That exact model number is M.2 only, the PCI-E version is called something else.
Here's the one I bought.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/121481220983
Getting to the card involves removing basically all the screws from the bottom of the laptop, then popping off the rear cover and ultimately the keyboard.
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I'm having wifi issues with this machine. It connects to my router at 300mbps but my internet speed is very low about 40mbps on download with speediest. My iPad on the same 5ghz connection gets the full 162mbps.
Is there a fix for this does anybody know or is it just the crappy Intel WiFi card ?
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Check this post below and see if you will need to enable this setting in your router "Enable WMM (Wi-Fi multimedia) settings".
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Hi thanks for the reply.
I cannot find anything about WMM settings on my Virgin Suoerhub 2 so I'm not sure it has that tbh. I'm thinking the WiFi card used in this machine is just pants tbh. Even my wife's cheap £250 machine can get the full speed. Along with the speaker issues I'm loosing interest in the laptop pretty quick now and I think it's going to go back.
I will have a look at the thread you posted before I give up and see if anything helps..
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Using the driver linked above it just keeps disconnecting, it cycles between limited and no connection ?
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Sounds like you are the victim of that wonderful card like many others and I can tell you from experience that new drivers do close to nothing.
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Tbh with this and the subwoofer issue I have had enough tbh. It can go back...
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hi to all concerned,
Just registered to say that i just recieved (in Estonia) G751JT with Qualcomm Atheros AR956x Wireless Network Adapter. At first it didnt connect to my rooter but after updates everything works.
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Can anyone confirm if the G751JY is silent while idle?
I have tested two of these machines and on both, the fans were clearly audible while idle (CPU utilization 1-3% and temps 42-46C). I even tried undervolting using Intel XTU to maximum -75mV but no dice.
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My G750JH is inaudible at idle, but I have other fans running in my room, so if you are in a completely quiet room, it might be audible.
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The G751JY does not have Optimus so the 980M is always used which means the GPU fan is constantly spinning. It's noticeable at idle, Not loud but you can hear fan noise.
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Thanks for the quick reply guys!
I guess I have two options now:
1) Since you reported good noise levels with the G750JH, I could try the G751JT (970M) and hope that the lower temps cause the GPU fan to stay silent.
2) Wait for the G750JY (980M/8GB) to come out in Canada, and hope it's better heat sink and Optimus will keep the fans low enough at idle to be silent.
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The G750 has a different sized exhaust/fan tuning, so at the same idle the sound characteristics might be different, you would need to decide if it is more or less pleasing to you.
Optimus tends to raise the CPU idle/load temperatures by about 10c, so you are more likely to hear the CPU fan spin up and down at idle than on a non-Optimus laptop. Between the JW/JX/JH and the JM/J S/JZ when Asus added Optimus there were a lot more complaints about the idle fan oscillating up and down on the slightest load.
There were some people mentioning that the G751JT/JY GPU fan had a whistling sound... is that noise characteristic that is bothering you?, more so than the idle fan noise?
If you were hearing variable noise from the fan, while watching it stay idle at 2300rpm, it might have been the GPU fan you heard spinning up... it should also stay quiet at idle.
Other G751 owners have reported seeing the fan speed reading in AIDA64 change as the fan speed changes - make sure yours does the same - run the AIDA64 CPU stress test and watch the fan speed in the AIDA64 Cooling Fans tab, like this:
For me the choice would be to keep the G751JY, since I prefer to stay away from the complications imposed by Optimus.
Optimus uses only the Intel GPU for video output, so you lose all of the Nvidia GPU video tuning in the control panel, you are limited to 60hz output which breaks G-sync functionality, and the added heat from the Intel GPU enabled on the same carrier as the CPU is undesirable.
And, don't forget that Optimus gets in the way of Windows/IE/MediaPlayer/Flash from using the Nvidia GPU. Many applications only run on the Intel GPU and won't move GPU use to the Nvidia GPU. Rendering programs that won't switch lose all the performance benefits of the Nvidia GPU you paid so much extra to get.
The 980m on the G750JY has 8GB, but for 99% of games you won't be able to use that extra 4GB, and for the games that can use 8GB - they look just fine on 4GB too.
Please come back and let us know what you work outLast edited: Dec 11, 2014 -
. This leaves me to believe the whine is caused by the GPU fan as you said. It's really weird since my GPU is reporting very low 38C temps, and all I am using is IE.
The noise characteristic is not really as high pitched as a whistle, just a constant higher-pitched blowing that I suspect probably only registers at 34-35dB but just sounds a lot more annoying than that.
You make a really good point about the complications with Optimus...sigh. From your advice, I'll give my second unit more shot. However, due to my store's short 7-day return policy, I have only 1 more day to test this baby out.
The first unit I need to return anyways since it has the dreaded failing left side USB port issue.
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G750JM/J S/JZ users complained of that quite often.
Either way GPU usage is going to add heat and cause the associated fan to spin up.Last edited: Dec 11, 2014 -
Here is the link to my post about the Western Digital solution for disconnects, there is a compatibility issue between WD Advanced Power Management and some USB 3.0 controller chipsets.
G751 - Problem with USB3.0 ports (left side) and external HD... anyone else? - Page 6
As I said, the CPU fan idle at 2300rpm is as low as the fan is going to go, but you can stop some of the spin up with the CPU fan by running the Balanced Power plan CPU Min/Max 0%/99% instead of the High Performance Power plan with CPU Min/Max 100%/100%.
Allowing the CPU clock to drop between loads allows the CPU to cool off - keeping the CPU clock speed up high all the time builds up heat over time and causes more fan noise.
The GPU also downclocks, but you need to keep the default Nvidia settings for 3D settings, if you bump up the settings to high performance then the GPU won't downclock - here are the settings of interest:
Those settings give the best performance, but tend to keep the GPU running hotter as well.
The AIDA64 program shows the CPU/GPU fan speeds, but for monitoring CPU temps I use hwinfo64 and for monitoring the GPU temps I use GPU-Z, as both allow logging - so I can see the temps between peaks.
As a last hint, I use flashblock to stop all the flash animations from running while browsing to reduce CPU/GPU usage.
flash blocking is available for IE, Firefox (what I mostly use), and Chrome:
Use Internet Explorer's Built-in "Flash Block" Feature
Firefox flashblock
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/flashblock/
Chrome flash control
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/flashcontrol/mfidmkgnfgnkihnjeklbekckimkipmoe?hl=en
I also use noScript and QuickJAVA to enable/disable features loaded from websites, to reduce load and to protect against infections.
QuickJava 2.0.6
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/quickjava/?src=search
NoScript Security Suite 2.6.9.6
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I'll try tweaking the power profile to see if I can get lower average CPU clock, as you suggested. But maybe I should just use Intel XTU to lower max clock multiplier when I'm not gaming?
I'm interested i your GPU settings but I the link to your attachment seems broken.
Hmm, if you really like your G750JH so much, I might just return the G751JY and get that insteadWhich model do you have? Any upgrades?
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Using XTU to add a negative voltage offset is another good method to reduce temps.
Reducing laptop performance by reducing the Multipliers seems a bit extreme just to reduce fan noise.
If the fan noise is bothering you that much, use headphones, or keep something else on in the room to distract from the laptop noise; your room is too quiet.
I also use an external keyboard / mouse so I don't sit right on top of the laptop, so that reduces the noise I hear from it as well.
Another thing you can try is to use noise dampening materials under the laptop and behind it. If you have very reflective surfaces on your desk or items behind the laptop you are getting fan noise reflected up and toward you.
I fixed the link to the image, refresh the page to reload the post.
The G750JH-DB71 is still for sale new:
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-G750JH-DB71-17-3-Inch-Laptop-VERSION/dp/B00EZ8BJNK
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=983611&Q=&is=REG&A=detailsLast edited: Dec 11, 2014 -
Also someone posted a few pages back that resellers like XoticPC stopped with the option of global warranties.
Could you help with the following questions as I dont think anyone has replied to what I have asked thanks.
In terms of the wireless card in the laptops I have read mostly bad things about it. But can you or anyone tell me what speed you get with this card where they have over a 100mb connection? What card is the best to replace the intel one?
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It isn't that the G750JH is better than the G751JY/JT, as the 970m/980m are faster GPU's than the 780m, it is that I already have the G750JH and it runs great - and all the driver issues have long been resolved.
The G750JZ has the 880m, but when I OC the 780m in the G750JH the GPU performance is the same.
The G750JH (780m 4GB) and G751JY (980m 4GB) don't have Optimus, and the G750JZ (880m 8GB) and newly announced G750JY (980m 8GB) have Optimus.
I might still get a G751, but for now I will wait until the teething issues with the new G751 laptop line get worked outLast edited: Dec 11, 2014 -
I'm trying to put some noise dampening foam around the vents (while trying to keep airflow of course). It helps a little bit, but still audible. Temps went up maybe 2C. I'm going to try a more elaborate setup, where I try to reflect the noise away from my desk and see how that goes.
Thanks for the tips and the link, going to definitely try those settings out.
Overall, I'm still debating whether to wait for the G750JY though. It's still not 100% confirmed it has Optimus right? And maybe ASUS will have learned from the previous G750JH and put a bios option to disable Optimus or something... -
The cooling system in the G751 isn't as robust as in the G750, it is a combined system that under 100% load from the CPU/GPU (prime95 + furmark) causes brief Thermal Throttling on and off for the CPU.
We just discovered this in testing here:
Cpu or Fan problem ??? - Page 4
Read the posts just before from two different runs on 2 different G751's. Compare to the run on the G750JH.
The cooling system in the G750JY is likely similar to the G750JH/JZ.
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I also noticed a difference in fan noise at the max CPU+GPU load between my two units: the first unit was louder, but hit 93C/84C CPU/GPU max; the second unit was quieter, but hit 95C/86C CPU/GPU max temps.
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Is the RAM changable / upgradeable from the G751JY?
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G751 - DIY upgrade from 8 GB RAM to 32 possible?
Some other useful links:
1.35V memory required in G751/G771/G551s (same as G750)
Upgraders: 1.35V memory is required!!
The easiest upgrade is to get the same make/model of 8GB SODIMM from ebay - Macintosh Laptop pulls - that's where I got the 4th 8GB SODIMM for my G750JH.
You can find the make/model with CPU-Z, click on the SPD tab for the details.
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Heating up the CPU and GPU causes the JT/JY to run out of of cooling headroom, and that is why it is throttling the CPU on yours and others tests.
Your results are normal... until we get someone with a test run of the same tests and duration as you have run that does better
There are several test options in prime95, if you ran Small FFT that is the hottest running test, if someone else ran another test, it will read lower in temperature.
prime95 Small FFT + furmark 15 minute burn-in tests simultaneously.
My G750JH did CPU 85c, GPU 85c.
If you have a JT/JY please run the test and post your results, so Wishmaker77 and others can compare, and hopefully avoid return/RMA.
prime95 Small FFT + furmark 15 minute burn-in together, looks like this:
If you run prime95 Small FFT alone, the CPU temp will be lower, like this on the G750JH:
Without the GPU heat load of furmark also running at the same time the CPU will run cooler.
Wishmaker77, please give the single prime95 Blend and FFT tests alone a run and post the results.
Update: So we have 3 JY's that don't Thermal Throttle with this test, and 3 that do. But, they ones that do don't Thermal Throttle in games / apps (so far).Last edited: Dec 12, 2014 -
So I ended up returning both units and am now without a gaming machine. ::tear
We had some good times dear G751JY...
Actually, it wasn't even the throttling at max load that bothered me so much (as you'll probably never hit that in practice), just the fan noise at idle. Maybe my ears are just too sensitive?
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The G751 is likely the quietest next to the G750JH/JZ/JY, anything with that much heat generation is going to have fans running.
Too bad the baffles didn't work. I was going to suggest acoustic isolation feet, like used on audio equipment to disconnect the chassis from the stand.
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Actually the G751's fan noise under load was excellent! Much quieter than other gaming laptops in my experience. It was just that while idle, the fans were subjectively as loud as most ultraportable laptops get while under moderate load. Perhaps I have been spoiled by newer thin-and-light laptops, but I just have an expectation that all laptops should be inaudible while idle.
The problem with muffling the fans is that the fan noise is frequency, not sound pressure, based. Even when I completely covered the vents, any small opening will allow the sound to penetrate. Also it could also be my ears are more sensitive to higher pitched tones in a quiet environment.
From what I've read, the GT72 is noticeably louder than the G751, at least under load. Although, I haven't read anything specifically stating the tone characteristic of the machine while idle.
Seeing as how your G750JH is inaudible at idle, that gives me hope that the refreshed G750JY will also be able to achieve the same result, since they share the same chassis and the 980M has a lower TDP. True there is Optimus, but I think there is a good chance that there will be some way (bios/registry hack/nvidia switch actually working lol) to disable Optimus, so I decided to wait. Painful though, as I won't be able to game over Christmas
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You could pick up an inexpensive used JW/JX/JH to game on until something gels into stable existence...you have already paid dues going through the JY teething pains.
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Haha, "I wish" I could find an inexpensive G750JH. All the people selling them want ~$1800, lol. Honestly though, I almost never buy used...something about having a virgin, new machine just really adds to the experience you know?
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in europe the g750jy us everywhere,in romania it costs 2100euro and it has gtx 980m 8gb,256 ssd raid 0 and 1 tb hdd,24gb ram.
i got my g751jy for 1400euros and i bought extra 250ssd samsung plus 8gb ram for 200euros...so 1600euro total -
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Some test runs are barely under Thermal Throttling, and some are just over the Thermal Throttling point in their tests, and it looks like ambient temperature / local conditions are a determining factor. At low ambient it is less likely to Thermal Throttle.
Also, not sure if hwinfo is including TDP Power Limit Throttling in it's Thermal Throttling reading - hwinfo doesn't have a separate TDP Power Limit reading.
This is the long thread in which we have been hashing it out, currently last page top of page is here:
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A couple of notes: my tests were P95(blend) instead of FFT so I might have actually been able to hit higher CPU temps. Also remember, I noticed a fan noise difference, where my first machine audibly ran the fans louder, producing 2C lower temps. I wonder if the ambient temperature determines if the fans will kick into max mode...
My room is probably 21-22C in temperature, and the testing conditions were on a table with about a 30cm clearance to the wall and a bookshelf. That could have brought the ambient temp up maybe 2 degrees.
We need a friggen lab to run these tests!
You know hmscott, I am reconsidering your suggestion to get the GT72. Sure it might be about $500 more for about the same specs as the G751JY, but it possible that with some tweaking I can get good idle fan noise...plus, going one day without my gaming laptop was tough!
Oh yeah, and sorry I didn't get to test out the USB fix you linked to on my first unit. But at least you can record the my second unit did not experience dropouts while using a USB 3.0 PNY flash and Seagate HDD on the left side. -
Hello,
I've just bought a ROG G751JY-T7067H, but after 2 weeks, I broke the screen...
I need to buy another one, the reference is LG LP173WF4-SPD1, but I found only LP173WF4-SPF1, is it the same screen ?
Have you got a specific URL where I can find a LP173WF4-SPD1 ?
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The GT72 would be nice to have for a while for testing / use, and it might even turn out to be a keeper.
The MSI I had was quiet at idle, but for gaming/benchmarking it was very noisy when kicking on the Turbo Fan with the manual switch. And, it was an early Haswell that didn't have the BIOS settings for enabling VM features, so I couldn't keep it. It did feel weird not having an ROG laptop as well... glad I ended up with the JW/JX/JH in the long run.
Here is an internals looks at the GT72 via the MSI how to upgrade video for swapping in a new 980m card from an 870m.
MSI GT72 Dominator (Pro) GTX 900M series MXM graphics upgrade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZZ5hGDZpI8
It doesn't make a lot sense to do the upgrade path, it voids the warranty if you muck it up, and it costs more than selling the old laptop and buying a new one
It's interesting that you had a good laptop with USB on the left side working, the second time. It shows that the problem is hardware related. I think it might be a faulty built connecting cable that doesn't have a good ground from the board. That left side USB adapter board is connected with a USB cable, see photo posted earlier in thread, here it is again - shown flipped over left to right.
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Also, I haven't seen that scree available individually yet.
Check with Asus via a Technical Inquiry form here:
https://vip.asus.com <== create a login, register your laptop, and file a Technical Inquiry with the clear details of the problem / request.
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http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?54521-Cpu-or-Fan-problem&p=457188&viewfull=1#post457188
The 2nd test looks like it only had 6 worker threads complete for prime95 - did you notice that, or start with only 6 worker threads? Or are they just not visible in the window? prime95 stops worker threads that have a compute error, it's always good to check the threads to see they all were running without interruption.
It would be nice to see the same 8 worker test for blend to see if the temps are lower compared to the 8 worker thread blend, perhaps you can do another run?
If that was a full 8 worker run, that is a big temperature difference, expected as Blend isn't as intensive as Small FFT.Last edited: Dec 13, 2014 -
If anyone wants to advise me on a laptop to replace my G751 which I am looking to send back, please feel free to post here.
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That picture by the way shows why Asus went with 4GB, they only have pads for 8 chips so you can't get higher density chips at the moment
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Aren't the temps too high on the GPU?! Looks like cooling and pasting is fine on CPU but with GPU it's like cooling via CPU's cooler more then it's own pipes??
P - prime95 (s - small FFT; b - blend); F- furmark
this cooling system is alright when only CPU or GPU is stressed at one time, but it is a weak spot when these are stressed simultaniously (games mostly)
wonder what will the temps be in the summer...
In my point of view this laptop has major adventages:
+ no optimus is a plus for raytracing on CPU, so there is extra cache at disposal and no extra heat from igp
+ great config for small price
+ IPS screen (though entry level still better then most TNs in laptops)
My 2nd unit (after first with dead screen) is flawless so far - except subwoofer playing same sounds as right and left channel (seen a thread about this already - waiting for software update)Last edited: Dec 14, 2014 -
. Maybe it's worth it to get the DH72X version after all.
Nvidia says their GPUs can operate above 100C, so even though your GPU temps are about 2C higher than mine, that's an excellent trade, since you avoid CPU throttling.
Hmm, the buy button on the GT72 is calling me...
How long should I wait for the G750JY to come to Canada? Or maybe I should just get it and run the same tests, so we can get a good comparison of temps and fan noise?Last edited: Dec 14, 2014 -
I wasnt aware Asus refreshed the G750JY with the latest GPU. Is there a reason they have 8gb 980m on this version? Also will there be any way to remove optimus?
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There is no refresh as far as I was aware, the G751 is the replacement to the G750.
Asus G751 coming with Maxwell GTX 980M and GTX 970M
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