Asus ROG G74 coming?

That's exactly right. Actually, so far I've been waiting for G74 to appear so I can order it since my older gaming laptop needs a change, yet the fact that it will not feature a top of the line GPU is somewhat discouraging. I bet 485 would do, but then, as I said on the previous page, this is not going to happen (the newest gaming laptop + a previous gen card talking its ID number = bad market PR).

Well, in the end we keep on complaining even before seeing the final product. Maybe some people from Asus actually check stuff in the net and there will be some positive feedback. In the end they got rid of that red lining the cebit prototype featured.

 

Same here, i'd rather get a 920xm for my JH than getting a G74 if it comes with a 560m and i7-2630qm. I'll still get similar performance in the end.

Looks like a great laptop for those coming from older models or looking to buy their first gaming notebook though. I'll wait and see if it's the same bang for the buck that was the JH despite it's early flaws.

 

I have been having the urge to buy a 920xm over the past few days haha. So unecessary but just to blast away the benchmark results at 3.6ghz it would be like heaven.

Gonna put a bid in for 200 quid maybe hmmmmm NO I must not do it!

 

The ridiculous cost of 485M makes it impossible to penetrate the mainstream market, a 485M equipped G74 will drive its price close to 2k$ if not higher, a 470M or 570M is more realistic.

I agree putting a rebadged 460M along with sandybridge and branding it G74 is a rather stupid move, I would be much interested in a G74 if it had a 470M, 560M AKA overclocked 460M is just too weak by today's standard.

 

So Asus G73JH has 14289 pts. in the same circumstances (3DMark06 / 1024x768) plus 1200-1500 pts. difference between i7-740Qm and i7-2630Qm. Summary 15500-15700 pts. and still less than first MSI GT780R result.

 

It doesn't work like that you need to find someone with the same CPU and GPU and benchmark it because different CPU/GPU combinations produce totally different results, if anyone has a sandy and a 5870 they can post their results here and then compare.

If notebookcheck is currently showing a dodgy australian 128 bit version of the 560M then it might well give better oompf than the 5870M especially as Notebookcheck has not even noticed there is a 1GB version of the 460M yet it does not surprise. But still at the end of the day it does not justify a new model because if you look at the JH release January 2010 the power was sublime so they should be at least putting in a 6970M or 485M but they wont because they like being rich.

 

You have right that comparing results with previous and current CPUs have no sense cuz in this competition Sandy Bridge owns at benchmarks. I can say 3DMark06 have no sense nowadays. However is only score which I saw. NBC pre-sample score is nothing worth.

BTW
Don't belive in 485M/6970M using by Asus and MSI.

 

I agree.

I agree again....

<This is also the point I'm trying to make

 

G74, a few freshly taken photos (source: Asus CZ) can be found here

 

Nice find. +1 rep. I like how all of the ram is easily accessible. It looks like they removed the red trim. The afterburners are ugly and the camera/mic strip on the bezel looks like a downgrade from the G73JH's triangle camera. I think the G73JH looks better imo.

 

I'm holding out hope that it will release with something other than a 560m.

 

50% faster does not mean twice as fast, which would be 100 % faster no?

I also find that unless the new Asus G series will offer an amd 6970 they will not be a competitor for the Alienware m17x performance wise, but on the other hand, considering all the trouble the ati hd5870 gave asus, and the fact that nvidia is not really releasing a meaninfull upgrade (with the same power consumption, heat level, etc) which gives Asus an excuse for doing what they do. Eventhough they new Asus models usually cost 1700€, they also drop to 1200€ in certain webstores, placing them in a total different price range than the Alienware competition.

And tbh, I wouldn't spend 2000€-2400€ on an Aw m17x if I can buy an Asus for half the price, and then buy another asus for 1200€ in year or two with a card that will definitly be way better than the one which AW offers now.

And if you really want a lot of performance, you go with sager. You can get an NP8150 or 8170 for about 1700-2000 with an nvidia gtx485m (I calculated this comparison with machines from kobalt uk, including shipping costs to belgium, and the daily exchange rate from pound to euro's).

So to sum up, yes atm Asus offers outdated cards even before they are released, but its not entirely their fault and furthermore the asus prices drop really fast which is good for gamers on a budget.

 

6970 is impossible, Asus already stated that g74 will be using "next generation nvidia GPU". The best thing you can still hope for is that the 560M we see on the notebookcheck's page is a prototype with gimped shader cores, chance is still there that 560M will be based on 470M, Nvidia hasn't released any official info about 560M yet after all, so the final specification will be unknown until then.

G73JH was very popular among the gamers because it had the best GPU on the market at the time and the price was still way lower than AW's offers, despite of its various flaws. If 560M is indeed a 460M with higher clocks as the info we have now, Asus is going to shove a lot of its customers to AW and Clevo/Sager.

 

^Like me for exmple, I wish I could have another Asus but waiting for g74 to finally come out and with worse graphic card made no sense to me, ended up grabbin a Sager.

 

Let's talk about the EU tough. No Sagers here and I don't want to ship from overseas. This is how European market looks like.

Example: Germany (this is where I will be buying my laptop). I cannot deny I want to buy a G74 and have been waiting for it for a while now.

The newest G73sw models cost somewhere around 1800-1900 EUR, e.g.

ASUS G73SW-91182V = 1 849 EUR
i7-2630QM, 8192MB RAM, 1500GB (2x 750GB), GTX460M 1536MB, 17.3" WUXGA glare LED TFT (1920x1080) 3D + 3D vision glasses

I've also been been to alienware.de and tried to configure a 17" for the same price, and for example:

new Alienware M17x = 1 924 EUR
i7-2630QM, 8192MB RAM, 320 GB, 6870M 1GB, 17.3" FHD WLED (1.920 x 1.080)

Edit: Same setup with 6970m 2GB VRAM costs +210 EUR more = 2 134 EUR

The difference is also the 3D display which for AW a 3D version costs +235 EUR more (and requires 460m) and the disk space.

Edit: Alienware x17m can be equipped with 6970m. I did not notice it at first. This completely changes the picture.

Now, I assume that G74 will costs somewhere around 1900-2000 since it will be the newest thing. The only difference between it and G73 listed above will be the card GTX 560m 3GB VRAM. This means G74 will be pretty much in the same price range as Alienware x17m, yet AW offers much faster 6970m.

There is clearly some competition there. AW w/ 6970m w/o 3D (~2100 EUR) vs. G74 w/ 560m w/ 3D (~1900-2000 EUR). I can live without the 3D display and the disk space is also not a problem. The difference in GPUs is serious though.

Damn, this really gets me thinking. I didn't want AW and didn't want ATI, yet paying pretty much the same price for G74 (same components) and with a significantly less efficient GPU is just... unreasonable.

 

As i can see on notebookcheck.net the 6870m hasnt been released so how do you know it will have that price?

 

There is a notebook configurator on alienware.de and you can choose components you want. You can check it out yourself. 6870m is clearly available. The configurator, after you are done with the changes, displays a final price.

 

I may have missed it earlier, but those pics make it look like the screen is matte. I wonder if it's the 3D version...

Also tool-less access to the bottom panel is pretty nice. The coin-style latch reminds me of the original iMac.

 

It's probably the 3D version. Asus has me on the fence with this one, thumbs up for removing the ugly red plastic, full sized kb and tool less bottom panel. Still, that 560m irks me but that's just me. If they switched to matte screens for all models, kudos to them too.

 

No it isn't. It has double the ROPs, so for some things I suppose it is, but it's not even remotely close to double the execution hardware.

No it isn't.

How do you know it's "gimped"?

And all that's ASIDE from worse drivers, and aside from the issue that so far, all the Sandy Bridge notebooks I've seen with AMD hardware don't even SUPPORT AMD's drivers.

 

He is referring to the 128 bit version of the 560M that notebookcheck have reviewed and posted results on which IS gimped and is similar to the GTX 460M 1gb gimped version. That version the 5870M IS equivalent or slightly more powerful than it whether you believe it or not.

The actual 560M 192bit version which will be sold in the G74 laptop will be more powerful than a 5870M this we do not doubt maybe not by that much but still more powerful. However, it will still be nowhere near as powerful as a monsterous 6970M it will top it by several thousand points in most benchmarks because of the large bus and the much higher quality memory controllers that ATI use which I have mentioned a few pages back this is evident by comparing the 1GB 5870M 128bit with a 1GB 460M 128bit 64GB/s vs 40GB/s it has nothing to do with the ROP's you mention.

 

+1

This is so true, you are one of the first to realize this. People just dont get it.

 

Prices are the same in Belgium if you buy from the stores, but if you look at online stores the price difference can be like 500€.

Also, if you want a sager/clevo laptop in Europe you don't have to ship it from the States. I know of two companies: kobalt uk and xxodd (but xxodd went into bankrupcy).

Anyway, if you prefer in home repair warranty (who doesn't? :d), and don't mind spending a litle extra, the m17x with its hd 6970 should be a good buy.

 

I always buy online using a search engine that compares prices, e.g. geizhals.at. The site does wonders for German/Austrian markets, truly listing all the key shops and best prices out there, so no worries there. I was talking online 'best possible' prices.

Kobalt UK is still in the UK. I'd like to buy in Germany so I don't have to ship it from outside the country. I'd rather choose Asus or AW over Sager anyway, so that's not a problem.

Talking AW, also an Alienware x18m with 2x 460m SLI is an option (~2500 EUR) as I'd like to stay with Nvidia, yet I'd rather see it equipped with 2x production (meaning not 'asus g74 gimped') 560ms than with 460ms (and for such a price it could feature a 120Hz display and the Nvidia glasses, yet it doesn't = that's also a minus).

Well, let's see what Asus comes up with first (re G74). It's never too late to spend money, is it?

Edit: Re custom made gaming laptops in DE, there is always Schenker Notebooks. I am not interested tough. Their shells are so darn crude and ugly (and there's no lit up keyboard which is a must).

 

I know it's hard for some people here to believe but the M17x R3 was made to compete with the G Series. The original G73JH took the world by storm from a price/performance perspective. Before the G73JH, did Dell compete in the main stream gaming market by producing highly affordable Alienware models? No they did not. But they do now.
I've owned a M17x R3 with a 2630QM and 6970M. In most benchmarks the 6970M is only 7% to 11 percent slower than the 5870M CF. The 6970 is alot stronger then some of you claim it to be.

The whole problem here is that the G73JH has been out for almost 2 years and Asus has nothing worth upgrading from the G73JH.

 

My thoughts exactly, even if the final version will probably ship with a 192-bit bus 560m which as other mentioned should perform slightly better than a 5870m, i'd be surprised if the performanc eincrease is worth upgrading form a G73 to a G74 in the GPU department. Then again, i pray that it will not be the case since i like most of the design changes of the G73, i'll keep a lookout on notebookcheck for when the non-gimped 560m results come up.

 

It's important to note that the differences between Asus and AW come mainly from the fact one can freely adjust and customize AW notebooks and with Asus this is not possible.

If Asus introduced notebook setup customization, it would solve most problems mentioned in this thread. We could simply choose any GPU we want for G74, for instance, even if it meant to be limited to Nvidia only (to preserve the 3D setup), be it 560m, 460m, 470m or 485m.

This, surely, would also positively influence prices, since strong competition is the key to do that. AW runs pretty much unchecked in Germany with their prices for customized setups, mostly because it is popularly believed there's no competition (everybody knows Alienware/Dell, only some know Shenker, for example, and only a few of them actually trust the brand since it's much less known).

I believe that introducing setup customisation can surely be possible for Asus' major markets in the EU, for example Germany. In every country in Europe there is an authorized company doing warranty repairs for Asus. It is so in Germany and in Poland, for instance. I believe that selecting one major notebook supplies for each country would do the trick for Asus, and finally Asus notebooks could not only be customized but also bought directly from the manufacturer. I'd surely welcome that.

 

I never said it wasn't. I'm not talking about that part. The G73 does not use that part. I'd never even HEARD of that part until a couple of days ago.

Right...which was my point. I don't particularly care if it's a little better or a little worse though. I want it for the better drivers, and for the official driver support.

I do not care about donut mark. I don't run donut mark, I run things like Folding, games, Blu Rays, etc.

And yeah, both the 6870 and GTX 460 are pretty close to it. Yeah, it should pull ahead...maybe up to 2x at super high resolutions, but it's processing power is only 20% higher than those parts.

 

Your reply explains in a nutshell why Asus make so much money from their mid range overated and underpowered models Enjoy your G74.

And this part claiming the the GTX 460 is close to the 6970M has totally cheered me up this evening. Your either ATI, Nvidia or just plain simple.

 

How so? There are no better alternatives at the moment if you care about driver quality and support.

20%. 20%. It has 20% more execution hardware.

 

the 460M is barely half as fast as the 6970M. When you chose the 460M on the M17x R3 you have a choice to add a 1920 x 1080 120hz 3D LED screen.

If you decide that you want the 6970M you forefeit the option to get the better screen that comes as an option for the 460M. The 460M is soooo weak that you have to dumb down all the games in 3D for a decent frame rate.

If the 460M is as strong as you think it is, then why do R3 owners pick the 6970M with the lower quality screen. The screen is the most important component. What else do you use more than the screen?

 

Okay, first, the screen isn't better so far as I know. Second, the GTX 460 on that system is crippled. There are NO good GPU choices on that system, so far as I'm concerned, because of that and the driver situation. Third, the 6970 has 20% more execution hardware compared with the 6870, and thus more or less compared with Nvidia's equivalent.

I'm not acting like it's the greatest thing ever, like you're implying. But it does have driver support, and it's also nowhere near the type of gap you're claiming. It CAN'T be, even if you just look at what the hardware is.

 

Here is a very clear table showing performance relations between cards. I'd say it should be treated as an overview and not completely accurate thing, yet it surely helps to understand what's what.

If you compare the results from 3DMark06, 3DMark Vantage P GPU, 3DMark11 GPU and perhaps Cinebench R10 and R11.5, it can be clearly seen that 6970m is more efficient than 460m by roughly 35%.

3DMark06: 13044.2/17040.8 = 0.76 (meaning that 460m runs at 76% of 6790m's efficiency, difference: 24%)
3DMark Vantage P GPU: 6757.6/11573 = 0.58 (58%, diff: 42%)
3DMark11 P GPU: 1629.5/2818.5 = 0.59 (59%, diff: 41%)
Cinebench R10 OpenGL: 4899.8/7985 = 0.61 (61 %, diff: 39%)
Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL: 35.7/51.1 = 0.70 (70%, diff: 30%)

on average:
(24+42+41)/3 = 35.7 (3DMarks only)
(24+42+41+39+30)/5 = 35.2 (all 5) -> 6970m is by 35% more efficient than 460m, talking benchmarks.

Now, most games are Nvidia optimized and we cannot forget about that too. Plus Nvidia indeed has better drivers. This naturally narrows down the difference even more, say, to 30%, and I'd say that would be the final result.

The punchline is: 6970m is clearly superior to 460m, but the difference isn't as drastic as most people claim.

Edit: And if we can assume that 'final version' 560m will be faster than 460m, the difference 560m vs 6970m will be even smaller (20-25%?).

The finding above can be checked by comparing 6970m Crossfire with 460m SLI:

3DMark06: 18583/21788 = 0.85 (diff: 15%)
3DMark Vantage P GPU: 13156/20757 = 0.63 (diff: 37%)
3DMark11 P GPU: 3313/5525 = 0.6 (diff: 40%)
Cinebench R10 OpenGL: 5342/9186 = 0.58 (diff: 42%)
Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL: 38.9/66.3 = 0.59 (diff: 41%)

on average:
(15+37+40)/3 = 30.7% (3DMarks only)
(15+37+40+42+41)/5 = 35% (all 5, very same result)

Btw, if you disagree with the findings above (and you just may), please provide us a link to benchmarks you rely on. I'd love to do some math there to even better understand the differences.

Edit: Additionally, as you can find here, the very simple 'Comparison of Laptop Graphic Cards' lists 6970m at 68% and 460m at 60%, apparently in terms of overall performance. The 'zero' is 485m SLI scoring 95%.

 

I feel like a detective trying to figure out when this is going to be released.

I am assuming resellers such as Xotic PC are going to offer customizations of this system, much like they did with the G73, correct? I would definitely want a SSD and perhaps an upgraded processor.

 

You don't say

Lucky you Americans I'd love to customize (my future?) G74.

 

@skygunner27: I like how Alienware is blatantly ripping people off on the cost of the 6970M upgrade. A friend I know in Israel just got a Sager/Clevo from a dealer that came standard with a 460M. The cost for the 6970M upgrade was the equivalent of $75 US. No where near the 200+ Euro cost that was listed earlier. I've seen some US dealers try that here too. Money-grubbers.

As for the 560M, I was told that they'll be available for testing come mid-June, so we'll see what they come equip with and how they perform.

 

I heard that Alienware is really overpriced outside of the states & Canada.
In the states the 6970 R3 is priced fairly. I don't agree with everything Dell/AW does, but at the end of the day it's not about them.

 

While I have no love for artificial benchmarks, the results sound about right. It's got what, 20% (super roughly speaking) more execution hardware, 33% more ROPS and memory bandwidth, and I'd assume but am to lazy to check that it has at least that many more texture units. So...those actually look like the ballpark range I'd expect from it. (of course there's also clock speeds, RAM speeds, etc.)

I came fairly close to getting a Dell with one...until I found out AMD's drivers don't work with these Sandy Bridge system with switchable graphics. THEN I found out the Nvidia choice uses Optimus, which I want to avoid...hence I'm back to Asus, again.

 

Why avoid Optimus ?

 

Asus SUCKS compared to Alienware and Sager. Asus should go after hardware that justify their G-series name.

1. Alienware have models with 6970M and soon GTX 485M and 560M in SLI. Sager also 6970M AND 485M. Asus do not.

2. Alienware have managed to put Optimus with GTX 460M and similar option with 6970M. Asus do not. Asus said it was "too hard to implement". Alienware managed it...

3. Alienware have MXM solution where it is easy for the user to swap GPUs and CPUs. Asus do not. They use a different system.

4. Alienware and Sager have cheap CPU options. Asus do not. They cost $200 more for a CPU upgrade because their laptops is more "complicated".

5. Alienware and Sager have MUCH better screens and you can even pick Gamut screens for a extra fee. Asus do not. And don`t even get me started on the cheap materials Asus use on their laptops. Or the less than average keyboards.

Just face it. When it comes to gaming laptops, Asus is crushed by the competition. I don`t think Asus is living up to the ROG name.

 

This is an interesting point. Asus should offer some SLI notebooks. G74 going SLI with its 560ms could be a truly decent setup. Why does Asus not offer SLI setups? No idea.

In the EU G74 in its regular version will cost around 2000 EUR. A SLI options (2x 560m) could cost, say, 2500, and still the price would be reasonable (talking European markets).

 

The G73JH is still one of the best bang for buck and at least competes with the performance of its other peers at the time of release. Asus should have fixed this model and built on it not just changed provider and decided mid range models cause less problems.

Alienware maybe expensive but it packs a punch with the R3 version and Asus charging a similiar price for no better performance or looks make it totally unreasonable.

IMO sager are just ugly. :wink:

I had the last G series SLI notebook the G70S which had the 8700M GT SLI from Asus it was massively overpriced as you can imagine and ran like a dog, beautifully made mind and fantastic workmanship but ran hotter than a rash from a moroccan stripper called mindy.

 

That's right. Ugly and crude. Same goes for Shenker. Not innovative at all.

Doesn't the G73 shell deal with cooling quite well? I think it does. Some modifications and a SLI option could run well too. I mean, this is such a great vision: G74 coming with dual 560ms. You think anybody from Asus reading this forum?

 

Keep dreaming its not cost effective for Asus. Yes the G70S had two fans stuffed into one heatsink but it still hit 100oC easily. The G73 has very good cooling and the G74 looks like it will have even better.

 

I have no idea why Asus don`t offer 460/560M in SLI. Must be the price aspect because their cooling system is more than capable of handling the heat from the GPUs. I agree that Sager laptops is not very beautiful lol. But they are targeting the same people as Asus because they make cheap laptops as well. Only difference is that Sager offer high end GPUs and you can customize the laptops much more. Plus the other stuff I mentioned

 

It adds tons of driver complexity, decreases compatibility, and decreases performance.

I don't see how. Yeah, Dell and Clevo offer some higher end GPUs...twice as powerful in the case of Clevo...but they don't support official drivers. A big no-no in my book, and why I've ruled them out. (Well, Dell does support them apparently on the GTX 460...but it has Optimus, and Asus doesn't, so....)

Again...drivers. If Dell actually offers a GTX 485, with NO Optimus, and that supports Nvidia's drivers, that'll be cool. But they don't yet. And it'll be more expensive also.

Yes, which are great reasons to AVOID that Dell. That's a BAD thing that they do that, not a positive.

No. It costs more, because you're paying for the entire cost of the CPU, and it's just being added in aftermarket. Asus doesn't have customizable systems. The trade off is their prices tend to be better, and the configurations they do sell tend to be well thought out. Is a 2GHz Sandy Bridge quad + a GTX 460 the absolute cutting edge? No, but you can spend $1000 more on the CPU, and not get much of an upgrade (that'll be bypassed anyway in a year). The GPU...well, it's Nvidia's 3 from the best, roughly tied for being the fourth best mobile GPU out there. It's all close to the top, while costing a lot less.

If you must have absolute cutting edge, well you can spend more to get it. Personally I've thought these G series over the last several years (since I found out they existed) have been a smart selection of components.

So far as I'm aware, this is absolutely false. The screen Asus is using on the G73 has been consistently rated by Anandtech as one of if not the best notebook screens around. It's got the highest contrast ratio of anything they've tested, etc. Probably the only screens that would beat it are HP's IPS screens used on a handful of expensive models, and even those actually test out with lower contrast.

Both personal opinion.

Because SLI adds tremendously to cost (weight for that matter too), and only makes any sense if you're sticking the best available GPU in SLI.

It makes NO sense to do a 460 or 560 in SLI, as the 485 is literally 2x the hardware, and will always be a better, simpler choice than doing two 460s. Now on the ultra high end, two 485s could make sense...but Asus is not aiming at the ultra high end, and not pricing for the ultra high end.

Why does charging a similar price for "no better performance" seem unreasonable to you? It IS a better price, it IS a good component selection. The M17xR3 is a similar system, but tends to cost more, and uses switchable graphics, breaking driver compatibility, which is unacceptable IMO for power users. I have no idea how it's supposed to be a better deal, when it costs more, and has issues.

 

It would seem we have an undercover Asus employee hanging around

Wolfpup its admirable of you to stick up for Asus because I own a bloody G73JH and it caused me nothing but issues at the beginning and still I love it to bits and proclaim it is the best gaming laptop I have ever had even with every issue I have had I adore every bit about it from the design to the performance to the sticky god damn mouse!

I am not against Asus I am for Asus and that is the reason why like many people on here we are angry at what they produce.

But you have to admit that at some point Asus needs to look at the progress other companies are making and follow suit, gaming laptops are massively underpowered compared to desktops. Games are being released and it takes months before updates and drivers provide us with good stable frames per second, because of the mid range graphics cards which are practically low to mid range desktop cards and are out of date before they even produce their next model.

Companies such as Alienware and Sager have listened to the gamers views on this and gone right lets put something together which glows in the dark has a stupidly high resolution and enough Extreme power to make Desktop fan boys start to question their favorite phrase '' Laptops are not for gaming ''.

I would pay much more for Above HD resolution a 940XM and a 6970M over a new Sandy and a new mid range card because of its ability to extend the life of the laptop which is what we all want, and inevitably meaning I dont have to cough up the same amount of money a year after its released to get the next mid range setup.

 

So far as I know, the GPU issues were just with the Radeon 5870, and don't apply to the GTX 460 models...cooling seems to have been revised too (unless the GTX 460 runs cooler, but I'd assume they're very comparable).

Woudln't be considering it if it was still having issues the jh had! I haven't heard of anything widespread since than...someone correct me if I'm wrong about that, quickly, please!

I have no idea how that applies to those and not Asus. Asus' notebook support normal drivers-Dell and Clevo's do not (Clevo for any GPUs, Dell for the AMD ones). Dell even uses Optimus. I have no idea why you'd think that means they're "listening to gamers".

People who care about their GPU-frankly even just for desktop work, but for Blu Ray and games, care about officially supported driver updates.

 

who would pay 2500 euros for a laptop why not get a desktop instead, for half the price. i think that is the reason they dont add sli

 

Issues or not (which are now fixed) the JH still leaves the 460GTX behind which is laughable especially as Asus thought they could just reuse the same GPU with a better CPU and raise the price for it and then to make up for it in the SW release so no progress has been made in regards to performance they just took the easy option to prevent the problems that the JH had. Correct me if im wrong but the JW had its fair share of problems too, quickly, please!

Because gamers want power and performance drivers may have a massive affect on the gaming performance but what is the point in having fantastic drivers if your pathetic excuse for a GPU cannot even produce enough power to make them work for it.