreft . There was nothing wrong with my notebook before I did the paste, only the temps were to high for me. I surely wanne keep my G73 for the next 5 years lol

 

Well imho my guess would be you get the same deal if you RMA it. They will test your laptop, but I don't think they'll say there's anything wrong with it...And from our findings, we can all agree Asus can't put paste on their cards for sht. As they say, if you want something done right....

 

Dat ligt inderdaad behoorlijk dichtbij.

Yeah, I don't like temps too high myself and since this unit is working perfectly I want to keep it that way. It looks like Asus really didn't apply the thermal compound properly if I read all of this information.

 

Im gonna RMA and by all the issues my lap has i think they'll replace it, is that really possible? getting a jw?

 

Hot?? thats an understatement DCx. Its like a HELL HOLE here. The ambient goes into the 40s. All my temps have been taken at an ambient temp of 28-30c in the house(some times 25-28). So I would say my temps are really fine with that kind of ambient around. If it was in the 20-25c range, i'm sure i wont even hit the 80s mark.

 

Interesting results on Furmark (unpasted GPU)

Core/Mem/fps/tempC

300/1000/20/83 stable
450/ 700/27/98 stable

700/1000/44/unstable stopped at 102C
with turbo mode
700/1000/58!/unstable stopped at 102C

will post results when have enough courage to paste GPU

Should I bother pasting cpu at the same time?

btw gpu fan goes to 100% once temp reaches 95C

 

I only did a 6 min test after I applied MX3 paste. Before I would hit 107 at 3 minutes in.

When I tested before and after ambient temp was around 29C. Using Ziddy's modded vbios at 1.05v 700/1000 clocks. BIOS version 209 and Cat. Ver. 10.6

 

If I also take the information from the other thread then it's clear that if at load your TSS1 is 15 degrees higher then the paste and/or cooler isn't seated properly.

Possible causes for the cooler not being seated properly are:

- part of the cooler pressing against the video card;
- thermal pads between RAM and cooler too thick which resists the cooler making good contact with the core.

 

Can we maybe know what your ambient temp, bios version, and catalyst version is ? And maybe the voltage on your gpu ? Standard is 1.15 i think for clock speeds, but some bios versions in here lower that voltage to 1.05 on standard clocks, and to even lower when in battery saving mode.

 

3rd year computer engineer to be exact. And if you're saying that temps over 100*C is in no way degrading your hardware components, or shortening its lifespan, then you obviously don't know what you are talking about.... so i won't even bother. Topic ended.

 

Yeah another threat from extra heat is faster electromigration. Do you plan on running your hardware for several decades? Are you going to water cool your laptop so you can be happy at 60C or whatever you want?

I recently sold off a formerly ultra amazing gamer-fave notebook with a GeForce Go 7800 GTX that ran about the same temps as the G73's 5870. I could break 100C with Furmark. It was >4 years old and was working as well as ever but it was just too slow at this point.

It's not worth it to get caught up on temps like this. People have been all worried about this stuff since forever. Enthusiasts got scared when their CPU first required a fan! The thing is that computer hardware just doesn't have the lifetime for it to matter. I suppose people just have to learn this for themselves though.

Come to think of it, the only computer component that I've seen die from heat was an old AMD Athlon Tbird without a heatsink attached. They didn't have thermal protection back then and the CPU core would fry itself right off of the ceramic package within seconds. Heh heh.

 

I agree with what you're saying. Completely.

However heat, rather OVERheating, is still the main cause of hardware failure. I'm not saying it WILL happen, but it sure increases yoru chances. I used to work in a custom PC build shop for a while, and i've experienced this first hand day in, and day out. Clients used to come in with blown power supplies, fried VideoCards, failed harddrives, etc... only to find out that the cause was a clogged/broken fan without proper ventillation. Some components can handle it, others are more sensitive (psus for example). Usually GPU's are made to handle higher temps, but then again your HDD recomended operating temps are 5-60*C. And if you got a smoking hot gpu, heating up other components and putting more stress on them, you're increasing your chances that those parts will fail. I'm not sayign they will, just its more likely.

Same way a smoker is more likely to get lungcancer, than a non-smoker .. if you will ( though those odds are alot higher) you get my point.

 

I don't know how some of you other guys are getting temps so low after applying the thermal paste. Mine still goes to the 80s and 90s although those temps are 10-20 degrees cooler than what I was seeing before and now they are more equal to each other when stressed.

 

Have we established what the average idle temperatures are?

 

I applied Arctic Silver 5 and I did get an improvement but yeah it was probably only about a 5 degree improvement in Furmark.

A problem is that the heatsink doesn't seem to make very good contact with the GPU core. I think this is partly due to insufficient screw pressure to counteract the pressure that the RAM and VRM thermal pads put on the heatsink.

Mine seems to idle around 60-65C, according to GPU-Z.

 

Sorry, a Comp-sci engineer guy with alienware? I don't believe it. Engineers don't buy "brand" they buy commodities (and computers are basically fungible commodities) and spend money rationally.

Oh, and I'm a supermodel astrophysicist (since we're on teh internets and all that).

 

Seems to be (iirc) 60-65, same as the post above mine (er, a few above).

 

I looked at it and couldn't really see if there were any gaps, it all looked flush to me. I'm getting more consistent temps, not bad but not great like some other people are getting.

After mw2 for a couple of hours max temps were 85/93/88. I idle between 58-62 depending on ambient temps.

Tss1 is closer to the other temps now though.

 

Going with OP thread and for others. ATi Mobile GPU in general are safe to about 102C. 80-90C will cause no damage or risk any longevity to the GPU. Unless you really want to use your notebook 10 years from now, don't worry about it, will last more than long enough until you upgrade in 2-5 years. USed an Acer with an old ATi GPU that ran on average 96C all the time and lasted me 4 years. And by then it was just too slow, when I stopped using it, was still running like a champ. People really need to relax and stop worrying.

People are way too paranoid, don't care if you are a 3rd year computer engineer or not.

 

I have something new and weird.

My MemIO is lower than my DispIO and Shader and this is the same when I'm gaming.

So much so, I'm gaming with 800/1200 now.

 

What did you change?

 

Now that you mention it, I get the same readings:

DispIO: 54C
MemIO: 52C
Shader: 54C

I'm running on 700x1000...
Pretty sure the thermal pasting has something to do with it, cause before i pasted my GPU, my MemIO was always significantly higher than the other 2. Guess the cooling system really does the job it was meant to do now .

 

Not sure. I had redid the thermal paste back in February. I did it again this time and well, different result. I only did it again, because was intrigued by the guy who said the heatsink wasn't sitting properly.

Here is me gaming with Borderlands which gave me the most grief in temperatures while gaming.

 

I don't know what all the fuss is about with you people... i make a simple suggestion to watch out for high temps, as it CAN, not WILL cause some hardware failure, and everyone loses their mind over it. No one's paranoid, no1's not sleeping at night because of it, it was just a simple suggestion. Nothing more. This is the thanks i get for warning people and giving them suggestions on how to make their laptop run cooler so they don't get screwed over after their laptop dies on them when their warranties are over? WOWWWWWWW.

And while im at it, let me just say this.

You don't have to be a genius to figure out that the cooler your laptop runs, the better, and that excessive heat is BAD. If excessive temps were no problem at all for your laptop, why the hell did i read so many posts about people reporting their laptops shutting down? THATS BECAUSE ITS NOT OK, and as the temperatures reach past some of the hardwares' operating temperature threshhold, it triggers the system to shutdown as extended use at those temps will damage the components.

And if people would also take the time to read what i wrote, you will learn that i already stated that GPU's are generally not a problem, as they are designed to take the high temps. But since in laptops your components are crammed together in a relatively small package, the high heat from your gpu MIGHT, not WILL, damage other components near it. It is not like a desktop where the components are all spaced out.

Also, if it doesn't damage your computer, it WILL hinder performance. Anyone who's a serious benchmarker will know this. Higher temps = lower performance scores, because your components aren't working efficiently at high temps. And this DOES include the gpu. two exactly the same gpus running at the same clocks, but one is 60*c, the other 100*C, and i can guarantee you, the one running at 60*c will get a higher score on a benchmark.

But as DXC or wtv his name is stated, don't believe me. Why should you believe me? I can be some hobo off the street who stole an alienware for all you people know. So here are some sources for those who STILL think, excessive heat is ok (im not talking about temps in 80s and 90s here). Time to face the facts and stop pretending you know what you are talking about people.

Computer cooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your laptop Battery is the one component which suffers the most. note the first table: look at how much your battery gets degraded with just temps of 60*C... imagine 80-90-100*C!

How to prolong lithium-based batteries

here are more sources :

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Down...Take_care_of_your_PC_Protect_it_from_Heat.pdf

Keep Your Computer Cool - www.compukiss.com

List of CPU critical temps:

CPU maximum temperatures

Western digital's recommened operating temps are as follows:

Temperature (English)
Operating 32° F to 140° F
Non-operating -40° F to 149° F

Temperature (Metric)
Operating -0° C to 60° C
Non-operating -40° C to 65° C

oh wait, don't believe me, what do i know?

WD Scorpio Blue 320 GB SATA Hard Drives ( WD3200BEVT )

Hmm Remember the first XBOX 360s dropping like flies when they were overheating? Well i'll assume you don't remeber:

Xbox 360 'Overheating' Problems Emerge | Edge Magazine


But lets go over what can happen with high temps, even if your hardware DOESN'T FAIL.

1. Uses more power.

- If you're running on battery, a hot laptop will keep you unplugged, for much less time. Hotter laptop mean it isn't running efficiently. Also, batteries die much quicker when they are hot. The fans turning full pin will also suck up more juice, eating away at your battery life even more.

2. Uncomfortable

You try keeping a 100*C laptop on your lap, and tell me how you like it

3. Slower performance

heat translates to inefficiency which means your cpu/gpu/memory/hdd will all run slower than it would in if it was running at the recommened operating temps.

4. Battery life

-Kills battery life ALOT quicker.

5. Prevents form OC'ing higher.

-if you like to OC, then heat is your enemy. Higher temps will prevent you from reaching those high clock speeds, which mean you will not be able to achieve the same performance levels as a cool computer.

6. ANNOYING:

If you enjoy your computer freezing and locking up, right when you just typed up a 15page report, or when you've reach really far on the latest game your playing, causing you to lose everything, then i wouldn't worry about overheating.

But for everyone who finds their computer locking up after 30mins of gameplay EXTREMELY ANNOYING, i would worry about it, and try to reduce temps.

I can go on n on.... but basically i don't care if you don't want to admit it to yourself, but the truth remains...

EXCESSIVE HEAT CAN DAMAGE YOUR HARDWARE COMPONENTS, CAUSE LOCK-UPS AND COMPUTER FREEZES, SLOWER PERFORMANCE AND GENERALLY, A MUCH MORE UNFAVORABLE EXPERIENCE WHILE USING YOUR COMPUTER.

For those of you who know how to take constructive criticism ( obviously many people don't) I suggest doing the following to help your computer temps.

1. Re-apply thermal paste to your gpu/cpu ( OCZ freeze, Mx-3, Shin- Etsu, IC diamond, AS5 are all good).
2. Make sure thermal pads on your gpu's memory chips are actually making contact with the heatsink.
3. make sure all yoru fans are unclogged (clean them out once a month)
4. You can edit and flash your Vbios to run your 5870m at 1.05v instead of 1.15v.
5. buy a laptop cooler.
6. always place your laptop on a flat surface. You can also put something under it to keep it raised a little, increasing airflow under your laptop.
7. keep in a well ventilated room.

**** For those who want help on doign any of the previous things, just Pm me and i will be more than glad to help you

Because that is it. You won't see me anymore on this thread.

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of text for "might" but more likely, slim to none not happen.

 

Alright guys... this Sunday I plan to take apart my baby and put in some thermal compound on the GPU... anyone done this before with pictures?

If not, I'll take pics with my phone and post them up when i have some results... hopefully without wrecking the g73...

 

i was thinking of redoing my paste but now i think is better to RMA cause the problem is degenerative , when i first got the lap i was able to beat stalker COP maxed out whith just a few shutdowns , but now i cant play anything not even for 2 minutes, anything!! , my iddle temps are early 80s , and that sucks , I belkeve the GPU is already damaged , so im RMAing it and i hope they replace the whole lap cause ive got more issues , such as crackling noise issue , sudden freezes and more ...

 

I think Jstarnino is still in denial over the fact that this isn't the first gaming notebook to have a GPU that runs around 90-100C. It's also not the first GPU in general to run up around those temps, as there are desktop cards that run that hot during gaming too. And they didn't just come out yesterday to fry tomorrow.

Sure it would be nice if things ran relatively cool (say 60C). That could be achieved if we were all running the Mobility 56x0 GPUs with the cooling solutions we have now. But when you want to push the limits, there are compromises and a nice 60C temp was one of them. No magic paste is going to change this.

On the other hand, the Mobility 5870 couldn't be based the Cypress GPU because it would melt our notebooks. Instead we have Juniper, otherwise known as the desktop 57xx. Imagine if we had to remove around double the heat we currently have.

 

@ziddy123

That is great! I guess your heatsink is now on the core exactly the way as it was meant to be. TSS1 lower now. Fantastic.

Did you change something? Tightened the screw somewhat more or something else ?

Still waiting for my Arctic Silver to arrive. Probably I will change the paste and reseat the heatsink next weekend.

 

just make sure to be careful when taking off the various parts, most of them should come off real easy, aside from the keyboard that is taped on. Don't try to force things off. If they feel like they are stuck there, make sure you didn't forget to unscrew something first. I made the mistake of trying to pry a few pieces off because I thought they were stuck but found out I forgot to unscrew a screw which is real easy to overlook.

 

Thanks! Noted...

Still scared witless but i want to game on 1920x1080 and that is one of the reasons I bought this thing other than running VMs and Visual Studio 2010 dev...

 

Advice for taking apart your notebook and redoing your thermal paste.

First off, like Mandrake and others, I used OCZ Extreme Freeze thermal paste. It's easy to work with and very affordable.

What you need:

Screwdriver, tweezers, lots of containers or envelopes.

Containers/Envelopes

What you want to do is tear off pieces of paper and label them and place them in the container or label envelopes.

Almost all the screw look alike, but I still separate them.

Example: Screws under Hard drives. Screws near Ram. Screws on the bottom. Screws for fans. Screws for Screen. Screws under keyboard. Screws on motherboard. Screw for DVD drive. Screws under battery.

Why do I do this? One you know exactly where which screws go where. Secondly you want to keep track of all of them. When you put your notebook back together, I guarantee you will miss some of them and you will have screws leftover. This way you put it back together complete.

Also trust me, looking and trying to remember where all the screws are is hard. With the labels you know exactly where to look to put the screws back in. You also keep track all of them.

Just my tip for taking apart the notebook.

 

How many people have mangled their keyboard after taking apart their machine?

As soon as I watched the BTO Tech Youtube video of the disassembly and them TEARING the keyboard off, I am completely turned off to the idea of taking apart my G73.

 

Hmm when I first did it, there were no guides or videos, back in February. I did not have any problems with the keyboard. But I was a little more careful than the BTO dude, I did not have to reglue or anything that mentioned. Just go slow.

 

Bought some Arctic MX-2 from the local computer store. I'll have a go at the heatsink tomorrow or sunday.

 

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My keyboard was actually better when I reapplied it . But that's because the keyboard was deformed a bit before i took it off. It's not hard to flatten the keyboard once you took it off though, since it is made out of flexible metal (the bottom's made of this, this is the plate that gets bumpy if you pull out the keyboard from the tape) and plastic.

Anyways, good luck ^^.