Asus ROG G74 coming?

Change the price to 3k+ USD and ask the same question in the Alienware x18m section. AW does SLI and there is a significant group of customers who buy such hardware rather than desktops and the price is not an issue.

Going for a laptop is a matter of preference I'd say. Gaming notebooks can be bulky, yet are still portable. Put a G73 in an aluminium suitcase and you can safely travel anywhere with it. You cannot do that with a desktop.

 

No it doesn't. They're comparable parts.

As opposed to other companies doing the same? As opposed to not upgrading the CPU because they don't have an equivalent GPU upgrade in the same price/power range to go to?

I don't know that they raised the price with the SW, though I think it did creep up with the jw. I'd assume that's because it's always been out of stock and the like, and retailers were marking it up to the prices I now see it going for, apparently set by Asus. (Talking about the A1 model, other models are a lot cheaper.) I'd prefer cheaper of course, but I'm hardly faulting them for taking the money, and it's still cheaper than alternatives I've looked at.

So a 2GHz 32nm Sandy Bridge is the same as a 1.73GHz 45nm Nehalam?

Two massive problems there. One, the point is things actually work-everything you want to run, whether it's a business app, a game, Blu Ray, all just works. Two, the "pathetic excuse for a GPU" as you call it is actually a high end one by notebook standards, and Nvidia's third from the top. There are only 3 better GPUs available, which does not make it "pathetic", regardless of whether you or I would prefer to spend more on one of those three better GPUs.

Yep. ANd it's a heck of a lot more convenient for me to have a single computer that does everything, rather than having to maintain two separate systems.

 

Releasing a GPU in a laptop a year later that is comparable if not slightly less powered. Seriously.

$500-$600 more for a more powerful CPU when a gamer needs a more powerful GPU? What is the point? There isn't one and there are more powerful GPU's on sale at the time they did this.

Marking up the prices but also marking up the performance at least from Alienware's side of the market and how can you not fault them for taking more money for less gaming performance? Clearly that is not a consumer point of view.

No. But what does it matter when the GPU is still crap.

I dunno what drivers your using but I have never had a driver that cannot run a movie or an application. By the time its released it will be mid range within a month or two and there are plenty of GPU's that are better than it. 6950, 6970, 470, 480, 485...and these have been out for months.

I am bored of arguing with you over whether or not its worth it because its not and people on here have supported the fact that its not going to be worth the price for it to be out of date within a year the rate that hardware is being released these days. I support Asus and will stay with Asus until their next release after the G74 but do not think that I will agree with any of the points you are making that its a worthy purchase when there are older and far more powerful GPU's that have been out for 6 months and have been ignored because Asus only care about making money.

 

(Neo) Woah.

I was going to rip Cloudfire up a bit, but Wolfpup got in a quick bite. But I would like to discuss something about the current Asus business model.

Asus is NOT interested in producing bleeding-edge systems in regards to the gaming laptops. What they are interested in is making units that are "good enough" that can be sold in that $1200 - $1600 price range, aka "best bang for buck" ratio. They do NOT expect you to have to change anything hardware... thus why the systems come with 6-8GB, and decent CPU's.

Also, in regards to notebooks, Asus has decided to go the nvidia route. I think the 5870M fiasco left them with some bitterness in the mouths of management. So I do NOT expect to see a 6970M solution anytime soon, despite it being the King of price/performance.

It has an attractive style, solid hardware, great cooling, and comes standard with very productive hardware for a great price. The majority of consumers buy hardware within their specs, and that is where Asus will push their gear.

If you need better hardware than what is offered, shop elsewhere. Simple as that.

 

Optimus is not bad. It is required for TDPs over 50W imo. And no, it is not the cost of the CPU that is $200. It is for the work to upgrade the CPU. And yes, resellers offer upgrades on Asus laptops, and to give you an example: 2630QM to 2720QM cost $150 at XoticPC on a Sager, on a Asus it cost $350 for the same upgrade.
All Alienware laptops use drivers from Nvidia. You don`t have to use the stock drivers from Dell. And yes the 90%+ gamut screens blows the Asus screens out of the water. In contrast, clarity, viewing angles etc.
I won`t even have the GPU discussion with you. GTX 460 completely sucks compared to 6970M and 485M. I am not saying that it is bad for gaming, just stating that it would be nice to cater for the hardcore gamers as well.

Sager and Alienware are miles ahead of Asus in the high tech department.

 

Sums up Asus perfectly. +1

But it does not satisfy the hardcore gamers needs that want Asus to contend with the higher performance hardware! I dont want to move to the ugly Sager's or the over expensive Alienware models! Some of us want some good old fashioned muscle and they should have learned from their mistakes with the 5870M and come back firing at all cylinders instead of cowering like a rabbit in the headlights trying to make the new models sound all fantastic because they have a Sandy Bridge.

 

See my previous post.

It's the same or about the same price, not $500-600 more.

Huh? They're not giving you less gaming performance. They did seem to go up a bit (on the highest end model) when going from the jh to jw, along with fixing problems the jh had, apparently upgrading the cooling, and upgrading the CPU. again, they're still priced as well or better than others, and surely you can see that if their retailers were doing the marking up themselves, they'd think "hey, we might as well just bump it $150" or whatever.

It never went up $500-600. It might actually be cheaper in lower end configs, I'm not 100% sure.

Wow. Okay, so the fourth best mobile GPU on the planet is "crap" to you. Okay. (Well, fifth best or whatever if you start adding in variants.)

Well I have. Driver stability and compatibility is paramount to me.

So you've claimed. As I've said, you want slightly better, you can get it...for a price. Or get into SLI stuff, etc., that's really going to cost you.

These things are price competitive, IMO well chosen components. You're misinformed if you think that GPU is "weak" or whatever.

"Worthy purchase" is entirely up to you. What you continue to miss is that it's CHEAPER than systems with more expensive hardware. You're also wrong about where that GPU sits in the scheme of things.

Yes, you can do better...but not at that price. No, they haven't raised prices "$500-600". They haven't raised them at all since the jw that I can tell.

 

Probably part of the "deal" for exclusivity is getting nvidia parts cheaper, which at their volume is worth millions of $$$ in savings. :shrugs: They have many models, and they use nvidia chips too. It is what it is.

@Cloudfire: You are welcome to hit the G Series Notebook forum @ asusrog.com and check my laptop reviews. In them I also have gaming performance reviews with settings achieved and FPS performance. In real-world gaming I've found the 460M and the 5870M are comparable, and the titles show very playable performance. The G73SW-A1 I have here has some very nice OC potential with its 460M (850/1500/1700).

 

I expect you with all your power by now to be able to take over the world....

So your mission should you choose to accept it Chastity is to make sure Asus put a Graphics card worthy of running The Witcher 4 - Triss gets stuck up a tree, In the G75 series laptops.

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The only problem i can remember the JW had was the GPU drivers, which were a bit buggy but it got fixed pretty quick. And the reason why the swapped to gtx460m was that it had similar performance. It performs better in Dx11 games as i can see, but also promote 3D, which some (i dont) think is very nice. It also didnt have all the problems have all the problems that the gtx460 had. Also the temps were better.

 

Asus switched to the 3D setup somewhere around that time and an Nvidia card was necessary for that, so in the end 5870 -> 460m introducing 3d Vision was a step forward, although, as you said, there was no real change in terms of cards' performance.

What you said and the 3D setup again. ATI cannot do it. I don't expect seeing Asus going back to ATI any time soon, as the '3D readiness' became an important part of Asus' advertising campaigns.

 

Well, personal preference I guess, but I avoid notebooks with it. I don't want the worse compatibility, more complex drivers, increased risk something Intel does will break it, or decreased performance.

You're misunderstanding what's going on. Yes, there are retailers that sell CPU upgrades for it. But that's not the same as with brands where that's officially offered. With the Asus, you're buying TWO CPUs, the one it comes with, and the full price of the one you're upgrading to. With other brands, you're paying somewhere in between, closer to just the price of the higher end CPU.

Asus is just trying to pick a good mix of components, and ship solidly priced systems around them, not offer tons of choices or the very fastest CPUs. If you want that, it may start to become cheaper to get a Dell or whatever.

Intellectually speaking, I know the 2GHz Sandy Bridge is a great choice-cheap, and provides most of the power of a chip $1000 more expensive. I'd probably still bump it to the 2.2Ghz one if buying a Dell or whatever, but at least as long as I've been buying/looking at Asus stuff, they've been picking kind of "lowest end of the high end" components for a lot of their systems, as those have a really good bang for the buck.

Well, not the first M11x, but yeah. The problem is the M17x-R3 uses Optimus. Given that, it's a worse choice for me (or for anyone who wants the most out of that GPU and the fewest problems) versus the G73.

Well again, this is a VERY good screen. It's the best one Anandtech has tested. It is not "crap" or whatever.

No, it does not. That's more powerful...but on paper only by 20-33%. Someone posted artificial benchmarks that stuck it in the 20-40% range, with 35% average, which is actually what we'd expect. That does not mean the 460 "completely sucks".

Don't presume to speak for all core gamers. This system, this config, most certainly is adequate for ANY gamer, and is a great price/performance level that a lot of power users are looking for. I'd probably spend a few hundred more on the 485...but probably most wouldn't, which is why they're selling what they're selling.

No, they are not. Both have driver issues on most or all of the offered GPUs, as the case may be. They offer the same CPU line, and to get anything significantly better, you have to pay significantly more. Even then, it'll be overtaken by something in a year or two anyway.

 

That's right. I did. You can find it here.

 

I don`t know if I understand what you meant, but you still only get the 2720QM CPU when you choose to upgrade your Asus laptop through resellers. Not the 2630QM AND the 2720QM? Is that what you meant?

But yeah I agree that 460M is capable of playing games etc. And I never said it sucked. But 35% increase for the GPU is a lot. Especially when you consider that you don`t gain as much with faster CPU than you get from GPUs. That is why I want more and better GPU options from Asus.

 

While I agree that Alienware has some pretty nice screens, Sager is somewhat lacking. They're flagship 17 inch model (np8170) comes with a screen that is way below what a top of the line gaming laptop should include. They have terrible viewing angles, dead pixels, color bleed and all sort of problems. In fact, if you read the NP8170 owners thread, some people returned the laptops on the basis that the screen was so unusable. Why should I have to pay another $220 for an upgraded screen on an already very expensive laptop? On top of that, the NP8170 also has BIOS issues and fan cycling and power adapter problems. That's why I have started considering Alienware and Asus again. Now I'm just waiting for them to include a high end Nvidia card to seal the deal

 

Great news!

In Denmark (Where I live) the G74 is now listed at a danish reseller.

According to them, they will get it in stock around 15th june.

The prices will be similar to the G73's prices. A G73SW costs around 1,508 euros, while a G74 costs around 1,700 euros.

Link: Komplett.dk - ASUS G74SX 17.3" Full HD

EDIT: After looking around on the internet, I found several other danish websites that have it listed.

 

I will prefer Asus g74 since it will be silent as Asus claims.

I already fed up using Clevo with depressive fan noise.

 

The last dual GPU Asus was the W90Vp. After the problems that model had, Asus has not done more super-high-end machines. A few retailers posted that asus does not have plans to do dual GPU again.

 

this is still somehow expensive

 

ahahahaha! That laptop was awesome though! Still pushes 17k 3Dmark06 when overclocking love it!

 

Yes but the w90 had GSOD problems at the beginning and occasionally I still hear of GPU problems with it. The relationship between asus and ati has definitely been a conflicted one.

 

Don't compare with danish prices. All tech stuff in Denmark are more expensive, than in other countries. And I'm also sure the price will drop, as soon as the laptop is released.

 

the USA price is still not defined?
Any retailers has any info about that price yet?

 

Europe's price is between 1400€ and 1800€, so the USA price will be similar but in $

 

Danish prices are very high. A iPad 2 16 gb cost 700 $.
The price of the G74sx 3d is 200$ more than normal. Atleast here in Denmark

In the video you can see there is easy access to the hardware.

 

Artificial benchmarks don't mean much for real world performance, "20-33%" higher benchmark scores doesn't translate to 20-33% better fps. 6970 is more than 35% faster than 460M, in fact it's about 50% faster in most of the game benches, the gap grows even greater at higher resolutions(1920x1080) and highest details. AnandTech - Eurocom Racer: Why the Radeon HD 6970M Rocks You guys have too much faith in 3dmark bench scores.

 

I have virtually none, it's just that they actually line up with the expected results based on the hardware. Does look like it does worse than that though (although they're all with a faster CPU, which may be boosting it at least somewhat).

Regardless, my issue is drivers. I MUST have officially supported hardware. Dell gives you three bad options IMO...two AMD GPUs without driver support, or an Nvidia one that supposedly has it...but also has Optimus.

It does not matter to me if one GPU is 40% faster or whatever, if I can't actually install normal drivers on it.

Also, some people were implying not the type of increase it actually shows, but from their over the top language, implying it was multiple times more powerful (or more).

 

Learned a lot from recent threads. Also changed some past beliefs. Thanks guys

1. Optimus doesn't matter, It was a major waiting point for me, as I thought I would be missing out on a lot if I didn't get a Laptop with it's support. Sadly I rather not have it slowing down my games even by 10% or possible future issues.

2. Sager isn't aesthetically pleasing also not as reliable, hardware/screen wise. Funny because that's the exact vibe I got from it when I looked at it on the xoticpc website. But still kept it in my list because of other people's reviews. It really looks low budget compared to ROG laptops.

3. Alienware is most definitely overpriced, but some people say the monitors are amazing.

Just waiting out on the 560m, that's the only good reason for me to wait another couple of weeks. Once I get the specs on that, I'm set on buying a ASUS.

 

I found myself in a dilemma for finding the right laptop, alienware's fancy flashy design doesn't look aesthetically appealing to me and its exorbitant price makes me stay away from their products even further. Clevo has almost it all, high spec, good price/performance ratio, great cooling....... but it comes with a huge downside, the looks, I mean I am not a guy in the market hunt for the prettiest laptop, but the appearance of clevo is downright ugly, i mean, just look at them.....

Asus, namely G74, on the other hand almost fills my requirement perfectly, only if it had a better GPU option.....why can't they offer more GPU options for G74? Other companies do this all the time, clevo/sagger offers 460M/470M/6970M for p150hm/p170hm, Alienware offers 460M/6870M/6970M for M17. Why can't Asus do the same for us consumers? Depending on the upgrade price, I would be willing to pay more for a better GPU like 470M or 6970M if i had the option.

 

its probably because ASUS sell motherboards and GPUs to DELL : >

 

1) Get used to Optimus. That kind of tech will become the norm and every laptop will have it in due time. Any "future issues" will be worked out by the time it's everywhere, so I can understand waiting if that will be something you can't handle having. I'm used to video cards always having problems from time to time, no matter the brand or model or computer, so eh. Performance-wise, the difference is negligible. Easily less performance lost from going Optimus/AMD equivalent and a higher model than going with the 460M over a 485M/470M or AMD 6870M/6970M. The power and heat savings could also easily extend the lifespan of your laptop.

But wait until the tech is everywhere. I don't blame you. At least then you won't have to worry about that invisible 10% performance (or less) you imagine you'll lose because everyone'll have lost it when it was built in. Also, it's curious that for other posters the difference between a 460M and a 5870M is listed at 20%-ish and that's nothing in lost performance, but using Optimus and losing less than 10% is too much.

2) Completely agree. Sager do look cheap. They have nice parts on the inside, though. Reminds me of true gamer PC's back in the day that were housed in boxes that looked cheap, but the hardware inside is what made it awesome. Asus's hardware on the inside is medium-range, but they give you sleek outsides. You choose what's important to you.

3) Alienware is overpriced? They offer SLI, Optimus options, 1080p 3d, different colors, advanced cooling, and outright high end hardware for laptops. Perhaps they're overpriced because they're the only guys ballsy enough to offer the higher end GPU's and/or GPU swapping tech in an attractive casing. Perhaps if people were a little less content with Asus sitting on their hands instead of updating their GPU, competition would drive that pricing down. Alas, people are content with 460M-level performance for what... since midway last year? And this year, 560M, hardly a change, will jump in to replace it, giving it a higher MODEL number with far too little change in performance. Not even more VRAM?

Sure, I sense someone saying, "But but.. but 460 is third/fourth/fifth/whateverth from the top, so it's not mid-range." Yes, it is. What comes after it? What GPU is fourth/fifth/sixth/whatever+1th from the top and not anywhere close to good enough? Because 460 is a lot closer to the crap GPU's for gaming than it is to the top in numeric position AND in performance.

nVidia is sitting on their hands in this space. The 560M is a refresh and a reclock of the same 460M hardware, which means it will be more disappointment. Do you really think in a year you're going to be taking your 460M/560M, pumping all your games up to their highest possible levels, run with full AA and aniso, and get 60fps? Or 30? Can you even do that with most games being released now? What's the point of a 1080p display if there aren't any GPU's to give you games at the resolution with all the bells and whistles on? To say nothing of 3d and what you'll do to get your laptop to display THAT using THAT midrange GPU some here would have you believe is even remotely high end...

AMD could do more, but at least they are improving their GPU's beyond mere clock increases and are providing more VRAM than 1/1.5GB. 2GB should be the min by now. Plus, they improved their tesselator and their drivers are really showing gains.

Good for Asus on improving the CPU, but they won't get my money until they substantially improve the performance of the GPU they add to the G73/4/x series and so far, they've been sitting on their hands along with nVidia.

 

No point in asking that here. Too many Asus defenders that cannot see this from an objective point of view. There are many previous Asus owners that have switched sides and recently bought M17x or M18x with the GPUs you are mentioning.
I too agree with you. Asus should live up to the Republic Of Gamers name.

@HisDivineShadow: I hear you mate. Sager isn`t the most beautiful laptop out there but I get some nice memories from my childhood when using it. You know, happy as the sun because you just bought a new GPU you wanted to try out on your desktop. Maybe even with a fancy fan with big blades to cool it off. Then brag to your friends about it. Ah the days.
It is not easy to do some customization inside a laptop, but atleast Alienware and Sager use a standard (MXM) so that it is possible to do so. Even if you don`t have the skills to do it, it doesnt matter because Sager features the best hardware.

 

What really makes me mad about the 560M is that it doesn't even outperform a 5870M which was included in g73 almost 1 year and half ago. Speaking of which, the final spec of gtx560M is already out, check out this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/581685-true-560m-will-not-available-15in-laptops.html They bumped the frequencies to 814/1627, that's all they did, expect it perform on par with a 5870M, if not even worse.

 

We can hope it won't, and just not buy stuff with it.

I doubt it will be everywhere, and there's no reason to think any possible issue will be worked out. PC hardware and software is already insanely complex...adding even more unnecessary complexity seems like a TERRIBLE idea to me. And then of course even if it's working, and it's working in concert with the Intel drivers, and you've got a profile for it and whatever else, you're still hurting performance.

Well I'm not. Last time I can recall having a drive issue was with my last AMD card, and even then just with some games.

It's going to be worse the more powerful the GPU involved though. And why buy a powerful system and then hobble one of the two main components behind Intel's video?

I REAAAAALLY doubt that. Every generation of CPUs and GPUs has gotten better and better at saving power when idle. Nvidia's current stuff underclocks itself to 50mhz.

The 460 has always been better for everything but games. Most people are reporting as the drivers matured, performance got better than the 800 core AMD parts.

Regardless, lost performance is just one issue with Optimus.

On one model, that STARTS at more than Asus' highest end G73 config goes for, WITHOUT even having parity with that system. You have to spend hundreds more (than the already hundreds more) to make it more powerful than the G73 is.

Can it go higher end? Yes. Absolutely. But not at all for the same price.

That's a downgrade, not an upgrade.

Not everyone wants so-called "3D", and there's an Asus with that too.

The lighting? Entirely personal preference. I hate how the M1Xx series looks, and I could never get the keyboard backlighting usable. To me it's a bad gimmick...but personal preference.

These Asus models also have advanced cooling.

So do these Asus models. Yes, you can get higher end from Dell...for more money.

It didn't when Asus had complete parity with Dell.

Regardless, if Asus put higher end hardware in, they'd have to charge more. That's not the market they're going for. For a LOT of people, these Asus models offer really sensibly chosen components that offer good bang for the buck. You want the absolute highest end, you can get something else...but you'll pay for it.

Mobile GPUs often stagnate for years. In this case there is a bit better than there was a year ago...but not in the same power or price envelope. Again, you'd have to pay more.

No it isn't. Something within spitting distance of AMD's best GPU is not "mid range". Mid range are the 96-core Nvidia or 400-480 core AMD parts.

That is COMPLETELY false, and if you'd payed attention to the countless performance numbers posted here, you'd know that.

Not to mention it's messed up anyway. "Crap GPU" would be Intel graphics, or like the 16 core/80core Nvidia/AMD parts. "Crap GPU" is not mid range hardware. Actual mid-range hardware is reasonably competant, and will certainlly run anything available today.

And the GTX 460 is easily DOUBLE the performance of ACTUAL mid-range hardware. That puts it pretty darned far from the "crap GPUs".

They have the most powerful mobile GPU. How is this "sitting on their hands"? I mean you can argue BOTH companies are, and probably be somewhat correct. But in relation to the only other serious GPU company, they are not "sitting on their hands".

And the 6870 is a refresh and a reclock of the same 5870 hardware. So what? Is it goofy the GPU companies keep doing that? Yeah, kind of. But that doesn't mean the hardware is BAD.

You realize of course that if you can't do that on a GTX 460, you're not going to be able to do it on a 6970 either, right? These parts are very close, not this giant distance you're trying to pretend. They'll both be outdated at roughly the same speed.

However I PROMISE you that driver issues aside *cough* there won't be one single game in a year that doesn't run fine on either of these parts.

The ONLY parts that can ACTUALLY run everything available now completely maxed out are like the desktop Geforce GTX 590 (I think that's what it's called). No mobile part can do that. But they do provide plenty of power to run today's games...and tomorrow's too.

You can easily go YEARS on a solid part before you need an upgrade.

All or none of these can already do that, depending on what you'll "settle" for. If you absolutely can not stand for anything but the very best, you need a GTX 590 on the desktop. If a GTX 460 is a "crap GPU" to you, than you will not remotely be satisfied by a 6970 either.

Why? Maybe I'm missing something, but so far as I know these GPUs don't need more than they've got. More is basically a marketing checkpoint.

You do realize Nvidia's tesselator wasn't improved BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BETTER than AMD's *improved* tesselator, right?

As did Nvidia's, if you follow people who own this stuff.

Again, how is Nvidia "sitting on their hands" compared to AMD, when Nvidia has the higher end part?

And again, do you understand that the configs of systems you're comparing the G73/74 to are significantly more expensive?

As I keep saying...Asus is clearly picking what they (and I) think are a good mix of components based on price/performance. If you want that price point, it makes sense to go with what they've done-basically the 'lowest end' high end dual core CPU, and the "lowest end" high end GPU.

They're doing that with the G74, did it with the G73, the G72, and I'd presume the models before that too.

Their mid range notebooks are similar-they don't offer the absolute best mid range components, but they're price competitive (and tend to be reliable too).

 

I haven't got the time to read all that.

To sum up.

The 460M is mid range, should/could have been better, is not better than a 5870M no matter what dribble your going on about, has got better. Is not the best GPU of its time. But it does the job and does it quite well.

The 5870M is better than a 460M, could do with better drivers, has got better, does run quite hot, was the best mobile GPU of its time (Jan 2010).

The 560M is going to be better than a 460M/5870M will probably get better with better drivers, should run quite cool, but will not compete with any of the top class 1 GPU's because its just an overclocked 460M, will probably be a good solution for price to power ratio.

The 6970M/485M destroy all current mobile GPU's bar crossfire/SLI, make a laughing stock of Asus, provide the kind of performance we Asus consumers want/need/should have instead of the crappy optimus lacking GPU in the Sandy bridge, and are sitting there laughing at us with desktop fan boys arguing over a 192bit GPU.

 

I sooooo agree.

I can't believe he wasted his time and ours replying to all those post. I doubt anyone will read all that junk....lol.
I don't know why you guys waste your time with this dude...he didn't get it then, why do you think he'll get it now?

Please don't feed him.

 

Nevermind
Gtx 560m,

 

Agree with that... The Alienware Laptop in my country (south east asia region) is just too overpriced... In USA, (alienware.com) the m17x which has the same spec as G73JH just cost about $2000-$2500.. In my country, it costs $3199!!!!! The M15x in USA which just cost $1600, in here, it cost $2100, with the lower spec!!

 

He is definitely right. In most of EU Alienware is too damn overpriced!

People living in EU does not have many opportunities to go out and buy a gaming laptop, since the only gamer PC brands available is Toshiba (Qosmio), Msi and Asus. And out of these brands Asus is the best bang for the buck.

I do agree with the critiscms of Asus midrange hardware, but that's the only opportunity, which I certainly have. I don't want to pay almost double price for Alienware..

 

The same thing goes to me, I was considering of Alienware m15x with 720qm gtx260m, 4GB ram and 500GB for $2199 is just nonsense compared to Asus G73H-A1 for only $2099... And I think Asus did well on it's hardware... All of the G series have the best price for their performance compared to others... Moreover, the Asus in USA and other country give the CPU, HDD and RAM options... In my country, I have to choose one from the Asus local dealers which not support that option.. All Gx3 Series are sold in 720-740qm, there is no 8xxqm..

Also, I don't mind of having the 5870M or GTX560M or GTX460M, but I am on ATI,..Asus give the best performance in G series, if you want more, it means you have more money, then you can go for Alienware for your desired spec, or a desktop....However, the higher the hardware spec, the more I worry about the heat... If I want a very high spec of hardware, then I will choose the desktop... I mean, the G73 and G53 now can handle almost every game in the market... I am sure the G74 will come out in a reasonable price and specification..

 

You can get an Alienware laptop with the US price. You don`t have to pay the BS prices we europeans have to put up with. It is actually very easy to ship the alienware to Europe. So that price argument is wrong

 

What about warranty? A notebook bought in the EU can be easily RMA'ed locally. How does it work in case of a notebook bought in the States? Does American warranty conditions still apply in Europe?

Edit: Look here. That's why it's better to buy locally. Is the price argument wrong? It is not. Buying locally is much much safer. Stress and nerves do not cost money, but undeniably they can cost you a lot.

If one wants to buy without stress and extra expenses, and that's why most consumers want, one is bound to buy locally. The guy in that thread is screwed. Now he has to pay 120 bucks to send the damaged notebook back to the States. If the thing was bought in Europe, he would only have to replace it, and in Europe AW tends to be overprices (especially vs AW prices from the States).

 

hello

my first post, so be gentle.

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the prices in norway are absolutely horrible, however i've been glaring at this g74 for ages now so I'm finally in for one.

however, I think that the most prizy one with 16gb and 160ssd are overprized... how much hazzle is it to buy the cheapest one and insert a SSD yourself and extra ram?

(by the way, do you need 16gb - shouldnt 8gb be sufficient for "standard" gaming?)

 

No you are wrong. You can transfer the warranty to an international one where you don`t have to communicate with the US branch at all. You can find many threads about it on NBR. That guy in the thread bought his from a dell outlet. There is always different terms with that than buying directly from Alienware, which you can, without going through resellers.

 

This thread is starting to degenerate a bit. Please don't pick apart posts in replies and attack each other. Read the forum rules.

The topic should be discussing the G74 specs -- comparing it to other systems is fine as long as it doesn't degenerate into flames or brand-name arguments.

If you are going to post about X vs Y make it a technical argument with substantiated claims.

 

Changing or adding a HDD or SSD should be as easy as eating cake. All you need is a screwdriver, a caddy for the new drive (if you replace a drive, just use the caddy that held the old drive in place) and that's it.

8GB is already overkill for gaming so don't go for 16GB.

Buying the cheapest model and upgrading will in most cases cost you less than buying it with all the bells and whistles.

 

Alienware laptops are expensive compared to ROG laptops. Most likely the G74 and whatever other G series will keep up that trend.

I'm really hoping the 560m has considerably better performance then the 460m. Most likely not going to happen as a lot of other people are suggesting.

Does anyone know what ati is doing to compete with the release of 560m? Everywhere I look most vendors are using nvidia cards over ATi, especially in the mid range. ati's been doing good, considering the old 5870m still beats 460m in some games. Price is probably cheaper too. Maybe because of Optimus and 3D support ?

 

IMHO, it's just because of nvidia better support, driver and temps, couple this with the 3d capability, wich SHOULD appeal more THE "casual"gamer, (do not tell me you are gonna play 3D games competitively).

Such gamers also won't like buy the most expensive laptop, so nvidia fits for the mid range card better then ati (at least, this is what I believe).



Again, converting the price of that norvegian site, for the g74 (the basic one) I get a price of 1400 euro...

And since asus usually pass from Dollar to Euro directly, I would say that 1400 $ really is a nice price for the laptop...
And with my workaround I think I can swap my g73jh for it, without adding any money,
If you could do the same, won't you do it?

 

Norway does not have membership in EU, so those may be over priced.

 

Gotta love the strong NOK.
Norway <3