Asus G73jh GPU temp?

Did you two 'TSS1 lower then the other 2 censors' owners use the pea method or another method to apply the paste?

 

I just used the ''put paste on it, spread it, and flat it out with a credit-card"-method. That way I'm sure the paste is all over the GPU.

 

Not sure what you mean. Far as I know there is only 1 way to do it.

Clean off the heatsink with dish soap, be sure to completely dry it. Use cotton sticks and nail polish remover to clean off the chip of all the leftover thermal paste. I use a flat object like my swiss army knife and gently apply only a pea size drop of thermal paste completely all over the chip surface. Then I gently place the heatsink on, give it a wiggle to make sure it's completely on, tightly screw it back on, done.

 

If you follow the bto video step by step you should have no problems. the guide that asus gives is good for reference but the sequencing is off and you will find yourself flipping the notebook over a few times when all you really have to do is flip it once.

If this is the first time doing this take ziddy's advice in labeling the screws.

If you are a lazy guy like me, then all you need to know is that the majority of the screws are the same. The only ones that are different are the 6 longer screws for the hinges to the screen, 4 really small screws, 2 under the battery and 2 under the cdrom drive, and 6 screws for the fans. I just put it into 4 different piles on a piece of paper. If you want help remembering you can draw circles around the hinge and the fan screws and label them because they kind of look similar but are not the same size.

 

I just wipe the old paste off, then use some 91% isopropyl rubbing alcohol to clean the rest off.

You can also get a citrus cleaner (like Goo Gone Citrus) to help get the old paste off. It is very effective at dissolving pastes and is what Arctic Silver's Arcticlean is made of. But be sure to follow that up with alcohol because the citrus cleaner (and most other solvents) will leave residue/oils that are bad for thermal conductivity and will affect the new paste.

Years ago I'd use heavy duty solvents like "Oops" and "Goof Off" but that stuff is nasty, brain-cell killing goodness and is unnecessary. Citrus cleaners + Isopropyl all the way. Some of the old school wax TIMs needed hardcore solvents though....

I'm not sure about whether dish soap is a good way to go. Most soaps have hand moisturizers that won't leave a really clean surface. I use dish soap to clean whole cards sometimes though. Alcohol is the better way to go if you want a cleaner surface, I think.

 

Mission partly accomplished.

At load at around 24 C room temperature TSS1 is 90 C where it would get 100 C before but it is still 5 to 6 degrees warmer then TSS0 and TSS2. That is with Furmark.

The cause of this is that the thermal pads between the RAM and heatsink are too thick. They use 1mm pads while there is only 0,5mm room and since there are 8 RAM chips the screws of the heatsink cannot produce the force to squeeze the pads to 0,5 mm.

Also the guy saying that the part sticking out that cools the big resistor and 4 small chips is problematic is also right. There is no room at all for a thermal pad and that also resists the heatsink from getting flat on the core because Asus uses a 1mm pad there.
I checked this by removing everything even the thermal pads and then I screwed the heatsink to the video card. I then took a look at how much room there was between the resistor and the heatsink and there was virtually none. If I then put the RAM thermal pads back and screw the heatsink to the video card I can see a gap appearing between the resistor and the heatsink which means the thermal pads are preventing the core and heatsink to have a good contact.

So I'm going to order some 0,5 mm thermal pads and some 0,225 mm thermal pads and redo the process next week to get the heatsink really flat on the core. But this is already a lot better but it isn't perfect yet.

 

The first G73 I got would get to nearly 100C in furmark after a couple minutes, and it would GSOD a lot. I exchanged it (Best Buy), and my 2nd one reaches 94C after 30 minutes, and works fine (for now, knock on wood). It's been flashed with a custom vBios, though I got the same temps before the flash.

 

I agree. This is what I saw too when I opened mine up. The pads are too much for the screws. I found it strange how the screws are designed to only go so far, and the springs certainly don't help anything either. These notebook cooling mechanisms usually do have these spring-loaded screws but with these thermal pads it doesn't work well.

I've been pondering ways to change the screw loading. Installing some sort of spacer/washer on the spring-loaded side would probably make a big difference. Replacing the pads does seem like the cleanest way to go however.

Another thing I noticed was that some RAM chips were pressing harder on the pads than others. So, unsurprisingly I suppose, the chips aren't all at the same height. 1.0mm pads may be necessary for some of them.

What thermal pads are you going to use?

 

So I noticed yesterday after playing my GPU temp started creeping up to 97F last night while playing BFBC2. I turned off the GPU 800/1100 OC, the temps went back down to the 80's, but then not long after the game crashed to a white screen (hasn't crashed in ages) and required a hard reset.

Normally I have the back of the unit propped up onto my flat screen stand at my desk, giving it about 2-3 inches of space underneath and the temps barely hit 94F, which I agree is considered normal.

But I place the unit flat on the desk as it would
normally be and that's when I noticed it hit 97F after a couple hours of hovering between 92-95F.

I don't think the crash happened because of temps
as much as it felt like the game wouldn't run without the 800/1100 OC as I had everything set to high with HBAO set to on and at 2xMSAA.

I have the 2 year warranty with Asus and a product replacement gaurantee 3 year warranty with Fry's Electronics. Is this enough? I don't really want to go through the hassle or expenditure of switching out the thermal paste or flashing VBios (if that's even related) when everything else on the unit has been flawless since purchase in April.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

 

I'm going to use this stuff from a local webshop. It's type 86/600

http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/d...-da-01-en-SOFTTHERM_86_600_100X100X0_5_MM.pdf

 

Which website are you ordering from?

 

I'm ordering from Conrad.nl because I live in The Netherlands. But there's also Conrad

 

I found some at FrozenCPU
EK Thermal Pad Sheet - 160mm x 155mm x 0.5mm - FrozenCPU.com

 

I ordered the same stuff, should be here early this week. hopefully our temps will drop further with this mod.

 

If the GPU goes from it's half-way contact right now to full contact, you can bet on a nice temp improvement.

 

I'll be glad if the TSS1 reaches the same temp as the TSS0 and TSS2.

If that happens then we have to revise what we know about the G73JH. Instead of it being normal that TSS1 is between 10 and 20 degrees warmer it will be if your TSS1 is 5 degrees higher than TSS0 and TSS2 the heatsink is not properly applied because the temps should be the same.

Wouldn't that also be the reason why Ati has 3 temperature censors? To make sure the heatsink is properly applied.

 

To keep our tests consistent can you try with furmark stability test, xtreme burning mode, post fx, 1920x1080 and 8x MSAA Samples. pre and post application of pads and paste.

 

This thread is huge, too long to read all the way through. What temps are good/bad/ugly, and what benchmarking soft (furmark, heaven, ...?) should I use to diagnose whether I need to RMA, re-paste, or stop worrying. Plz provide full settings lists for testing (both program and ccc) and even suggested temp monitoring soft if necessary to make sure I'm doing this right... don't want to RMA unless I have to.

Thx for the advice

 

I'd leave it alone if it's under 100C while running a game, and redo the paste if it goes over or shuts down. RMA may or may not fix it (it didn't for me) and the incompetent techs can introduce even more problems.

 

The bad part is if you screw up something while messing around in there you will be paying for the rma unless you lie through your teeth about opening your system.

What I found is that applying paste is worth it only if you are hitting thermal shutdown temps. If you are in normal range then applying paste may only get you a couple degrees lower in temps.

 

Actually I'd go a bit further and say it's not worth the risk to open it up or RMA it (yup, RMAing is risky lol) unless you are getting shutdowns while playing games. Don't get caught up on Furmark because it is a very artificial scenario and is not indicative of real usage.

 

Phew!!! I must say, haven;t been here for a while. I guess I will repaste my GPU someday, but not now. With stock TIM I am idling
DispIO: 54C
MemIO: 56C
Shader: 54C
Gaming temps 5 loops of Crysis Warhead benchmark(about 30 min) at enthusiast settings with 4X FSAA
DispIO: 84C
MemIO: 90C
Shader: 88C
I think 5C at load and 2C at idle won't worth it.
My ambient 25C now.

 

I think that it will be great, if Asus will change thermal policy of G73 GPU. Now we have only 2 settings for fan 30% and 100%(fan turns on at 85C core). I think, that it will be a great idea to add another setting 60% for fan speed(at 75C-77C). That won't increase noise of system much, but will help with cooling a lot. Hope we will see it in new bios from Asus.

 

Just played a bit of WoW and maxed out at 77C, occasionally dropping to 73-75C.

 

I just ran the heaven benchmark. 15 FPS and maxed at 87 C. I guess that means my computer isn't going to melt itself away any time soon.
Ambient is 75 F.

 

Allright. I'm done now. Can't get the TSS1 temperature further down. The best I can do now is a 6 degree difference in Furmark and 3 degree when idle.

Room temperature is 22 degrees and after 12 minutes of Furmark at default settings TSS1 maxed at 88 degrees. That would hit 100 degrees at this room temperature before with Asus bad pasting job.
It won't go higher because when TSS0 hits 82,5 degrees the fan goes up a notch and the temperatures go down.

TSS1 idles at 56 degrees after running Furmark on 700 MHz core.

So I'm pretty happy now. This is a lot better then it was. If Asus would have made a better cooling solution this could have been better.

 

I just ran the Unigine bench two more times (4x AA, 4X AS, Native res, everything else highest except tessellation which was normal). 15.9 FPS and here are the temps:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8651/64815924.png
I'm thrilled!
GPU thermal diode maxed at 84 C even AFTER I ran the test two more times! Woot!

 

I got the 0.5mm pads yesterday and went at installing them. I found though that 0.5mm isn't quite thick enough. 0.75mm would probably be perfect, but 0.5mm doesn't appear to fill the gap.

Hmmmmm. I am considering using the 1.0mm pads but cutting them into smaller pieces so that each RAM chip has a square of thermal pad that generally covers its center (where the actual silicon die is ( link)). This would reduce the pressure put on the heatsink by the original 1.0mm sheets but still make sure that the chips are making contact.

Either that or I'm going to just stop messing with it.

 

Can you use 2 .5 mm pads?

 

Just a quick question...

How difficult would you rate getting to the GPU to redo pads and paste?

I am tempted.. used to be able to take apart my Dell XPSm170 no problems, but the G73 looks a bit harder.

Also, once someone finds the perfect thickness pads it'd be great to post the link to buy them. If I decide to take it apart would do pads and paste at the same time.

 

How difficult? You have to pull the whole notebook apart. There is a video linked in this thread (can google it too) that shows every step, but it is quite involved and it is risky because there are definitely breakable parts in there.

Think hard before doing it because it probably voids the warranty. If you break something inside it won't be covered.

 

You could but it's probably best to use a solid 1.0mm pad.

Another issue is that the original pads are very spongy. They "squish easily". The aftermarket pads tend to be more dense and less "squishy" and that's no good if they are too thick. It's really probably best to just leave the OEM pads alone.

Some of the RAM chips are definitely higher off the PCB than others so you really do need the squish factor and a slightly-too-thick pad to make sure they all make contact.

 

So I wasted $13 in ordering pads then?

 

Yah probably. I'm none too happy about it myself.

 

Yes lots of very small parts that can easily be broken. If you do take it apart be especially careful of the lvds cable, it is shielded by soft flexible material and I had no idea that there are a million little tiny wires in there. When I was putting back that back part that covers the hinges one of the screw holes pinched this cable. Now my screen doesn't work. Opened it back up and there was a tiny nick on that cable, when I cut open the shielding there were three tiny ones that had been cut. for some other reason my kb backlights don't work as well after that but I did pull out the cmos battery when I was troubleshooting why the screen was blank before I saw the nicked cable. Not sure if it was the cable that caused the lights to go or taking out the battery. In any case, be extremely careful when putting it back together because that's when wires can shift around if you are not paying attention.

I saw no difference when I changed my pads. There is no temp gauge on the ramsinks so there's no way of telling if this makes a difference or not. I did notice that the stock pads are all .5mm, but yes a little more squishy than the aftermarket ones.

 

Here are my idle temps without any drivers installed,didn't think they would go up that high (compared with idle temps with drivers that is)

 

This is probably because Powerplay won't function without the drivers installed. (clock speeds don't change but there is more to Powerplay than that)

 

is it ok to remove the pads and put a little bit of thermal paste on each RAM block?

 

No don't use paste in place of pads. Paste is not usable as a gap filler. It may flow out of the gap!

 

AS5 in my GPU... Cleaned the fan and Applied new TIM

Ide Temp 68-70c
AS5 Ide Temp 60-62c

Heaven Benchmark 2.1
Stock Temp Max 90c
AS5 Temp Max 81c

Important Reminder AS5 Web
(it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity)

 

Dear All,

I recently updated my Drivers to 10.6 (for whatever reason the 10.7 CCC kept giving me the 'stopped responding error' after installation). Okay so these are the temps I got after 1.5 hours of GTA IV.

Room Temp: 26C

GPU DispIO: Highest 92C Average: 85C
Thermal Diode: Highest 109C Average: 90C
GPU MemIO: Highest 109 Average: 91C
GPU Shader: Highest 100C Average: 85C

How are these temps looking? the 109 in the MemIO is worrying me. On a side note, apart from the rise in temperature, so far no GSODs (knock on wood).

 

109 is on the waaay to high side.

your TSS1 is 17 degrees higher than TSS0 which simply put means a badly applied heatsink. There is no reason for TSS1 under Furmark testing to have a difference of more than 6 degrees.

 

Here are my temps after 1 hour of Starcraft 2, 1920x1080 resolution, all settings on Ultra:



Ambient temp is 25 degrees C, and I'm using the ThermaPAK HeatShift 17 inch passive cooling pad.
I am running BIOS 209, stock vBIOS, all cores unparked, and Catalyst 10.7 installed over Catalyst 10.1.

 

It looks like my G73JH temperatures are OK now after my modifications.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m15x/474717-m15x-ati-5870-mod-82.html

The AlienWare M15x with 5870m after playing Bad Company 2 for 2 and a half hours has the same temperature difference on TSS1( 6 degrees) and about the same temperatures.


So I'm pretty sure if I say that if you have more than 10 degrees difference the paste job is not OK.

 

Well disregard what i said earlier. 5 minutes in to my second round of SC2, GSOD during a cinematic. Rolling back to 10.1.

 

I'd say even 10C difference is ok. My desktop 4870 have memory temp always 10C higher than GPU core.

 

I redid mine, and I didnt have shutdown temps. The highest I got was like 98C. After redoing it, I got 84C max. (Same environment, same settings, same game, same duration etc.)

 

Praize urself lucky,cause you just won the Asus-lottery! You got one of their well-pasted machines! Now you go and have fun with it

 

Well, I'm all but convinced I should redo the paste on mine. I am definitely not getting super high temps, but I regularly hit 85-90* when I do some gaming. I live in AZ and its already warm here and it seems most people who redo the paste are seeing dramatic improvements.

A quick question for those that did it, how many of you guys actually fiddled with the pads on the memory? Those temps for me get kinda high 90*+ range and I'm not sure what to do about that. Will these go down as well with the lower GPU temps?

 

Interesting discussion thread ...
It seems that the long term solution is to find a way to unlock the fan speed control with a manual override.

Has anyone found a reliable way to do this?