Asus ROG G74 coming?

if so it should cost even less wich is even better

 

thx for the reply.
the cheapest one is quite affordable - although only comes with a dvd-r and not a blueray - and not 3D - which i'm really curious about gonna make any difference...

i feel like the whole 3D jimbo is overexagurated.

final question, only 1,5 gb ddr5 on the 560 - will it have any leverage on the 460 whatsoever?

 

The amount of video memory has little to no effect on performance at 1080p once you get over 1GB, it's just marketing hype. Bus bandwidth, clock speeds and the amount of shaders are what really make a difference.

Expect the 560 to perform better due to higher clock speeds.

 

Looks like the G74SX is not getting optimus T_T AnandTech - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M: High-End Mobile Graphics with Optimus

 

No, it is getting, and according to new tests and values, 560 is better than ati 5870!!!!

http://www.geforce.com/#/Hardware/GPUs/geforce-gtx-560m//overview

Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

ATM only AW and Toshiba support Optimus with GTX560m!

A 814MHz GTX560 gets 2200 in 3DMark11.
My 5870 easily gets 2150 stock and 2500 overclocked (w/o SandyBridge). This 1,5 year old card don't smoke dust against a stock GTX560.

You should read the other threads here too.

Or a mod should merge the threads.

 

I think Asus G74 won't skip this since notebook should work silently.

By the way, new Toshiba with GTX560m will be in 18.4 laptop again? Is there any link or website about this laptop?

 

They will for sure.

The Toshiba Qosmio 770
Have a look
3D-version - no Optimus
2D-version - with Optimus
Always the same

 

Got a link to that as the article I linked states.

 

If Asus won't get it, it will be a bigger minus and I will think twice to buy Asus g74 (just because it is silent) or Toshiba since it will have 18.4' screen. However, as I read, toshiba won't have 18.4' screen so it loses its chance in my eyes

 

If you want to ship any tech stuff from the US to the UK, you have to pay VAT and import tax when it gets here - that used to add 25% to the price. That was the rate when VAT was 17.5%, not 20%. Once you add shipping to the cost there are only a few things that are worth importing.

Sometimes you could manage to get things through customs if you bought them in the US, but they'd be certain to ask questions about a new laptop.

Also in the UK all your rights as a consumer are against the retailer - provided that it's a UK retailer. I think you'd still have rights against an EU one, but if the machine was DOA your US retailer can simply say, "It was fine when it left us. Contact Fedex (or whoever)." And you're probably up the proverbial creek. If Asus in EU will provide backup for US purchased machines, then that will help, but you still have the hazards of international shipping.

But the clincher is the customs payment. I once got a CD from the States, which simply wasn't available here, and found that not only did I have to pay the tax (substantial) but also a handling charge to DHL (or whoever it was) who were responsible for making sure it was paid. I'd reckoned on the extra £5 (or whatever) but hadn't realised I'd more than double that with DHL's fees.

That wouldn't be the case with a laptop, but the fact that you have to pay the customs via the shipping agent makes it hard to avoid.

db

 

But don't you think so that there may be many compability issues with the Optimus being implemented??

And is it true that with Optimus, the GTX560m won't be able to perform at it's best performance?

 

Thank goodness the G74 isn't using Optimus...I can't believe people are being suckered into thinking that's a *GOOD THING*.

Also can't believe I was attacked for daring to suggest the the G73/74 are good notebooks, or that the GTX 460 or 560 aren't "crap"

Yup. You've got to deal with compatibility issues, increased latency, etc.

With "Optimus", the real GPU is the awful Intel graphics. The GPU you actually want to use as the GPU (i.e. the GTX 560) is having to communicate across the the PCIe bus, and doesn't have access to the physical display output.

Basically, if both Nvidia's and Intel's drivers are cooperating, and working okay for a particular game/program, stuff gets processed by the GTX 560, and then the finished image-instead of being output directly to the display, like normal-has to be sent across the PCIe bus to Intel's graphics, and then Intel's graphics actually display the final image as basically a movie.

It adds latency, driver complexity, and of course eats up more of the PCIe bus, since besides everything the GTX 560 is NORMALLY doing, it's having to shunt completed frames across that bus too.

I really, REALLY wish Sandy Bridge used those transistors for another core or more cache, etc., instead.

But anyway, if you're dealing with some super tiny notebook with low end parts, Optimus MIGHT make sense...I can at least see the case for it.

Sticking a high end GPU behind Intel's graphics? No. Makes no sense to me. What's next? Sticking an i7 behind an ARM core, making any calculations it does have to be passed off to the ARM chip? Eww.

Anyway, I'm relieved this isn't using Optimus. That's a selling point, not a detraction

Hmm...looks like the GTX 560 is about 15% faster than the 460? The RAM is presumably a gimmick, but whatever. (At least it's less of a gimmick than on some of Dell's XPS models!)

Eh, I woudln't worry about it if I already had the last gen part, but hey, I'll take the boost. Keyboard layout looks nice too...I guess?

Hopefully this thing's hard drives will be as easy to access as before...

 

Have you any source to show such decrease in performance? Had AW 17x r3 GTX460 owners claimed about this point?

Imho Optimus wouldn't be that bad. Why the "big" GPU has to activated while surfing or writing emails? The GPU don't need to be cooled by a noisy fan and the HD3000 surely needs less power (think for battery).

 

It does, its called Sandy Bridge E and is for the enthusiast market while SNB is for main stream.

I really can't believe you are so against Optiums and Switchable graphics, I for one can't wait to see a higher end laptop like Clevo, ASUS, HP etc with it in for the "holy grail" for power and performance when needed and battery life and portability when not.

Drivers will get better over time (take a look at tom's hardware review on how newer drivers can give increased performance over the one's available at release date) and that 10% gap you keep quoting (please provide a link I would like to have a read of it) will slowly disappear until the point that you won't be able to get a laptop (and possibly even a desktop) without the ability to switch graphics.

 

Some new pictures I guess

ASUS G74 inside office | Facebook

 

Here's a new video of the G74 Asus posted early this morning

YouTube - ‪G74 Final‬‏

 

After all my hatred towards the G74. Im beginning to warm to it.

I feel dirty posting this comment after the abuse I have given it.

 

its nice and all but i dont c any reason to warrant a g73 user to get one.

 

I HATED the g73 when I first saw it at Best Buy. But after I did some research and found a sale, I loved it. I actually love the design and everything. My only grievance is with the directional arrows and number pad.

I like the g74 for that reason, but I"ll stick to mine. SSD and 920 coming this fall.

 

They removed all the red parts in it. I think that they read our comments about the g74 when they first launched the prototype, thats nice. and again that commercial is epic!

 

If they would had read the comments (here? lol), they had put in a more recent GPU.
Still laughing about "easy access panel".

 

Why, because it is true. Normal users should not be able to access to gpu and cpu that easily. Because why buy a computer for those money and then go buy a new gfx?

 

Meh, it's OK. But not a thing to mention it explicitly.
The point is, that Asus now is proud of the access to all the RAM slots.
But who is changing HDD/SSD and RAM all day long?
HDD swap was easy before too (except G53 ).

 

well even though you only change those things maybe once it would still be nice if was easy?

 

As of this thread, the G74SX comes with 12GB RAM. More than enough. Even 8GB is imho enough for most of us, or? This will be the minimum config for sure.
Nevertheless, I agree with the better access to all the RAM slots.
But a "Easy-Fan-Clean"-Access would be more sensational.

 

any best buy models? within 1299?

 

My next baby!!

 

Nice! It looks like not only are both hard drive bays easily accessible...so are all four RAM slots!

Yeah, I'm glad I waited for this.

Nope. I'd wait a few years before buying something new.

I wonder what the RAM config is? 4-4-2-2? I'm happy regardless, but I hope it's in dual channel mode.

And yeah, 12GB is complete, insane overkill...geez, actually this will be 15GB total.

4GB is completely fine for most of us, unless you're into some sort of heavy duty editing or running giant databases or something.

Not that I'm going to complain about randomly having 12GB :-D

Probably, but it'll take a while. The most expensive model isn't even out yet. I'd guess you'll see it replace the G73 model for that price at Best Buy by the fall, maybe?

 

Each bank is dual channel so the 4GB are paired with one another and the 2GB's are paired with each other so you have two pairs of dual channel RAM.

For you maybe but there are those of us out there who can handle such amounts easily as already stated in this thread (vm's, video, photo editing etc) so maybe one day you will grow up and come play outside the kiddy pool

 

My gadgets use up near 3GB of RAM without anything else running

 

I work at best buy, yesterday i checked and the out of stoke date for the g73 is 6/25/11 changed from 9/??/??. So we should get the g74 by the end of this month at best buy.

 

What kind of gadgets are you using and or talking about ?

12GB is overkill for the average gamer. Almost no one is buying this laptop to run vmware. Majority of users are not advance photoshop users. 8GB is more then enough for current programs and future. I have a quad core desktop with 4GB of ram with windows 7 ultimate. Some intense gaming, once in a while with a bit of photoshop and after effects. It's more then enough, I never ever see it use 100% memory. Also considering its a laptop, you can't even multi task as much. The screen is around 17 inches. No one is going to be super productive running multiple programs/windows on a small screen. As a gaming laptop that much ram is excessive, I would rather prefer to see 50% speed increase, rather then size. I would be glad to have 12GB just so I can play a game to fill up that ridiculous amount.

 

Too many even so I have 8GB in my G73 and I do a lot of editing and enjoy having a lot running in the background highest I have ever seen when my CPU is near flat out and far to much stuff running is just over 6GB, just like the 3GB Vram 12GB RAM is a marketing scheme and it works because so many people dont understand what you need to make a computer faster and they assume its the amount of something just like I did before I learnt about the ins and outs of hardware.

Sorry to say that Asus are not fooling the majority of the people that spend the most on buying, upgrading and modding gaming laptops and just like me I can see them losing a lot of gamers to other companies, if the G75 isn't offering better performance I will switch to Alienware because I dont mind coughing up the money if the performance I receive is worthy of it. Take the R18x with duel 6970M's that is one laptop that will severely prolong the life of the purchase even if it is costly pushing 22k+ points on 3DMark06 that is aligning itself with a powerful desktop setup and would see you clear into 2013/2014, Asus are still scratching around 13-15k on 3Dmark06 and have been since 2009 - Mid range through and through.

 

I don't think your taking into account Windows 7's superfetch. Current high quality games use about <1.5GB of ram at any time. I highly doubt there's 3GB of apps running on that computer. Otherwise you sir are a multi tasking pro

Asus is still the winner in the competition for value/price (gaming). Take the G73sw for example. Nothing comes close to those spec's (17inch FHD, sandybridge 2.0ghz, 460m) for around $1200. Alienware on the other hand charges atleast +300 dollars for the same hardware. They are your best bet for super high end, Asus doesn't seem to care about that market, at least for now.

 

Including the operating system. My gadgets use up about 1.3gb of the 3GB total and I see around 4-4.5gb when gaming. Even so im agreeing as above 12GB is just a marketing scheme unless you plan to do extensive 3D, editing work and light game, I think the basis should be more on the GPU personally because these things appeal more to 'gamers'!

Alienware is overpriced for mid range models but for high performance they offer the power required and my credit card does not care for mid ranged models

 

Nice! I'll take the 12GB then :laugh:

I don't use gadgets at all...but how the heck many his that?!?!?

I'm a power user (as are probably most people visiting a notebook site!) and I've never seen my RAM usage go over 60% of my 4GB, not counting caching stuff Windows is doing. I mean I could get by on 3GB, actually, if I had to (not that I would, since RAM is free).

But I mean...I'm running Folding, office suites, iTunes, im, Firefox with a bajillion tabs, a VM, two email clients, Dreamweaver, etc. and I've STILL never seen more than 60% in use!

 

Ummmmmm far too many I am a bit of a gadet freak. I have 15 running on screen and probably another 15 running in the background mostly monitoring the performance, temperatures, errors etc and some informative one's.

I love my gadgets! About 1.3GB or RAM so with the system running around 3GB.

 

I hope you keep us updated on the specs and price of the Best Buy Asus G74

 

Wow, end of the month was way sooner than I was expecting from Best Buy!

 

(Bill Gates sometime in the 80s.)

I used to have a simple rule - whenever you buy a computer, always get double the standard RAM at the start. That was before I switched to laptops, where you didn't have the option most of the time.

I'm on the verge of buying a G73, because if I wait for the G74 to come out, produce some glitches, get them fixed and then get the reviews of the second attempt and then .. I'll never get a new machine. I really did want to wait for the G74, but it's not enough of an improvement to make waiting sensible. However, I shall buy the G73 from a supplier who is offering 12GB.

Do I need 12 GB now? ATM I'm managing on 1GB, because I'm too cowardly to delve into the bowels of my current laptop (Acer Ferrari - the original model) and replace the burnt out RAM chip in there. You might think I'd be ecstatic about 4GB, let alone 8GB. But experience leads me to think that any machine you hope will last 3 years or more, needs more RAM. Doesn't matter how much you have, or what you use it for - it needs more RAM.

If nothing else applies, you'll find you have programs which will flog the HDD swapping out to virtual RAM if you don't have vast quantities of the real thing.

It's a law of nature (well, technology anyway).

db

 

I personally don't see the G74 having a lot of issues. The motherboard is probably the same as the G73SW, other than the new GPU there isn't a whole lot to get wrong. I know the G73JH had a ton of issues to start off with, but it was the first i7 and 5870m Asus laptop and the whole body style was new also. The JW and SW have been largely problem free due to their shared lineage with the JH, which ironed out the kinks. I see the 74 as a 73SW in a new body with a new GPU, it isn't a ground up redesign, at least AFAIK.

 

Screenshot?

 

I believe the only way you're going to get a G72SW with 12 GB ram is if you get it custom. I could be wrong but i shopped for a month or so looking everywhere and all had 8 GB.. I took the 2 bottom 2GB cards out and added my 8 GB Kit so i have 12GB. and I actually do use VM Ware for school. Even then, 8GB is more than enough.. but let me just say.. It feels good to look at the system specs and see 12.0 GB.. and to know i have more than enough to do whatever I want.. So i get where you're coming from.

 

I know what you mean about RAM...I've noticed that a lot over the past two decades. It SEEMS like it's slowed now...like 4 was pretty bog standard 2-3 (+?) years ago, but still works fine...but still, more RAM ain't a bad thing!

In the case of the G74, replacing RAM looks as easy as can be on any notebook. The G73 is almost as easy...except I guess the fourth RAM slot is under the keyboard, hard to get at.

(Of course I'm not a fan of how it can feel like you're breaking something when you insert a new stick!)

Regarding problems and whatnot...I can't fault you for that.

I'm GUESSING this ought to be solid since it seems like it's just an evolution of the same design (the G73jw already had an improved cooling system apparently, despite looking the same). GPU's basically the same but clocked faster. CPU literally is the same...

But still, the G73 is close to the same thing, and probably the safer gamble.

 

looking at the review and a 7.2 WEI score for a 3GB VRAM in i say i am NOT impressed.

i will stick with my G73JH and wait for third generation update.

 

It is not logical and you aren't suppose to upgrade when you already have a G73 in the first place unless you just want to have the best for bragging rights.

This G74 is for people that still don't have a g73 or is currently looking for a gaming laptop and G74 is definitely the model to buy compared to G73 so there is no point in bashing the G74 (saying not impressed) just because the newer G74 is overshadowing your old tech.

 

hmm, makes sence that g74 is for people that doesn't have g73. But what if I have a g73 and is within the "full return" time ? Here in norway I can return any product within 1 month of purchase and get full refund - and I still have a few days left. What I liked about the G74 is the arrows and memory slots. Arrows on the g73 is a bit too mixed in with the rest of the keyboard, and the memory are kinda hard to access. Price from the store is about the same, so it'd be more or less an even-steven case price-wise.

Should I ask for refund and go g74 ?

 

If I were you, I would do that.

 

If it's for free, it's for me!

I'd recommend it. If anything, you're just getting a nicer keyboard and crap, but more importantly it's also getting hardware upgrades (updates) and, unless the entirety of Asus is deaf, it'll probably have much less errors at launch. Once again, even though the new hardware is negligible, it still will be more efficient if worse comes to worse.