Asus ROG G74 coming?

too me its look ugly specially from backside but that's my own personal opinion

 

I have to agree with you. I think the G74's styling is a bit too aggressive.

But again, perhaps ASUS is trying to lure some of those customers who normally would go for an AW.

 

The G53SX looks great, except those don't have user replaceable hard drives (not easily) so that's out for me.

The G73 doesn't have issues using Nvidia's normal drivers, does it? If not, it or the G74 still seem like great systems.

 

imo, the MSI's looks cheapy. The design is very plastic-like.

 

I was talking generally msi designs.
But no, it has mate look the G74.
The GT 780 has a nice look but still has that plastic look.

The question is not if it is plastic, but if it looks like plastic. And the msi look like plastic.

 

Calling someone's criticism "stupid" is out of line. Simply disagreeing is sufficient. Riisdahl even prefaced his statement by saying it was his opinion, which he is entitled to have.

 

I think he meant the glossy plastic finish. I don't mind plastic, with the right polymer/blend you can get something quite solid, it's the glossy finish i loathe. A matte/rubberized paint coating like on the G73 is something i like though. I like gaming laptops that say gaming laptop without all the blinking LEDs. Not too serious when you have to present research result to the defense R&D .

 

I think the brushed aluminum is very visible on the GT780R imo. Much better than the blackish plastic look the Asus G-series are doing. But then again, Asus is not alone on this since most manufacturers choose to put high end hardware in a cheap chassis to cut the costs. A shame really
If only MSI had the same awesome cooling system as Asus...

 

Yeah i heard that it is effective but i rather have 2 fans running on low speed than 1 fan making more noise because it have to cool the entire system. I will await the reviews to see how they both fare.
How big are the fans in GX660 and G73 btw?

Edit: I have read a few reviews of the GX660 and it didn`t do well in the noise emission tests. Noise is something i hate and i actually pick my laptops with that in mind.

Here is what notebookreview said about the GX660:

Here is what notebookreview said about Asus G73SW:

The Asus produce the same desibel with high load as GX660 does with idle lol. G-series probably have the best cooling system out there imo.

 

I don't know how it does against the jh, but the jw cools better. Maybe the GPU's cooler, but it also is an apparently somewhat redesigned cooling system, and apparently the G74 is better still?

Yeah, that's what everything I've seen says, along with Dell's M1Xx series. Although to be fair I don't know if the things I've read have tested that MSI line.

 

Well Asus had to sacrifice temps a bit to have the laptops run as quietly as they do. Still, the new MSIs don't look too bad compared to the older ones which had the glossy plastic finish. I'll see how it fares for noise then if it's not too loud i may consider it.

 

Asus didn`t sacrifice anything. In fact they did extremely well. Who cares if it reach 65 degree celsius or 75? Either it is hot or it is not. As long as the components inside don`t reach harmful levels of heat or the casing is hot to touch it does not matter what temperature you get.

G73SW review on notebookcheck

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-G73SW-Notebook.45917.0.html

CPU reached 58 degree celsius on high load which is very good too. So yeah, extremely silent and cool. Nothing to complain about. In fact Asus should be applauded. G73JW did also get the same good results

 

yeah, those results are AMAZING. WAY below any problem (and obviously I'd love having that huge of a margin!)

 

SW CPU temps reaches the same level as previous models. This can be almost 80C!
IDK what NBC measured, but 58 is little bit low.
Here are some other results.
Asus G73SW-91182V Notebook im Test Spielen mit Tiefgang auf notebookjournal.de
(German - google helps)

Owners here also reported such temperatures.

 

ok notebookjournal got this 76 degree celsius on their CPU with high load. It could be because notebookcheck had different room temperature, different paste etc. But it doesn`t really matter since the GPU got the same on NBC review. Either way it is good and notebookjournal had the same result on the casing.

 

IC7 those CPU and GPU and you are fine, I have 60/66ish for cpu and 80ish for GPU under heavy stress with my JH... Nvidia variant should have 10 celsius less...

Anyone can confirm that the price will actually start from 1400$ for the non 3D version?

 

Talking Europe, that Slovakian reseller lists the price at €1400 something. Such a price can be only be valid for SK. I bet that in the rest of the EU, e.g. Germany, G74 will surely costs around €2k, if not even more.

 

yeah I feel the same, I do wonder how much will it cost from usa, since if I swapt it, I would bought it here anyway

 

If it doesn't matter, then why did you bring it up in the first place?

MSI and Asus have comparable build quality definitely in terms of cooling.
That said, if you were overclocking and things were getting hot on your Asus, what would you really be able to do about it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but cooling mods on the MSI will involve roughly 30 less screws and 2 less hours of your time

 

Good news. (I think atleast).
Toshiba is lauching a new notebook with the gtx560m which is said to be released in a few weeks Engadget. And i found that a danish online reseller will get it in stock the 22th may. This might bring us closer to a release since the gpu will be out. Danish Reseller

 

That Slovak reseller stated that G74's ETA is 15 June. It's also stated it's going to feature "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M 3GB VRAM DDR5". That would be quite nice.
details here

 

I'd much prefer double the GPU hardware than double the video RAM (when it's already plenty) but hey, why not!

 

Doesn't make sense wasting all that space on unused VRAM when they could be using it to make bigger better memory controllers.

 

3gb vram isn't going to help a damn.
But at least it's a multiple of 1.5gb so it uses the full 192 memory bus.

 

better a 3GB version than the one presented on CeBIT with 1GB RAM

 

I read about the G74SX, 4 months ago. I'm surprised that this hasn't been released yet.

Asus is loosing it. When the G73JH came out of nowhere with the 5870M all the other manufactures were scrambling to come up with something comparable for the price. Alienware even created the M17x R3 for this market.

I'd really like to see Asus get back on track in both technology outside of tablets and customer service.

 

I actually like the design of this G74. I wish it had a better GPU and I hope it's MXM based giving the possibility of upgrading to something more powerful.

 

How aren't they? They have the newest CPU in there already, and the GPU seems like a minor bump, if it's anything.

 

I doubt they will, they never do, why should they start now?

CPU is good, but the GPU is somehow disappointing, since for what do we know now, it is basically as powerful as the old 5870...

I still hope that the price of it is somehow lower than the current G73 line (since there will be a regular and a 3D version), that would still mean something (1400$ will be a great price if proven true)

 

The i7-2630QM is nothing to call home about. I had a M17x R3 with one and my stock i7 940XM could mop the floor with it....all that's before I OC'ed the multipliers.

The GTX 560M is about the same as a 460M.

Quoted from notebookcheck regarding the 560M in the G74.

This is on a level of a fast GTX 460M, as the pre-sample only featured 1GB of graphics ram leading to a small 128 Bit memory bus and a performance hit. If Asus uses this stripped down version or includes the GTX 560M with 1.5 GB RAM (and the expected higher performance) is still not clear.


Asus displays new G74 gaming laptop - Notebookcheck.net News


Asus really needs to get things moving because the G74 is already looking stale compared to it's M17x R3 competitior with 6970M.

 

Yeah, but that's basically still as good as it gets. You've got one AMD part that's better, and two Nvidia parts...those two are a LOT better...but basically nothing uses them.

The 192/800 core parts are basically as good as it gets for most high end notebooks right now. I'd love a 384 core part, or even the one in between, but...

Well first, you're comparing the lowest end current quad to the highest end former quad...but even still that doesn't sound right. Sandy Bridge is supposed to be a minimum of roughly 10% faster, so it should be as good or better than that older part...in some cases much better. At worst they should do about the same most likely.

Hmm....it would have less cache though, maybe that helps? Still, there shouldn't be some drastic advantage, and the entire system can be about the same price as just that CPU...

How so? The 6970 is more powerful, but not THAT much more powerful, and I'd never choose one, as it can't use AMD's normal drivers (which are worse even if you can use them).

I'd prefer a 470 or 485, but...

 

The 6970M competes with the GTX485M, but costs 1/2 the price.

 

ermmmm, the 5870M is equal to or slightly more powerful than the 560M gtx so the 6970m is wayyyyy more powerful than it I dunno how you work that one out.

AMD Driver arguments are fading quickly the more they release better drivers and fixes. You cannot compare drivers against games because they either choose to optimize with Nvidia or ATI not normally both.

 

Where do you get "way" more powerful from? It's double the ROPS over AMD's 800 core parts, and 160 more cores. Raw processing muscle that doesn't give it much advantage over the 460. ROPs it gives it a 33% advantage.

It's better, but worse drivers would make me think twice. That you can't even USE normal drivers completely rules it out for me.

 

Your missing the most vital point. Its 256bit width against the 192bit that the nvidia has along with the fact that ATI produce higher quality memory controllers and this is shown by comparing the 128bit 460 GTX against the 128bit 5870M. 40Gb/s against 64Gb/s with the same bus.

And then we look at benchmarks.

3DMark06: CPU:2720 + 6970: 19382 CPU: 2820 + 560M: 13919

Even with the 560M having a better processor its 5500 points lower.

There is no contest between these two, and that is where I get the 'way' more powerful from.

 

I don't think we can count on a 4-series card (that would be weird move on their part, coming up with a freshly new gaming laptop with previous gen card, thinking market politics), and since Nvidia hasn't come with anything better in the 5-series, then GTX 560m will prolly be the dedicated GPU for G74... Unless Nvidia is about to release a more powerful 5-series card, say 580m, and Asus will surprise us by equipping G74 with it (but let's face it, this is not going to happen).

Interesting is also the fact that Nvidia released 485m in fact a while ago along with announcing the 5-series line. This means they are going to come up with 580ms and better really making a difference there. I'd say that at least. They could easily re-label 485m into 58xm if there were no plans for finishing the 5-series line with something better. In the end 485 is GF104 and the chip's been on the market for a while now. Seems like Nvidia is trying to squeeze what it can out of the old line before moving faster ahead.

edit: But if it will be so, then we may find ourselves buying G74s equipped with 560ms, and then, say a couple of months later, seeing Nvidia coming with something new in the 5-series. This, in turn, could make Asus upgrade the G74-line with better GPUs soon enough. It cannot denied such situation would be very uncool, especially as the initial price for G74 cannot be expected to be low, and the future G74s, hypothetically equipped with betters GPUs of the 5-series, will effectively cost the same what we paid for, by then already old, the initial 560ms equipped models.

 

The 6970 is twice as powerful as the 5870M. And the 5870M is more powerful than the 560M. Especially Asus's G74 gimped 560M


AMD Radeon HD 6970M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
The newer GTX 485M is still about 12% faster than the AMD card. Compared to the previous generation ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870, the Radeon 6970M is about 50% faster, but also need more electric power.

I soooo agree with this statement and so does notebookcheck. Wolfpup, if Chastity agrees so should you. She is seriously dedicated to the community here and Asus. I can even recall a time back in the day where Asus enlistered her help with vBIOS testing.

Here's another statement that makes sense.

The newer GTX 485M is still about 12% faster than the AMD card. Compared to the previous generation ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870, the Radeon 6970M is about 50% faster, but also need more electric power.

 

true but how much does the 940Xm not cost more than the other one. And i am sure that the Qm is more energy officiant. Its about keeping the price low. The Alienware m17x R3 with those specs is not the competitor to the g74, its price range is by far over what the Asus will cost. A m17x with the same specs as the G73jw(just an example), is over 800 $ more than the G73jw, atleast in my country Denmark.

 

If I'm not mistaken Denmark prices are ridiculous compared to what we pay in the states.

The point I'm trying to make here is that Asus is NOT upgrading their G Series GPU....like they should to remain somewhat competitve.

Here's an example:

1.G73JH>720QM+5870M
2.G73JW> 740QM+ 460M
3.G53JW> 740QM+460M
4.G53SW>2630QM+460M
5.G73SW>2630QM+460M



The G73JH has the best GPU available in the G-Series and it's almost going on 2 years. Besides a new entry level sandy bridge cpu, Asus hasn't made any improvements to the GPU.

I wouldn't call the G73 cheap either. The G73SW-3DE costs as much as a similar spec'd Alienware M17x 3D R3 at around 2000.00USD. <--This makes them competitors. You can even configure the R3 to have the same cpu, same gpu, same 3D glasses and same amount of ram the G73SW 3D has. The M17x R3 is very much a G73 & beyond competitior.

Amazon.com: ASUS G73JW-3DE Republic of Gamers 17.3-Inch 3D Gaming Laptop (Black): Electronics

The Dell Online Store: Build Your System

 

True that just the iPad 2's starting price is 700£

With the same amount of ram and a hardrive that is badder than the ones in the G73 it still is over 100$ more expensive.

 

That "gimped" unit was a preproduction model with only 1GB of RAM. Expect to see 2GB and 3GB versions out in consumer products, so Asus won't have "gimped" units.

 

The asus G53SX is going to be one hell of a machine , assuming the GTX 560m is equivalent if not better than the Ati 5870m.

 

Looks like GTX 560M is a bit stronger.
MSI GT780R with i7-2630QM reachs ~17000 pts. in 3DMark06 (1024x768 resolution).

 

Please post the results to show that the 560M is stronger than the 5870M because I do not believe this is true and you have just posted 3Dmark06 results with a lower than normal resolution with a sandy bridge? This proves nothing.

 

Here you go , GTX 560M Comparison We do not have the most accurate numbers yet but according to notebookcheck the GTX 560m is 8% better than the ATI 5870. (Comparison is based on the same resolution )

 

Ok so you are comparing two totally different processors with a GPU for benchmark results? when clearly a faster CPU like the 2820QM listed with the 560M is going to give much higher benchmark results than the 740QM listed with the 5870M. 3DMark06 takes a reading from CPU and GPU results and combines them.

You cannot compare results with benchmark software this old let alone with such a low resolution and this is what they say in that review:

' Depending on the used amount of graphics memory, the performance is between a fast GeForce GTX 460M and a Mobility Radeon HD 5870'

 

Ofc, I haven't got any legit proof. This result is from producer of MSI GT780R.

All come from polish NBC forum.

 

I think 1024x768 is the defaut resolution on that benchmark, so that would make the benchmark acceptable for comparision right? (assuming you used the same resolution, which I would think you would since it the only one available on the free version of the benchmark)

 

BTW, the test mentioned above uses the 'gimped' preproduction version of 560m with 1GB of Memory and 128 bus width. Therefore we can safely assume that the future production 560m will do better.

Yet, the '3DMark 06 comparison chart' quite clearly lists 560m scoring 4% higher than 460m and 8% than mobility 5780. This is what it says. It cannot be denied. All we can do is to do our own testing or find other (possibly more reliable) tests.

 

What they claim there is wrong for a start because you can see clearly from Notebookcheck and from many benchmark results that the 5870M is much faster than the 460M so them claiming its 4% slower than a 5870M is a loads of 'not allowed to write what I wanted to write here'.

At the end of the day its just infuriating that Asus can be this stupid and not learn from their mistakes. I would be very interested in a new G series if it was a gaming upgrade from my current setup but its not!

How can a company justify achieving no more power than my 720QM + 5870M against a brand new Sandy + 560M and charge $1000 for a new shell. They should have bought into the older 485M and produced a fine gaming laptop which people will buy because im sure many like me who already own a G73 are just going to bypass the G74 and wait for the next upgrade in a years time.